Question: as diehard fans, are we on the same page about the team and about Josh ?

[Italian Bills]

Usually i take few days before commenting a loss, because i need to elaborate it without let my emotions drive my thoughts. 
 

That said and agreeing with all of your different analysis that can be all correct, i want to ask you this: 

 

do we still believe that the Bills can have a great season, going deep in the playoff, dunno if reaching the SB and that Josh is a top elite QB ? 
 

Or this loss changed your point of view on this judgment ? 

[Goin Breakdown]

They can still do great things but I am

open to the idea that this may be a down year. Josh will be great more than he will be the Qb for the other team. It's week one so we'll wait and see. 

[78thealltimegreat]

Josh is one the most talented QBs in the history of the league but the book is out on him sit your safeties back and he will get frustrated and play hero ball. It’s up to him to fix it and after being called a liar by Payton Manning I think he’ll be fine.

The team gets Von Miller back by the end of the month but stopping the rushing attacks seems to still be an issue. 
This is still a double digit win team but I’ll know more about them when Miami comes to town at the end of the month. 

[K D]

Josh needs a lobotomy or at the very least some psychological intervention. You can tell him not to do things like take hits or throw into triple coverage but he clearly is just going to do it anyways. Something in his brain is telling him this is ok or this is more fun than boring 5 yard passes. Until he works at that then nothing will change. We can win games but he can go off the deep end at any moment and we can lose to any team in the league when that happens

[Boatdrinks]

I believe that they can, but it’s mostly on Josh if they will or not. That’s been true the last few years, but Josh was mostly doing the right things. He’s got to get this figured out and do what he’s capable of. 

[Jerome007]

Mahomes had to take quite a few games to go from "hero ball" to the short game. But when they finally adjusted, they were again unstoppable. I recall reading the usual "teams have figured him out" and blablabla. IDK if Burrows had the same mental issues adjusting but I know the team did. The Bengals OL was weak so they went form a deep pass  attack to more varied. They had a very average start to the season last year before going on a tear. Yes,  fans forget how good Josh can be. But we now know he can and will be bad at times. It has rarely happened in big games and prime time though. 

 

Miller + Floyd = very dangerous pas rush. Like you, I see the Bills as a top team. Superbowl, hopefully, we'll see then. Injuries, momentum and so on, who can predict what will happen in 3 months? Focus on NOW.

[GunnerBill]

I think this team with average or above QB play can make the playoffs. To win the division or make a run deep in the post-season it will need the QB to be elite or close to. 

 

If Josh plays like he did Monday for 17 games..... they have no chance. 

[Boatdrinks]

5 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Josh is one the most talented QBs in the history of the league but the book is out on him sit your safeties back and he will get frustrated and play hero ball. It’s up to him to fix it and after being called a liar by Payton Manning I think he’ll be fine.

The team gets Von Miller back by the end of the month but stopping the rushing attacks seems to still be an issue. 
This is still a double digit win team but I’ll know more about them when Miami comes to town at the end of the month. 

We’ll know more about them before that. If Allen continues playing like he did, well that’s how you can lose to the Zack Wilson’s of the world. It won’t be tough to tell if he shakes it off or not. 

[Mango]

Can we make this a poll?

 

Josh is wildly physically talented. He runs on moxie and physiology. If he doesn’t change that he’ll have a harder career than he should.
 

Favre had bad games and bad years. Maybe that’s Josh. I’ve thought he’d always have some longevity.  But Monday night was the first time I’ve thought “maybe he doesn’t”. 
 

There is one fact that keeps gnawing at me.  His turnover rate of nearly 2 per game in the last 365 is way too high to keep going. It has to be fixed and fixed fast.  
 

35 turnovers in the last 19 games is tragic. 
 

Edit: For reference, Mahomes has 18 over the same span. 

Edited September 13, 2023 by Mango
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[78thealltimegreat]

5 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

We’ll know more about them before that. If Allen continues playing like he did, well that’s how you can lose to the Zack Wilson’s of the world. It won’t be tough to tell if he shakes it off or not. 

You usually don’t know what you have in a team till the end of September heck Joe Burrow looked like he belonged in the cfl on Sunday and we all know the Bengals will not look like that by the end of September. 

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, 78thealltimegreat said:

You usually don’t know what you have in a team till the end of September heck Joe Burrow looked like he belonged in the cfl on Sunday and we all know the Bengals will not look like that by the end of September. 

So if Josh continues his current trajectory, you think he will shake it off for the last game in September ? I think he’s got to fix it immediately or the end of September will look pretty much the same. 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

20 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Josh is one the most talented QBs in the history of the league but the book is out on him sit your safeties back and he will get frustrated and play hero ball. It’s up to him to fix it and after being called a liar by Payton Manning I think he’ll be fine.

The team gets Von Miller back by the end of the month but stopping the rushing attacks seems to still be an issue. 
This is still a double digit win team but I’ll know more about them when Miami comes to town at the end of the month. 

Can you elaborate on the Peyton Manning bit? I missed this.

[uticaclub]

There’s thousands of memebers, theres no way we are all on the same page. Haha

[finn]

Until Monday night, I've always had in mind the Allen from the 13-second game, and I've rationalized away every bad performance since then (bad day, bad line, bad elbow, bad receivers). But the Jets game was something different altogether. He didn't just have a bad day; something was very wrong. 

 

Now he appears ashamed and bewildered. Not a good emotional state for a comeback. 

[78thealltimegreat]

2 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Can you elaborate on the Peyton Manning bit? I missed this.

Yeh Giuseppe there’s a clip making the rounds after his second int of the Manning cast where Peyton basically says Josh is liar and Josh told him he was going to take what the D gave him. 

5 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

So if Josh continues his current trajectory, you think he will shake it off for the last game in September ? I think he’s got to fix it immediately or the end of September will look pretty much the same. 

I think if he plays a very boring conservative style I think the Bills can win both games from rosters alone. 
With the Dolphins he needs his A+ game as they are going to need 30 points to win minimum 

[MPL]

This team is what it is because of Josh Allen.

 

That statement is both positive and negative. 

[SCBills]

It's Week One, and Week One is typically not directly indicative of anything relating to the full season.

 

That said, we're 0-1 in a tough division, with a divisional loss out the gate, and our '23 season has begun the same way our '22 season ended.  On Offense, all the same issues we saw for much of the last half of the year, culminating in a disaster performance in the Divisional Round, presented themselves again on Monday Night. 

 

This is more than a "one-off".   I don't believe we can just pretend it's the Week One anomaly.  It's not.  It's a pattern.  

 

Is it correctable?  Yes.  

 

But it's going to take some heavy lifting from our QB and OC.  And that's concerning, because Josh Allen is the reason we're a Super Bowl contender.  Currently, he's been playing like the guy that's holding us back. 

 

I do believe the roster around him is Super Bowl caliber.  Especially when Von Miller comes back.  

 

WR2 and RT are concerns, but every team, including the Chiefs, Bengals and Dolphins has a weakness or two.   I don't believe WR2 is fatal.  RT is a worry.  

 

 

 

Edited September 13, 2023 by SCBills

[Buftex]

6 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Can you elaborate on the Peyton Manning bit? I missed this.

I only heard the soundbite, but apparently on the "Manning Cast" , Peyton said that when he talked to Josh this week, Allen told him he is dertmined to cut down on turnovers, and play smarter...so, as the game wore on and the turnovers and blunders piled up, Peyton said "he lied to me."

[MPL]

5 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

There’s thousands of memebers, theres no way we are all on the same page. Haha

this thread alone is guaranteed to be at least 15 pages. 

[oldmanfan]

Josh can be elite and win Lombardi's, but he needs to do what Brady and Manning (and now Mahomes) learned and take the easy throws.  It has nothing to do with coaching, it has to do with him realizing what wins and what doesn't.  

 

We'll be a playoff team again this year, and once you get there you always have a chance.