Singular point imo when Josh started regressing

[Low Positive]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

That’s true. I think McD is in the top half of coaches at least personally. 

If this season goes south, I think that a change will be needed. It's not that McDermott is a bad coach but I think that the locker room needs a new voice.

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, FrenchConnection said:

If this season goes south, I think that a change will be needed. It's not that McDermott is a bad coach but I think that the locker room needs a new voice.

I think that’s reasonable too. But imo, Dorsey is the first on the block

[Motorin']

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

There were plenty of open guys. Honestly. Diggs wasn't actually open that much because as soon as he edged towards a defender's zone, that defender was on him. There were plays where Diggs was triple covered.

 

That isn't to say that the wide receiver were perfect by any means.... but the Bills had open receivers in the short and intermediate zones plenty on Monday. Josh just wasn't throwing to them.

 

The Jets D did a great job, but Diggs still had 10 catches. 

 

I also think a lot of the plays where it seemed like another receiver was wide open wasn't really. There was usually a Jets defender keyed on the underneath and intermediate receive and ready to trigger to make it a contested catch or immediate tackle as soon as the ball was grown. 

 

I do want to watch the All 22 and see how many truly open receivers he missed. Have you checked it out?  

[78thealltimegreat]

47 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

For the record, the RT for the Jags was the same one who is now in the news about cheating for the Chiefs.  And yes, he was doing it just as bad back then.

 

 

Gotta learn from the way Tua and the Fish took what the Chargers were giving them.  They were for some reason happy to give Tua his strength of throwing over the middle, until they panicked and started crashing the middle only to leave Hill open down the sidelines for easy TDs.

 

But as for our receivers being little mites who can't make contested catches?  Huh?  Diggs is no giant but he makes contested catches all the time.  Davis is a big boy who also makes them.  Then there's our tight ends, plenty of guys you must be confusing with our slot receivers.

Please show me the last contested catch that Gabe has made honestly I’m willing to overlook his bad hands if you can 

[Brand J]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

Just FYI - Knox and Kincaid were both timed between 4.65 and 4.7. Fine for a Tight End, but certainly not clear-out quickness.

 

 

I agree with you, but I think it is a bit of both.

Here is an example of what I was mentioning earlier.

 

 

See this mess of 3 defenders on the Orange and Green routes? This happened because:
 

1) The orange route didn't get vertical enough, quickly enough, which put no pressure on the safety to cover the endzone, resulting in the safety coming down and being able to be a third defender. 

 

2) If you look at Allen, he is about to get smacked by a Jets defender. So we have a situation where Allen has to get rid of the ball, but the clear out receiver has cleared nothing out. He actually did the opposite - he made it a mess, and this is what ensures. It's amazing this actually turned out okay.

By the time the ball gets to the receiver, there are 4 defenders there. If you don't make a team defend every part of the field, they won't. And that results in a densely populated field to operate your offense.

 

Knox ran a 4.59 at the combine and reportedly a 4.57 at Ole Miss pro day. Kincaid didn’t run due to injury but was asked what his time would’ve been if he had and he said “in the 4.5s.” He plays that fast too, neither TE is slow so I’m not sure where you’re getting those numbers.

And true about both being issues, spacing and timing.

[AuntieEm]

5 hours ago, BearNorth said:

Tua has Cheetah and Waddle

Hurts has AJ Brown, Devonta Smith and the best O Line in football

Mahomes has Kelce and a top 3 oline and the best offensive mind in football as a head coach.

We have Allen, Diggs [who does not scare defenses like Cheetah, Waddle, Brown, Bengals trio] and an O-line in the BOTTOM third of the league.

The biggest issue is the clownshow on ol.  Josh doesn't avoid hits so he has gotten his clock run enough that it is a  concern.  He doesn't look for the smart plays to begin with so when his judgement is muddled via a hit to the noggin or just the rush of his chaos then it leads to these 'wth' was that plays.  It's also lead to wow that was an amazing play as well that's why he keeps going to his bag of chaos. It's what got him all the accolades. He has to learn to play NFL quarterback and shelve the backyard football antics.  May miss a few of those wow plays but I'll trade those for more  methodical matriculation down the field.  There will still be the moments for him to create from chaos as football will always have some if those moments when you pit two talented teams against one another. He just has to take the boring and wait for the moments to do his deez Nutz plays.

[maddenboy]

52 minutes ago, Radar said:

Just as a reminder we've played one game. Monday night Josh was bad but can we give him a few more games please. 

as a reminder, Josh himself said basically "same shtt, different day."

 

seems JA17 is acknowledging, himself, that it was more than just a single, one-off, bad day.   He is saying the same shtt from last season is still not fixed.

 

And if there is something that was not fixed last season, and not yet fixed during an entire off-season, and it looked that bad during game 1, then you need to offer a little more reason why just giving him "a few more games please" is going to see everything get fixed.

 

[NewEra]

Ok ok.  Here’s the deal.  Halftime of the packer game is exactly when Josh’s QB play took a drastic turn for the worse.  Here’s why:  

 

I was sitting at Moondoggies with my normal crew plus my other buddy, who’s not a Bills fan.  I remember the conversation clearly.  My buddy turns and says to me “this is your year bro!  Josh is the best QB in the league!!”.  I had a nice euphoric buzz going on from his dazzling first half play and replied “If he keeps playing like this, he’ll be the best QB ever.   No QB has ever played THIS good.  No QB in history can do what he does on the field.  He’s pretty much unstoppable”.  He laughed at me and nodded his head in agreement……then Josh then became current Josh.  After we lost to the bengals in the playoffs, he says to me “you know you ruined his career during halftime of the packer game right?”  
 

mmmmhmmmm.  I remember too well.  
 

sorry all 😢 

 

 

 

 

[maddenboy]

it could just be that his ceiling is Brett favre.

 

Doesnt love the film study part.   Extreme and justified arm arrogance.   We will be in it every game. 

 

But its gonna be a rolller coaster.   Maybe we are waiting for somethign to smooth out, that is currently as smooth as it will ever be.

 

and its 10 million times better than the drought era.   We have a legit top NFL QB.   We have a legit shot every game.  But we, as fans, need to get used to it.

[GunnerBill]

28 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

The Jets D did a great job, but Diggs still had 10 catches. 

 

I also think a lot of the plays where it seemed like another receiver was wide open wasn't really. There was usually a Jets defender keyed on the underneath and intermediate receive and ready to trigger to make it a contested catch or immediate tackle as soon as the ball was grown. 

 

I do want to watch the All 22 and see how many truly open receivers he missed. Have you checked it out?  

 

Yea I put myself through it on Wednesday night.

[Cheektowaga Chad]

43 minutes ago, Billl said:

Things aren’t simplified under center at all. They put Josh in shotgun because it makes his reads easier.  He’s never been great at processing, so forcing him to backpedal, turn his back to play fake, etc. works against him.  

Simplify is probably the wrong wording 

 

He is playing like a million things are going on in his head all at once. "Simplify" it so that he thinks one thing at a time

 

Make it more structured, more organized, make it so Josh has a check list of things to accomplish in a certain order

[Big Blitz]

54 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Did you happen to see what the Browns D line did to the Bengals last week?

 

Yea.  But the Bengals were 0-2 last year and Burrow didn’t practice in August either.  
 

They have a track record of being bad and figuring it out.  Plus the Browns D might be elite.  
 

 

I did think this might be a year the defenses catch the offenses to some extent.  
 

Where elite Offenses have meh days vs good defenses.  Good offenses will have bad days for mid defenses.  
 

Great to Elite defenses might give every O problems regardless of QB.  We could be one of them.     

 

Staying ahead of the curve are teams that built olines and have RBs - Philly - who has the best GM in the league.  KC built a great Oline and try to be somewhat balanced on O.  Same the Bengals.   

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

7 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

If there's two words I could never hear ever again, it'd be "concerned" and "regression."

 

 

Then the MVP chants will start again when Josh puts on a clinic against the Raiders. I prefer to stay grounded. 

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, JayBaller10 said:

 I’m not sure where you’re getting those numbers.

Here is where I got them. Apologies if they are incorrect.

 

[Radar]

1 hour ago, maddenboy said:

as a reminder, Josh himself said basically "same shtt, different day."

 

seems JA17 is acknowledging, himself, that it was more than just a single, one-off, bad day.   He is saying the same shtt from last season is still not fixed.

 

And if there is something that was not fixed last season, and not yet fixed during an entire off-season, and it looked that bad during game 1, then you need to offer a little more reason why just giving him "a few more games please" is going to see everything get fixed.

 

Fair enough. How many games has he impacted largely to wins? How many games can we say he was major factor in our losses? Maybe my memories failing me but I think he's on whole a very positive effect. Monday night was I believe his worst game and did cost a win. I'm not ignoring his tendencies to turn the ball over. I'm also not ignoring that particularly in playoffs this can't happen. Still some on here seem to be almost writing him off. I'm not because if it wasn't for him our losses over the time he's been here would be much greater. With all that accolades given to our defense over past few years I've seen them look pretty average on many games we've won by our ability to outscore teams with Josh being a big part.

[34-78-83]

All the same posters saying the same things they say in every other of the 15 related threads about this. Gotta make their same take in each for some reason.

 

Regression is the wrong word for what Josh did in the Jets game or in certain games the past few years.

 

Adrenaline management issues seems more relevant and accurate to me.

 

And no, this is not on some coach to correct. It is on him and him alone, and he's corrected it before.

[3rdand12]

8 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

Need new coaches around him, not yes men who don't want to hurt Joshy's feelings.

 

Tua and Hurts are not as good but they are winning because they run the play as called. Very efficient. Mahomes has the most creative plays and his guys are typically wide open. It starts with good coaching and the discipline to efficiently run the play. When you are running around in chaos then it's not a surprise that the outcome is often chaos!

Last week we saw receivers nearly running into each other on routes.

Saw that last year as well.

 Seems there is some degree of miscommunication between plays called and perhaps adjustments called pre snap ?

 Otherwise , the players are sleeping and dont know the play call as designed ? Or the play call is just that bad , by design

 

 likely all the above in varying degrees

 Just hit the open guy right away.

Look left scan to the right. or vice versa and dont wait for something that might open

 Some body has to run the short hot route and make it work. beat the coverage or beat the man

Go Bills

7 hours ago, Westside said:

It’s only been one game!!! Good lord people love to over react. 

Last year carry over trauma lol

[3rdand12]

5 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Also starts with getting Josh some real help. Which is basically coaching and personnel. He needs a bigger stronger Oline he needs a real running back not this imposter we got in the backfield he also needs a real burner on the outside and more Wrs that can get Yac . Basically other then a few we got to change the whole offense. The players we must keep are Allen, Diggs, Kincaid and Torrence every one else pretty much can be replaced including Dawkins at LT. I’m not saying all this needs to be done in 1 off-season but definitely needs to get started soon. 

The running backs are a fine blend actually. Best we have had in years

 

lol at the bolded. Sorry Nate

[oldmanfan]

5 hours ago, Eastport bills said:

This is the mindless overreaction scenario to a really disappointing performance by a QB in the first game of the season. Congratulations, you uncovered the chronology of the breakdown of an All Pro QB, who went 13and 3 in a year where the team faced emotional challenges unlike any in the history of the league along with losing their best defensive player. Besides leading the league in TDs and winning the division the last 3 seasons, the guy is the unquestioned leader of the team. He deserves better than this foolishness served up by our unappreciative experts that try and cast doubt on a guy the turned this downtrodden franchise into winners. Maybe it was the risotto he ate after the Packers game that started his downward spiral. He did have a sour stomach for days after.

He sucked Monday night.  He’ll play much better going forward.  But teams are doing things now on D that he needs to adjust to.

[3rdand12]

4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

If I'm going full conspiracy theory, then I'm looking at the week BEFORE the Packers game. The Bye week.

 

Josh had a big Halloween party at his place Saturday night of the Bye.. Practically the entire team was there.

 

Something happened at that party that changed the course of the team.

it was Rodgers dosing everyone with his enlightenment tincture
pure freak out