Stop blaming Josh Allen

[Ray Stonada]

9 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

But all I see is constant carping about a guy whose BODY OF WORK is fantastic placing him as the 2nd best QB to ever wear a Bills uniform.  And the best QB to wear a Bills uniform, one Jim Kelly, had games every bit as bad as Allen did Monday night during the SB years.

 

I think it’s because it’s genuinely confusing. The kinds of mistakes Josh makes when he’s in that fog are such total blunders—dropping the snap, then picking it up and immediately running into the line, fumbling it again—almost moronic looking.
 

Allen has more ability, running and passing, but Kelly never had a fumble like that. It’s hard to understand from a guy who is the most talented and confident QB we ever had, but who also descends to a nearly Petermanesque level every so often.

 

[PatsFanNH]

9 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Fine.  But there is also keeping things in perspective.  The shrill and hysteric response by much of the national media and a lot of Bills fans goes way beyond the simple observation that Allen played poorly and we lost the game as a result.

 

 

Umm he has to expect the reaction when the team beats you with their backup QB coming in after 4 snaps from their starter.. especially when the backup is Zak Wilson. C

[4merper4mer]

10 hours ago, Chaos said:

Game had five awful plays in regulation:
 

1. Int by allen
2. Int by allen
3. fumble by allen
4. 83 yard defensive collapse
5. Bad decision to decline a penalty and concede 3 points to to the Jets

There was also another interception by allen that had the same consequencence as if he had thrown it way, and then we punted.  Didn't really alter the game. 

Despite these five awful plays the team played well enough to tie the game in regulation.  
In a fact based world, Allens regulation performance resulted in a tie.  To reiterate, at the end of regulation the game was tied. This cannot be disputed.  All of the turnovers and other bad plays did not lead to a win.  It also did not lead to a loss. 

The overtime was a complete shitshow, the team choked massively and the team lost the game collectively. 

 

You left out that overtime is only necessary when the game is tied. The team played “well enough” in regulation is really twisted logic.  Any team could have played well enough to get that game into overtime.  That includes the Sabres, Mets and Knicks.  The Jets should have been done after sixty minutes if Allen played terribly.  He didn’t.  He was worse.  
 

Nice list of 5 plays.  You left out a billion where Allen threw to the wrong receiver, threw it five yards off the spot to the RB causing good plays to be meh.  Hesitated on a QB draw costing him about 20 yards.  I’m surprised you just didn’t try to pin the whole game on Milano for his stupid taunting play.

 

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

You left out that overtime is only necessary when the game is tied. The team played “well enough” in regulation is really twisted logic.  Any team could have played well enough to get that game into overtime.  That includes the Sabres, Mets and Knicks.  The Jets should have been done after sixty minutes if Allen played terribly.  He didn’t.  He was worse.  
 

Nice list of 5 plays.  You left out a billion where Allen threw to the wrong receiver, threw it five yards off the spot to the RB causing good plays to be meh.  Hesitated on a QB draw costing him about 20 yards.  I’m surprised you just didn’t try to pin the whole game on Milano for his stupid taunting play.

 

 

And I don't even think he is right on the penalty decision. 

[4merper4mer]

16 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And I don't even think he is right on the penalty decision. 

Well he had to add some non-Allen based straw man.  He should have gone with “McDermott forgot his glasses”.

[Don Otreply]

11 hours ago, Bills Bud said:

Fans, players and his own coaches bashing him is not a good look. You are going to drive him out of town. He is the best QB we ever had imo, definitely since Jim Kelly. I blame the coaches, we need an offensive minded head coach. Imagine if Kyle Shannan had Josh Allen, we need a guy like that. That’s the only way we will finally get that Super Bowl, defense doesn’t win championships anymore. McDermott has to go!

Good morning Mrs Allen, how’s your boy doing? 

[Little Dog]

Stop blaming the OC and coaches, it was Allen who gave up the ball 4 times. It’s ok to blame Allen for this loss and not lose  perspective of how good Allen is. 

[Mr. WEO]

Drive him out of town?  

 

Where do fans appreciate sloppy QB play?  Cleveland is tied up with Watson for years...

[CincyBillsFan]

2 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Umm he has to expect the reaction when the team beats you with their backup QB coming in after 4 snaps from their starter.. especially when the backup is Zak Wilson. C

I'm sure Allen is oblivious to the reaction as he should be.  My point is that the reaction is EXTREME and OVER THE TOP.  Obviously after a game like that fans will be pissed and they should be.  But just look at all the "Allen sucks" threads on 2BD and the vitriol being poured out in post after post after post for ONE bad performance in the season opener.  Frankly, it's psychotic.

 

 

58 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Drive him out of town?  

 

Where do fans appreciate sloppy QB play?  Cleveland is tied up with Watson for years...

No one is asking fans to appreciate Allen's sloppy play on Monday night.  But what we're seeing here goes way beyond a lack of appreciation.

 

 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

Josh could play like he did last week for two straight years and I’d still have more faith in him than McDermott 

[Solomon Grundy]

11 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Allen deserves plenty of blame for that Jets game. He was awful. So, I disagree with you here.

 

Allen and the Bills offense needs better coaching. An offensive coach is badly needed. So, I agree with your here 

Is Joe Burrows QB whisperer still employed by the Bills? 

[The Jokeman]

Just now, Solomon Grundy said:

Is Joe Burrows QB whisperer still employed by the Bills? 

He's still listed as a coach https://www.buffalobills.com/team/coaches-roster/mike-shula

[zow2]

Allen gets nervous when the game is close.  He thinks they should score a TD on most drives.  Look what he did vs. KC in the 13 seconds game.  As one broadcaster said yesterday, Allen gets drunk over his ability to make the big play, he just can't stand down and take what the other team gives him.  And lets face it, a couple times almost overcome the INTs (vs Jets and Minnesota last season)...he fumbles the snap and pretty much loses the game that way.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Solomon Grundy said:

Is Joe Burrows QB whisperer still employed by the Bills? 

 

Joe Brady is QB coach, yep.

13 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I'm sure Allen is oblivious to the reaction as he should be.  My point is that the reaction is EXTREME and OVER THE TOP.  Obviously after a game like that fans will be pissed and they should be.  But just look at all the "Allen sucks" threads on 2BD and the vitriol being poured out in post after post after post for ONE bad performance in the season opener.  Frankly, it's psychotic.

 

 

No one is asking fans to appreciate Allen's sloppy play on Monday night.  But what we're seeing here goes way beyond a lack of appreciation.

 

 

 

I haven't seen one of those. 

[Solomon Grundy]

3 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

He's still listed as a coach https://www.buffalobills.com/team/coaches-roster/mike-shula

I was referring to Joe Brady. @GunnerBillconfirmed he's still employed by Bills

[The Jokeman]

2 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I was referring to Joe Brady. @GunnerBillconfirmed he's still employed by Bills

and I mixed up my Shulas lol 

[SCBills]

11 hours ago, WNY said:

Offense wins games and the Bills have a complete team to do so. I’m just starting to believe that the narrative of an offensive coach could be the answer, and I’m a big fan/believer in McD. 

I think it’s two-fold, until proven otherwise..

 

1) Josh is at a disadvantage year to year due to the lack of offensive stability that other top QB’s have. 
 

11 personnel under Daboll. 
 

Pass catching RB obsession in Year 1 of Dorsey. 
 

12 personnel in Year 2 of Dorsey. 
 

What happens if Dorsey has a great year and becomes a HC?   What happens if he gets let go?   Does Josh just have to morph into the offense of whoever our next OC is again… on top of everything else that goes with developing that Coach/Player relationship?

 

2) The defensive philosophy permeates the organization.  Not until this year have we truly had an off-season where there was a good faith effort to really improve Josh’s side of the ball.   
 

And it shows when our WR2 doesn’t seem to be more than a WR3 and our RT is on hope and pray watch every week.  
 

Could’ve had Creed Humphrey.   Drafted an EDGE no longer on the team.  Could’ve had Dawand Jones.  Drafted a LB buried on the depth chart.   Could’ve had money for Hopkins.  Spent it on guys like Poyer, Matakevich and Floyd. (I do really like Floyd)

[mjd1001]

That is the way things go, when the star high priced QB plays poorly, he gets blamed.

 

Stop blaming him or you will drive him out of town? LOL, there are some pretty crazy things on this board, but telling fans not to blame him so he won't leave...talk about coddling an athlete.

[newcam2012]

17 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Is Joe Burrows QB whisperer still employed by the Bills? 

Burrow > Allen

[newcam2012]

8 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I think it’s two-fold, until proven otherwise..

 

1) Josh is at a disadvantage year to year due to the lack of offensive stability that other top QB’s have. 
 

11 personnel under Daboll. 
 

Pass catching RB obsession in Year 1 of Dorsey. 
 

12 personnel in Year 2 of Dorsey. 
 

What happens if Dorsey has a great year and becomes a HC?   What happens if he gets let go?   Does Josh just have to morph into the offense of whoever our next OC is again… on top of everything else that goes with developing that Coach/Player relationship?

 

2) The defensive philosophy permeates the organization.  Not until this year have we truly had an off-season where there was a good faith effort to really improve Josh’s side of the ball.   
 

And it shows when our WR2 doesn’t seem to be more than a WR3 and our RT is on hope and pray watch every week.  
 

Could’ve had Creed Humphrey.   Drafted an EDGE no longer on the team.  Could’ve had Dawand Jones.  Drafted a LB buried on the depth chart.   Could’ve had money for Hopkins.  Spent it on guys like Poyer, Matakevich and Floyd. (I do really like Floyd)

Buffalo has certainly turned the corner as a winning franchise. That falls squarely on Beane and McD. They built a winning culture from the ground hope. Six straight playoff appearances is quite a feat. 

 

However, the team can't seem to get to the next step. Hopefully,they will. The lack of playoff progression and SB appearances fall directly on Beane and McD. Not going to list all the evidence. There's plenty of it. 

 

The real debate or question is do you think it's time to move on from one or both or stay the course?  No easy decision there.