LeviF Posted September 22, 2023 Posted September 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Sad but true. And my subie was built in Indiana. the buick is a rebadged Opel... Our Tahoe is American-built and assembled but outside of that there isn't much anymore. I traded in a '15 Impala that was assembled in America for that but walking around the lot in late 2021 was just depressing.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 22, 2023 Posted September 22, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, LeviF said: Our Tahoe is American-built and assembled but outside of that there isn't much anymore. I traded in a '15 Impala that was assembled in America for that but walking around the lot in late 2021 was just depressing. our turbo blew in the buick during the pandemic. Cars were outrageous. Put a rebuilt engine in a car with 120k but it was the right decision. took awhile to get all the parts tho. I did consider the subie BR tho. a fishing friend sells Subies. Couldn't find a single one in the country... pretty cool tho and good value. We'll see how the engine holds up... https://www.subaru.com/vehicles/brz/gallery.html Edited September 22, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever 1
Irv Posted September 22, 2023 Posted September 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: our turbo blew in the buick during the pandemic. Cars were outrageous. Put a rebuilt engine in a car with 120k but it was the right decision. took awhile to get all the parts tho. I did consider the subie BR tho. a fishing friend sells Subies. Couldn't find a single one in the country... pretty cool tho and good value. We'll see how the engine holds up... https://www.subaru.com/vehicles/brz/gallery.html You know what Subaru is? It's the poster car for some group you probably are chummy with. Ha. 1 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 22, 2023 Posted September 22, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Irv said: You know what Subaru is? It's the poster car for some group you probably are chummy with. Ha. ya know, i brought a load to the dump the other day and the guy said "nice truck". Best in snow. A friend with a dodge truck came with his wife t\o stay in a rare snow storm when his power went out. couldn't get up my hill. Subie just glued up it. But yeah. you're not the target market. And the evolution thing. Safest cars there are.... I'm OCD. had to check https://www.iihs.org/ratings/top-safety-picks/2023/all/subaru Edited September 22, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever
Capco Posted September 22, 2023 Posted September 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: https://fortune.com/2023/09/17/uaw-strike-highlights-carmaker-ceo-worker-pay-gaps-gm-ford-stellantis/#. Ridiculous exec comp. That said, these folks are expendable. E vehicles have many less parts. Automation is better and will continue to improve in every manufacturing industry. A stipend to live will be needed in the not so far future to stop people from starving. The upside is the noisy, dirty, hot conditions won't be around. Foreign labor may be cheaper for a bit longer.... Imo, this is the best post in the thread so far. Most other posts have primarily consisted of political talking points, but yours doesn't ignore some basic realities (namely trends in automation, pay inequity, and global labor markets). I will add separately that the general sentiment against unions disheartens me. Those same people casually use terms like "8-hour workday" and "40-hour workweek" and "worker safety" and "lunch breaks" and "paid time off" as if those concepts are simply a given and always have been, with no consideration for the sweat, toil, and blood that went into their genesis. I'm not sure if it's a lack of awareness or just a lack of appreciation, but so much of what we take for granted today was not done in the interest of increasing profits; it was not done because employers are altruistic; it was done because workers organized themselves into labor unions and bargained with employers to achieve the best possible deal, and much in the same way that businesses bargain with each other for the best deals. If employers were to somehow convince workers to pay employers for the privilege of working for them, they'd do that seemingly nonsensical thing tomorrow if they could, even if they knew better than not to and regardless of how negatively it might affect anyone. If industries could start dumping effluent into our waterways again, they would cease spending money on expensive pollution control systems and switch to this much cheaper alternative. If a choice increases profit, businesses will lean towards that choice and away from alternative choices, as that is literally their primary function. Get rid of organized labor... and then it will only be a matter of time until these things we value are eroded away in the interest of a higher profit margin and an increase in the stock price. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 22, 2023 Posted September 22, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Capco said: Imo, this is the best post in the thread so far. Most other posts have primarily consisted of political talking points, but yours doesn't ignore some basic realities (namely trends in automation, pay inequity, and global labor markets). I will add separately that the general sentiment against unions disheartens me. Those same people casually use terms like "8-hour workday" and "40-hour workweek" and "worker safety" and "lunch breaks" and "paid time off" as if those concepts are simply a given and always have been, with no consideration for the sweat, toil, and blood that went into their genesis. I'm not sure if it's a lack of awareness or just a lack of appreciation, but so much of what we take for granted today was not done in the interest of increasing profits; it was not done because employers are altruistic; it was done because workers organized themselves into labor unions and bargained with employers to achieve the best possible deal, and much in the same way that businesses bargain with each other for the best deals. If employers were to somehow convince workers to pay employers for the privilege of working for them, they'd do that seemingly nonsensical thing tomorrow if they could, even if they knew better than not to and regardless of how negatively it might affect anyone. If industries could start dumping effluent into our waterways again, they would cease spending money on expensive pollution control systems and switch to this much cheaper alternative. If a choice increases profit, businesses will lean towards that choice and away from alternative choices, as that is literally their primary function. Get rid of organized labor... and then it will only be a matter of time until these things we value are eroded away in the interest of a higher profit margin and an increase in the stock price. Best post I've seen in a long time from anyone in the forum Nice job.. Thanks. Edited September 22, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever 1
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 22, 2023 Posted September 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Capco said: Imo, this is the best post in the thread so far. Most other posts have primarily consisted of political talking points, but yours doesn't ignore some basic realities (namely trends in automation, pay inequity, and global labor markets). I will add separately that the general sentiment against unions disheartens me. Those same people casually use terms like "8-hour workday" and "40-hour workweek" and "worker safety" and "lunch breaks" and "paid time off" as if those concepts are simply a given and always have been, with no consideration for the sweat, toil, and blood that went into their genesis. I'm not sure if it's a lack of awareness or just a lack of appreciation, but so much of what we take for granted today was not done in the interest of increasing profits; it was not done because employers are altruistic; it was done because workers organized themselves into labor unions and bargained with employers to achieve the best possible deal, and much in the same way that businesses bargain with each other for the best deals. If employers were to somehow convince workers to pay employers for the privilege of working for them, they'd do that seemingly nonsensical thing tomorrow if they could, even if they knew better than not to and regardless of how negatively it might affect anyone. If industries could start dumping effluent into our waterways again, they would cease spending money on expensive pollution control systems and switch to this much cheaper alternative. If a choice increases profit, businesses will lean towards that choice and away from alternative choices, as that is literally their primary function. Get rid of organized labor... and then it will only be a matter of time until these things we value are eroded away in the interest of a higher profit margin and an increase in the stock price. So I presume you walk this walk of gratitude, and only buy union produced products no matter the additional cost or reduced value proposition, right? 1
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 22, 2023 Posted September 22, 2023 On 9/20/2023 at 9:23 AM, Precision said: Yeah, the US auto manufacturers have been killing it, or rather themselves. I'm sure a higher paid, less productive workforce will only help them. In addition to my car I've always had a Ford F-150. My current model (2018) is the worst of the four I've owned dating back to the early 90's. Consumer Reports ranking for the most reliable cars of 2023 are in. Here are the winners. What are the most reliable automotive brands? 1. Toyota 2. Lexus 3. BMW 4. Mazda 5. Honda 6. Audi 7. Subaru 8. Acura 9. Kia 10. Lincoln 11. Buick 12. Genesis 13. Hyundai 14. Volvo 15. Nissan 16. Ram 17. Cadillac 18. Ford 19. Tesla 20. Chevrolet 21. GMC 22. Volkswagen 23. Jeep 24. Mercedes-Benz and I’m willing to bet the majority of the uaw cheering squad owns 0 vehicles produced by the uaw. I have seen very clearly that the threat of unionization in the auto industry is a lot better for car companies and employees than actual unionization is, at least in the past couple decades anyway. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 22, 2023 Posted September 22, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: and I’m willing to bet the majority of the uaw cheering squad owns 0 vehicles produced by the uaw. I have seen very clearly that the threat of unionization in the auto industry is a lot better for car companies and employees than actual unionization is, at least in the past couple decades anyway. Buick! pick me , pick me! Edited September 22, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 22, 2023 Posted September 22, 2023 4 hours ago, LeviF said: Our Tahoe is American-built and assembled but outside of that there isn't much anymore. I traded in a '15 Impala that was assembled in America for that but walking around the lot in late 2021 was just depressing. Growing up all I wanted was a ford thunderbird. after a college internship I stashed the money to buy a 92 or 94 , low miles good conduction, dealership purchase at market value. A couple years old. During 4 years of owning this car… cracked engine block, blown head gaskets, alternator, electric seat, oil leaks, water pump, struts, tie rods, headlights, taillights, oxygen sensor, timing belt, heater core all failed. I vowed I’d never buy an American car again. a Honda, 2 Acuras, and 4 bmws later, I’ve yet to have a quarter of the issues all together that that one car had. 5 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Buick! pick me , pick me! Your car was made Austria
LeviF Posted September 23, 2023 Posted September 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Growing up all I wanted was a ford thunderbird. after a college internship I stashed the money to buy a 92 or 94 , low miles good conduction, dealership purchase at market value. A couple years old. During 4 years of owning this car… cracked engine block, blown head gaskets, alternator, electric seat, oil leaks, water pump, struts, tie rods, headlights, taillights, oxygen sensor, timing belt, heater core all failed. I vowed I’d never buy an American car again. a Honda, 2 Acuras, and 4 bmws later, I’ve yet to have a quarter of the issues all together that that one car had. Your car was made Austria My cars have all been American or American-adjacent and all been good to me. Now I drive a Hyundai because my wife brought it into the marriage and the Tahoe was really for her 😂 2007 Mazda Speed3 (American-adjacent due to Ford partnership) (totaled out after getting rear ended in 2018 at ~200k miles) 1999 Chevy S-10 longbed (rusted out frame in 2016, good night sweet prince) 2015 Impala (bought CPO in 2018 with 40k miles for $15k out the door, got $14k on trade for it in 2021 with 100k miles on it haha) 2022 Tahoe None ever gave me any problems. I did my research though, lot of “American” clunkers out there. 1
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 23, 2023 Posted September 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, LeviF said: My cars have all been American or American-adjacent and all been good to me. Now I drive a Hyundai because my wife brought it into the marriage and the Tahoe was really for her 😂 2007 Mazda Speed3 (American-adjacent due to Ford partnership) (totaled out after getting rear ended in 2018 at ~200k miles) 1999 Chevy S-10 longbed (rusted out frame in 2016, good night sweet prince) 2015 Impala (bought CPO in 2018 with 40k miles for $15k out the door, got $14k on trade for it in 2021 with 100k miles on it haha) 2022 Tahoe None ever gave me any problems. I did my research though, lot of “American” clunkers out there. that 200k Mazda number is heart warming… 22 Tahoe - very nice.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 23, 2023 Posted September 23, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, LeviF said: My cars have all been American or American-adjacent and all been good to me. Now I drive a Hyundai because my wife brought it into the marriage and the Tahoe was really for her 😂 2007 Mazda Speed3 (American-adjacent due to Ford partnership) (totaled out after getting rear ended in 2018 at ~200k miles) 1999 Chevy S-10 longbed (rusted out frame in 2016, good night sweet prince) 2015 Impala (bought CPO in 2018 with 40k miles for $15k out the door, got $14k on trade for it in 2021 with 100k miles on it haha) 2022 Tahoe None ever gave me any problems. I did my research though, lot of “American” clunkers out there. I had a Genesis sedan. Looked like a merc. One of my favorites. So comfortable. My wife said it was an old man car. Someone got a good deal 36 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: our car was made Austria No. Maybe Australia. I’ll need to look Edited September 23, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 23, 2023 Posted September 23, 2023 18 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: I had a Genesis sedan. Looked like a merc. One of my favorites. So comfortable. My wife said it was an old man car. Someone got a good deal No. Maybe Australia. I’ll need to look Opel gmbH… Österriech build the Buick badged cars. You effectively paid the gm execs while ***** the uaw. 🤔 Well done …, slow clap Uneducated consumers that don’t practice what they preach are the worst, arent they? 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 23, 2023 Posted September 23, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Opel gmbH… Österriech build the Buick badged cars. You effectively paid the gm execs while ***** the uaw. 🤔 Well done …, slow clap Uneducated consumers that don’t practice what they preach are the worst, arent they? Both wrong. Germany is now a dependable ally. Try finding a stick American car. I won't have a jeep. Camaros are too torque heavy. Vettes are rarely seen with a stick. So stick it... The Buick Regal is a luxury sedan born and built in Germany, and it acts like one. Sportier than the other Buicks, the midsize Regal is smaller than the full-size LaCrosse, larger than the compact Verano.Feb 24, 2012 2012 Buick Regal Review - NewCarTestDrive this must be your "Austria" connection https://www.carscoops.com/2019/12/buick-regals-demise-tipped-to-kill-australias-holden-commodore/ Edited September 23, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever
LeviF Posted September 23, 2023 Posted September 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Both wrong. Germany is now a dependable ally. Try finding a stick American car. I won't have a jeep. Camaros are too torque heavy. Vettes are rarely seen with a stick. So stick it... The Buick Regal is a luxury sedan born and built in Germany, and it acts like one. Sportier than the other Buicks, the midsize Regal is smaller than the full-size LaCrosse, larger than the compact Verano.Feb 24, 2012 2012 Buick Regal Review - NewCarTestDrive I almost bought a CPO Regal Turbo instead of the Impala. But the Impala was a deal I couldn’t pass up. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 23, 2023 Posted September 23, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, LeviF said: I almost bought a CPO Regal Turbo instead of the Impala. But the Impala was a deal I couldn’t pass up. Never drove a new Impala. My dad had one in the 80's. It was a boat. New ones look cool. European origin? Detroit! All you'd ever want to know... https://www.motortrend.com/vehicle-genres/chevrolet-impala-history-generations-specifications/ Edited September 23, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 23, 2023 Posted September 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Both wrong. Germany is now a dependable ally. Try finding a stick American car. I won't have a jeep. Camaros are too torque heavy. Vettes are rarely seen with a stick. So stick it... The Buick Regal is a luxury sedan born and built in Germany, and it acts like one. Sportier than the other Buicks, the midsize Regal is smaller than the full-size LaCrosse, larger than the compact Verano.Feb 24, 2012 2012 Buick Regal Review - NewCarTestDrive this must be your "Austria" connection https://www.carscoops.com/2019/12/buick-regals-demise-tipped-to-kill-australias-holden-commodore/ no Opel was building a bunch of cars though subcontracted assembly lines with magna styr in Austria- particularly Buick badge opels. but ok the regal. Or Opel insignia. So which UAW plant did you support by purchasing this car? My new dream car I will always be too cheap to buy is the M8. 1
LeviF Posted September 23, 2023 Posted September 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Never drove a new Impala. My dad had one in the 80's. It was a boat. New ones look cool. European origin? I believe it shares a platform (extended) with some of the early 2000s Saabs. But overall designed in Michigan. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 23, 2023 Posted September 23, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: no Opel was building a bunch of cars though subcontracted assembly lines with magna styr in Austria- particularly Buick badge opels. but ok the regal. Or Opel insignia. So which UAW plant did you support by purchasing this car? It's a good car. My wife made the deal. They had it on the sales floor. 2012 model mid 2013. NOBODY wanted a stick. We did. They just kept calling with a better price. Traded the Genesis. Compete or lose. Edited September 23, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever
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