The biggest non play Monday night

[Freddie's Dead]

That call didn't bother me, get the purnts.  What bothered me was McClappy declining the OPI on 3rd and 13 from the Bills 25.  Gave the Jest a 4th and 13 and Zuerlein boots a 43-yarder.  Take the OPI and make it 3rd and 23.  It's 53 from there, and if you get a sack, etc, you don't give up 3 points.

 

So why does this piss me off so much?  McClappy made the exact same mistake against the Jags in 2021, the infamous 9-6 loss.  He declined a 3rd down penalty and let the Jags kick a 55-yarder that eventually won them the game.  He even admitted after the game that he screwed up by not taking the penalty and he'd make a different decision next time.  Enhhhhh, thank you for playing.  *****in' guy does not learn from his mistakes.  We'll never win the Super Bowl with McD in charge, because he chokes when the game is on the line.

[Utah John]

The biggest non-play was all the times we didn't sack Zach, and he kept upright long enough to throw a good pass to a receiver who'd finally gotten open, over and over.

 

In all the Rodgers hype about how the Jets had their offensive plans disrupted, let's not forget that the Bills D game plan was to contain and stop a less-mobile, older QB who was going to be in a moving pocket and hitting quick passes.  Zach Wilson is a different challenge.  He has a good arm and is good at escaping from pressure.  Regardless of that, though, the Bills D line which was (once again, remember the Bengals playoff game) up against a supposedly inferior O line, only actually sacked the Jets QB a couple of times.  Chasing Wilson out of the pocket was not good enough.  No excuses for the Bills inability to stop Wilson.  

[Returntoglory]

5 hours ago, Draconator said:

Go on the sideline and let's see how the Bills play 

Put me in Coach!

[AuntieEm]

5 hours ago, AuntieEm said:

Hè maybe should have pulled Josh for a bit after 3rd int.  Give him a reality check not pleasant but anyone here think  that would snap Josh out of thinking too much.  The shock would certainly get his attention.

And if nothing else I hope Josh mentioned if he got dinged in head to staff if for no other reason they could check him for any concussion symptoms.  Not even thinking about any game implications  its more player safety as there could be  a argument the spiral in his stats  began at that point. 

 

 

We don't need to hear  'Oh stop with the excuses' because concussions are no joke  and that shaming mentality leads to players not volunteering they saw  stars or whatever their reactions are.  Many players are at different levels of sustaining their next concussion. 

 

 

I'd be curious how well the NFL or really first and foremost the Bills Med Staff tracks each Bills players concussion history.  I mean mitch Morse likely could get one by someone just headslapping him with some force  or when they are in goal line a solid helmet to helmet could put him out for a few months and who knows how much quicker he will have  brain issues  that effect his day to day.

 

 

If it improves player safety I'd be glad that the Jets game as me loss lead to a change in tracking  those forvplayers.  It would allow for each teams staff to monitor more susceptible  players more closely even without a  full speed collision or obvious distress.  And when did that botched  play when Allen stumbled like he just learned to walk occur was it after this possible concussion?

Edited September 14, 2023 by AuntieEm

[msw2112]

1 hour ago, Freddie's Dead said:

That call didn't bother me, get the purnts.  What bothered me was McClappy declining the OPI on 3rd and 13 from the Bills 25.  Gave the Jest a 4th and 13 and Zuerlein boots a 43-yarder.  Take the OPI and make it 3rd and 23.  It's 53 from there, and if you get a sack, etc, you don't give up 3 points.

 

So why does this piss me off so much?  McClappy made the exact same mistake against the Jags in 2021, the infamous 9-6 loss.  He declined a 3rd down penalty and let the Jags kick a 55-yarder that eventually won them the game.  He even admitted after the game that he screwed up by not taking the penalty and he'd make a different decision next time.  Enhhhhh, thank you for playing.  *****in' guy does not learn from his mistakes.  We'll never win the Super Bowl with McD in charge, because he chokes when the game is on the line.

 

I agree in part with this.  In the Jags game, the penalty would have pushed them outside of FG range (65 yards), so you have to take the penalty.  It was a horrible decision.

 

In the Jets game, even with the penalty yardage, the Jets were still in Zuerlien's range (he has one of the strongest legs in NFL history - he's "Greg the Leg").  By accepting the penalty, it would have given the Jets another down to throw it downfield, potentially getting a long first down or drawing a penalty on the Bills (such as pass interference) which may have given the Jets a first down.  So, in that situation, declining the penalty is not the same.

 

What I think was the worst decision on the day was NOT calling timeout when the Jets were in FG range and the clock was at around 2:40.  It allowed them to bleed an additional 40 seconds off the clock, which left much less time for the Bills when they got the ball back.  When you have the ball, you can stop the clock by going out of bounds or spiking the ball.  When you are on defense, you can't stop the clock, so that's a more appropriate time to use timeouts.  Perhaps the Bills would have had time to score a TD and win the game if they had that additional time to work with, instead of settling for a long FG and OT.

Edited September 14, 2023 by msw2112

[Freddie's Dead]

8 minutes ago, msw2112 said:

 

I agree in part with this.  In the Jags game, the penalty would have pushed them outside of FG range (65 yards), so you have to take the penalty.  It was a horrible decision.

 

In the Jets game, even with the penalty yardage, the Jets were still in Zuerlien's range (he has one of the strongest legs in NFL history - he's "Greg the Leg").  By accepting the penalty, it would have given the Jets another down to throw it downfield, potentially getting a long first down or drawing a penalty on the Bills (such as pass interference) which may have given the Jets a first down.  So, in that situation, declining the penalty is not the same.

 

The defense was our best unit that night.  Show some faith in your guys, Mr. DC.  I give them the 3rd and 23 without even thinking about it.

[schoolhouserock]

The Jests quickly responded with three points of their own to tie the game. Felt good to have the 3 points in that moment.

[chongli]

5 hours ago, ngbills said:

The worse call was declining the penalty and letting Jets kick the 45 yarder. Should have pushed them back 10 and maybe you get a sack or turnover. They were very unlikely to convert a 3 and 25. 

 

  

2 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

That call didn't bother me, get the purnts.  What bothered me was McClappy declining the OPI on 3rd and 13 from the Bills 25.  Gave the Jest a 4th and 13 and Zuerlein boots a 43-yarder.  Take the OPI and make it 3rd and 23.  It's 53 from there, and if you get a sack, etc, you don't give up 3 points.

 

You're both probably right, but:

 

1. KC was very unlikely to score to tie the game with 13 seconds left in the 2021 playoffs vs. Buffalo

2. Arizona was very unlikely to score with 11 seconds left against Buffalo, down 30-26 in the 2021 regular season.

3. Minnesota was very unlikely to convert on 4th and 18 against Buffalo last year

 

We all know what happened.

Edited September 14, 2023 by chongli

[NoSaint]

5 hours ago, AuntieEm said:

Hè maybe should have pulled Josh for a bit after 3rd int.  Give him a reality check not pleasant but anyone here think  that would snap Josh out of thinking too much.  The shock would certainly get his attention.

it was better here with less of this. 
 

it’s just so disconnected from the real world. 

[billieve420]

Don’t have issue with decision take the points early. No one was expecting Wilson to do anything and he pretty much didn’t. Bills shots themselves in the foot with all the turnovers and giving the Jets extra chances.

[Freddie's Dead]

7 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

  

 

You're both probably right, but:

 

1. KC was very unlikely to score to tie the game with 13 seconds left in the 2021 playoffs vs. Buffalo

2. Arizona was very unlikely to score with 11 seconds left against Buffalo, down 30-26 in the 2021 regular season.

3. Minnesota was very unlikely to convert on 4th and 18 against Buffalo last year

 

We all know what happened.

 

So you just hand Zeurlein a 43-yarder?  No.  You disagree, then:

 

[chongli]

9 minutes ago, billieve420 said:

Don’t have issue with decision take the points early. No one was expecting Wilson to do anything and he pretty much didn’t. Bills shots themselves in the foot with all the turnovers and giving the Jets extra chances.

 

1. I actually was excepting Wison to do something against us, given his performance vs. us last year with an inferior offense.

2. Bills shooting themselves in the foot sounds familiar, unfortunately.

 

4 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

So you just hand Zeurlein a 43-yarder?  No.  You disagree, then:

 

 

Haha...love it! You're right...take the penalty. I'm just saying with the Bills luck, the Jests probably convert the 3rd and 23.

Edited September 14, 2023 by chongli

[Bermuda Triangle]

I’m sure that the analytics crowd will kill me for this, but given the way that the game had played out (two impotent offenses, Rodgers out, etc.), I thought that taking the ball to start OT was dumb.

[Chaos]

Spencer Brown's false start to kickoff overtime ruined whatever play would have been called there. 

 

It had been a rough game, but Josh Allen led the offense down the field (overcoming a bogus OPI) to get the tying FG. 
Bills won the toin coss, and the momentum was with the Bills.  Then chucklehead false starts, and everybody from McDermott and Dorsey to everyone on the offense seemed to soil themselves.  And this negative momemtum carried over to the special teams, who asked everyone to hold their beer, as they proceeded to delvier the single worst ending play for any team in the NFL this week. The play was so bad, it could possibly end up being the worst play to end a game for the entire 2023 season. 

[The Wiz]

I see we're still picking apart this game huh?

 

[Thurman#1]

11 hours ago, Billever76 said:

It was the beginning of the game....Rodgers was just taken out...we had drove down the field and had a dagger ready to stab all momentum out of the entire stadium.... McDermott chose a pillow over the dagger

 

 

This is just dumb.

 

I mean, you can kid yourself if you need to. 

 

The facts are that if they'd gone for it they might have succeeded.

 

Or they might have failed.

 

But we had a bad game running the ball and that's often the case against this Jets defense. What they did absolutely was not factually wrong, it just simply was not.. Fair enough to have the opinion it was wrong, but pretending you know better is nonsense.

 

It was very defensible. Especially in an away game against a team that had just lost it's only good QB and looked like it would have a ton of trouble scoring points.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

12 hours ago, MJS said:

In a defensive struggle where your offense is scratching and clawing for every yard? You take the points there. It was the right call.

Especially against Zack Wilson where you don’t need to score much to win. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

9 hours ago, msw2112 said:

 

I agree in part with this.  In the Jags game, the penalty would have pushed them outside of FG range (65 yards), so you have to take the penalty.  It was a horrible decision.

 

In the Jets game, even with the penalty yardage, the Jets were still in Zuerlien's range (he has one of the strongest legs in NFL history - he's "Greg the Leg").  By accepting the penalty, it would have given the Jets another down to throw it downfield, potentially getting a long first down or drawing a penalty on the Bills (such as pass interference) which may have given the Jets a first down.  So, in that situation, declining the penalty is not the same.

 

What I think was the worst decision on the day was NOT calling timeout when the Jets were in FG range and the clock was at around 2:40.  It allowed them to bleed an additional 40 seconds off the clock, which left much less time for the Bills when they got the ball back.  When you have the ball, you can stop the clock by going out of bounds or spiking the ball.  When you are on defense, you can't stop the clock, so that's a more appropriate time to use timeouts.  Perhaps the Bills would have had time to score a TD and win the game if they had that additional time to work with, instead of settling for a long FG and OT.

100% agree!!!!!

McD messed up the TO situation. If Jets get another first down game is over no matter when you use the timeouts. So use them before 2 min warning giving you more time to score.

[BearNorth]

18 hours ago, Ramza86 said:

You take the points. You have zack wilson coming in with a poor offensive line in front of him. Should be a cake walk...................................................................................................................................................................................................

Which poor offensive line sprung Breece Hall for 26 and 83 yard runs [127 rushing yards on 10 carries] against our D, coordinated by our HC.

[Ramza86]

7 minutes ago, BearNorth said:

Which poor offensive line sprung Breece Hall for 26 and 83 yard runs [127 rushing yards on 10 carries] against our D, coordinated by our HC.

 

Their line sucks....our defense/scheme against the run sucked much more.