How To Fix The Bills Permanent Revenue Competitive Disadvantage. How To Make More Muneeeee.

[DJB]

You had me sold when I read “orgies” 

[clearwater cadet]

Oh no, the last time and only times I heard the words competitive disadvantage were from Ralph when he wanted to screw the county for another lease.

[SoCal Deek]

Wait…what? The answer is build a train? I liked Kramer’s idea of a rubber ball filled with oil much, much better. 

[Dick_Cheney]

3 hours ago, Lost said:

I am kinda amazed how we don't have a functional high speed rail system in the US yet.   I wouldn't mind hopping on a train from PA to WNY for weekend Bills games.  

The auto and airline industries would never allow it. Something would have to be done about their lobbying. But you're right, even a modest improvement to the current rail system in the United States would be a massive improvement for both the economy and quality of life of everyone using it.

 

If you want to get really heated about it, dive deeper into the plans and infrastructure that have been canceled over the last couple decades. Oh what could have been...

[strive_for_five_guy]

29 minutes ago, DJB said:

You had me sold when I read “orgies” 

Damn, you beat me to it 😂😂😂

[Lost]

15 minutes ago, Dick_Cheney said:

The auto and airline industries would never allow it. Something would have to be done about their lobbying. But you're right, even a modest improvement to the current rail system in the United States would be a massive improvement for both the economy and quality of life of everyone using it.

 

If you want to get really heated about it, dive deeper into the plans and infrastructure that have been canceled over the last couple decades. Oh what could have been...

 

I don't doubt it.  I mean the electric vehicle has existed for over 100 years yet it wasn't until the last decade or so that one company went against the auto/oil industry and made it go mainstream.  Now that it's catching on and profitable, they all want to pile on.   On top of that, our government is incapable of passing a stand alone infrastructure bill.  The parties always have to try and cram in controversial partisan gobbledygook.  I say this as a conservative who hates government spending but if we're going to spend, let it go towards something tangible that benefits everybody(and creates some jobs).

[Mr. WEO]

5 hours ago, Casual fan said:

Hi,

Here's an idea I'm showing you guys for the hell of it.

 

First, the problem: There is a salary cap that helps grant some parity across teams & the Bills usually spend close to the limit because we have a good owner.

 

But the big market teams annihilate us in overall revenue because they have more big businesses and more millionaires & it's easy, so they do, always.

 

Then they have much more money for facilities and coaches & nudge nudge wink wink side deals with players & the players have better off field opportunities for sponsorships etc.

 

So we are forced to rely on pluck, luck, and the justness of our cause (for our hearts are pure) to get around that very big disadvantage.

 

We are truly plucky fans, but you have to be insane to rely on luck when you're a Bills fan, and I'm not sure our hearts are very pure (based on mine and my friends plus the observed behavior of the rest of us in the stands)

 

Here's an idea how not to be screwed: Make more money from our stadium. Lots more, and kick the big cities asses at making money.

 

Sure I'm just a WNY bumpkin. I know how to use a wrench, saw, and screwdriver. And my idea of a great time is to hang around in the parking lots before games eating hot dogs. But deep inside I can be just as greedy as any big city silk underwear wearin' fancy boy.

 

We need to pull in money from other cities & we have to keep the stadium complex making money year round.  Much more than 10 days out of 365.

We'll have a beautiful place with parking, restrooms, restaurants, & crazy multimedia available for virtually any number of people just sitting there doing nothing unless we do.

 

How? First is make it quick and easy to get there from far by using the railroad.

The Bills are almost never lucky. We're famous for not being lucky. But we got lucky this time.

 

See the picture. The railroad goes right by the stadium. How lucky can you get? (Red White & Blue slanted is the main line. I added the smaller vertical spur line & arrow just as a possible path)

 

I'm saying the Bills do whatever they have to do to build a spur line from that track into the stadium complex.

 

 

 

But not for us bumpkins really.

 

Toronto is a World Financial Capitol. The amount of money there is gigantic. Much more than you would suspect unless you look into it.

 

The idea here is the rich people and companies with big money clients whisk the wealthy to Bills game in *private luxury rail cars*.

 

No traffic, no stops, just care free pampered luxury the whole efficient trip there and back.

 

If you've not been in a near empty Amtrack style rail car you won't have experienced what that is like. It's big in there.

You can do anything. Bathroom any time you like, walk around, very roomy and it's much like you are standing still.

They could even be having orgies in there on the way to games if they wanted to.

There is no comparison to a bus, RV or limo.

It will be vastly better and much more prestigious.

Public displays of prestige are worth money & the Bills could charge unreal money for that.

Billionaires could have their own cars, gold with ornate trim. Maybe even giving lifts to & arriving with movie stars.

 

There would be big, big money from that and no other team anywhere could equal that for an ultimate luxury experience.

 

And the regular Toronto millionaires could ride in nice rail cars too. But they would have to share.

Arriving and departing from the exclusive station for which the Bills could charge a bloody fortune.

 

Niagara falls gets 13 Million tourists a year.

 

We run trains from there to the stadium complex and have off-season attractions.

An NFL experience. Exhibits like a Future World of Technology where people could go see SpaceX rockets and whatever cool stuff we could get.

The point is we think of something and then tap that Niagara Falls tourist money until it becomes a river.

 

Recap: We capitalize on our good fortune and use the rail to make it simple and easy to get there. No planning no directions no traffic no worries you just get on the train.

Do that to get Toronto and Niagara Falls money coming in.

 

So there you go. I think  it would work. Hope it seems like a reasonable thing to you too.

 

 

 

 

 

A few Toronto millionaires arriving in "luxury rail cars". somehow brings in tons more money for Billionaire Pegula?

 

 

lol, this is awesome.

 

4 hours ago, Lost said:

I am kinda amazed how we don't have a functional high speed rail system in the US yet.   I wouldn't mind hopping on a train from PA to WNY for weekend Bills games.  

 

Because it's insanely expensive and only the Northeast corridor would have any chance to make money---and could never cover its costs. You need a string of large cities all within 2 hundred miles or less from each other to be linked by such a rail system (Washington to Boston--Northeast corridor for Amtrak). 

 

Flying is faster, sometimes cheaper, over vast distances.  Who wants to take a train, even a fast one, across country or from NY to Fla for instance?

 

 

 

[billsfanmiamioh]

3 hours ago, Limeaid said:

Amtrak used to run game day specials from Albany to Buffalo (with stops at Syracuse, Rochester, etc) for the Bills games.

There were shuttle buses to game.

They were not to every game however.

I am not sure why they stopped.

 

This is not the type of "luxury" fans OP was trying to attract however.

Key words used to. Railroads are very different today than they were even 10 years ago. Consolidation of class 1s has led to shareholder profits being the driving force of all decision making (the increase in train accidents due to slashing maintenance of way budgets is not coincidental)

[AuntieEm]

6 hours ago, Limeaid said:

If Bills did that what would stop other teams from replicating it? 

 

Biggest Bills disadvantage is front office whose marketing department sells tickets in bulk to ticket agencies and travel agencies who mark them up and sell them in packages to opposing fans.  I have been contacted by them in past because I am on a NFL mailing list.

The other stadiums would need to have a close connection to a main railroad line to have a offshoot to their stadium built.  I'd expect it would depend on the cost and feasibility of building a connection to/from stadium.    

[beerme1]

Just a question about the orgies. Is that only one way? Or could you buy a one way ticket to Toronto and then have to have to find your own way back?

[frostbitmic]

$20 beers will have this team rolling in $$$

[Casual fan]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

A few Toronto millionaires arriving in "luxury rail cars". somehow brings in tons more money for Billionaire Pegula?

 

 

lol, this is awesome.

 

 

 

 

May I ask you a question please?

 

In your personal real-life, do friends or family come to you and say "We're kicking aorund the pros and cons of some ideas but we feel the discussion would benefit if you'd come please and make one of your obnoxious & clueless contributions"?

 

Or at work does the boss come to you and say "Mr. WEO the board is considering some important matters and we all agree we'd feel more confident if we were able to make our decision after hearing one of your off point *****tarded remarks"?

 

Just wondering where you got the idea that was the thing to do here.

 

And thank you for your contribution.

 

 

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, Casual fan said:

May I ask you a question please?

 

In your personal real-life, do friends or family come to you and say "We're kicking aorund the pros and cons of some ideas but we feel the discussion would benefit if you'd come please and make one of your obnoxious & clueless contributions"?

 

Or at work does the boss come to you and say "Mr. WEO the board is considering some important matters and we all agree we'd feel more confident if we were able to make our decision after hearing one of your off point *****tarded remarks"?

 

Just wondering where you got the idea that was the thing to do here.

 

And thank you for your contribution.

 

 

 

 

 

I mean, I said it was awesome...

[Utah John]

8 hours ago, billsfanmiamioh said:

Not trying to be Debbie downer but the only thing even remotely feasible in your idea would be extending a spur line and even that would be a stretch. I believe that line nearby is owned by the Buffalo & Pittsburgh, a short line railroad that wouldn’t have anywhere near the capacity to service a passenger route. Hell even the class 1 railroads have been in total “bare bones” mode in the Engineering department for close to a decade.
 

I could go on for hours about why high speed passenger rail service doesn’t work in this country (on a large scale) but the short answer is that it’s simply too costly to build and maintain for the returns. Amtrak only has like 1 profitable segment in their entire network and they don’t own (and therefore have to perform $$$ maintenance) on probably 98% of the track they operate over. Look at what happened to Californias great big high speed rail idea for a real world example of why it won’t work. 

Amtrak has lines but hardly uses them.  I live in Memphis, and it would be great to take a train south to New Orleans or north to Chicago for a weekend or other vacation.  Amtrak has one train per day in each direction, and the departure and arrival times are terribly inconvenient for most of the stations en route.  What's needed are trains every couple of hours, so passengers can have the flexibility to travel at their convenience instead of Amtrak's limited vision.  Make the trains shorter if the number of passengers is lower, but this is how Amtrak could rebuild passenger service across America, reducing carbon emissions and helping passengers avoid airline schedule cancellations and delays, and airport crowds.  Train travel is soooo much nicer than airplane travel.  

[chongli]

10 hours ago, Casual fan said:

Hi,

 

Hi!

 

[You said "hi". I've never seen anyone do that here! Awesome! And welcome to the board.]

Edited September 15, 2023 by chongli

[34-78-83]

 

[QLBillsFan]

Super innovative idea!!

 

But, In the NFL parity rules. It’s so much more balanced in terms of every team having a fair chance. Green Bay, Buffalo, and Jacksonville(finally) can compete. Pegs is in the top 10 of wealth among the owners. He bought the Bills for slightly over 1B and it’s now worth 4 x that. He’s getting a new stadium. If the Bills continue to be smart they can compete with any team. Jerry hasn’t won a SB in 30 years. 

[Einstein]

Love the train idea. I’ll leave feasibility to others.

 

Seattle relies on train transportation for their stadium. 

 

[JoPoy88]

13 hours ago, Casual fan said:

Hi,

Here's an idea I'm showing you guys for the hell of it.

 

First, the problem: There is a salary cap that helps grant some parity across teams & the Bills usually spend close to the limit because we have a good owner.

 

But the big market teams annihilate us in overall revenue because they have more big businesses and more millionaires & it's easy, so they do, always.

 

Then they have much more money for facilities and coaches & nudge nudge wink wink side deals with players & the players have better off field opportunities for sponsorships etc.

 

So we are forced to rely on pluck, luck, and the justness of our cause (for our hearts are pure) to get around that very big disadvantage.

 

We are truly plucky fans, but you have to be insane to rely on luck when you're a Bills fan, and I'm not sure our hearts are very pure (based on mine and my friends plus the observed behavior of the rest of us in the stands)

 

Here's an idea how not to be screwed: Make more money from our stadium. Lots more, and kick the big cities asses at making money.

 

Sure I'm just a WNY bumpkin. I know how to use a wrench, saw, and screwdriver. And my idea of a great time is to hang around in the parking lots before games eating hot dogs. But deep inside I can be just as greedy as any big city silk underwear wearin' fancy boy.

 

We need to pull in money from other cities & we have to keep the stadium complex making money year round.  Much more than 10 days out of 365.

We'll have a beautiful place with parking, restrooms, restaurants, & crazy multimedia available for virtually any number of people just sitting there doing nothing unless we do.

 

How? First is make it quick and easy to get there from far by using the railroad.

The Bills are almost never lucky. We're famous for not being lucky. But we got lucky this time.

 

See the picture. The railroad goes right by the stadium. How lucky can you get? (Red White & Blue slanted is the main line. I added the smaller vertical spur line & arrow just as a possible path)

 

I'm saying the Bills do whatever they have to do to build a spur line from that track into the stadium complex.

 

 

 

But not for us bumpkins really.

 

Toronto is a World Financial Capitol. The amount of money there is gigantic. Much more than you would suspect unless you look into it.

 

The idea here is the rich people and companies with big money clients whisk the wealthy to Bills game in *private luxury rail cars*.

 

No traffic, no stops, just care free pampered luxury the whole efficient trip there and back.

 

If you've not been in a near empty Amtrack style rail car you won't have experienced what that is like. It's big in there.

You can do anything. Bathroom any time you like, walk around, very roomy and it's much like you are standing still.

They could even be having orgies in there on the way to games if they wanted to.

There is no comparison to a bus, RV or limo.

It will be vastly better and much more prestigious.

Public displays of prestige are worth money & the Bills could charge unreal money for that.

Billionaires could have their own cars, gold with ornate trim. Maybe even giving lifts to & arriving with movie stars.

 

There would be big, big money from that and no other team anywhere could equal that for an ultimate luxury experience.

 

And the regular Toronto millionaires could ride in nice rail cars too. But they would have to share.

Arriving and departing from the exclusive station for which the Bills could charge a bloody fortune.

 

Niagara falls gets 13 Million tourists a year.

 

We run trains from there to the stadium complex and have off-season attractions.

An NFL experience. Exhibits like a Future World of Technology where people could go see SpaceX rockets and whatever cool stuff we could get.

The point is we think of something and then tap that Niagara Falls tourist money until it becomes a river.

 

Recap: We capitalize on our good fortune and use the rail to make it simple and easy to get there. No planning no directions no traffic no worries you just get on the train.

Do that to get Toronto and Niagara Falls money coming in.

 

So there you go. I think  it would work. Hope it seems like a reasonable thing to you too.

 

 

 

 

Is this a bit? I hope so

[Behindenemylines]

12 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

What about a ferry that connected Toronto to Orchard Park?  Not a regular ferry.  A really speedy ferry. A Fast Ferry! I'm trademarking that idea so don't try and steal it you sonsabiches!

 

Great idea but..What if we used Fairys. Like Tinker Bell Or Peter Pan type Fairys. They throw some of that Fairy dust Sh$t on the rich and famous, put em on their backs and fly over.  Dust could be flavored or scented  too in Franks or Blue Cheese
 

And the Fairy’s need to be hot and dressed in Hooters getups.  And at the game they can be “companions” to the Rich and  Famous-wink wink 

 

or we just build a train over the next 30 years….