Update: All -22 stuff Joe Marino Locked on Bills, Now Cover 1 w/ play breakdowns

[LABILLBACKER]

20 hours ago, Success said:

Man, this guy does some great analysis.  Clearly a fan, but not a homer.  Gonna start watching this more regularly.

 

Joe is amazing and very thorough. I agreed with all his studs & duds.  Josh does need to mature and start running the offensive game plan. It's like his damn Verizon commercials.  Not your best plan Josh.  Check your Superman ego at the door and listen to your coaches.  They'll be plenty of time for big plays down the road. 

Edited September 13, 2023 by LABILLBACKER

[Roundybout]

7 minutes ago, peterpan said:

Sure you do.  He certainly isn’t playing the part of franchise QB.

“How to give up on winning anything in one easy step”

Edited September 13, 2023 by Roundybout

[LABILLBACKER]

17 hours ago, PBF81 said:

If he's ignoring things then that's one thing.  

 

If he's struggling with it, it's altogether another, and a more serious thing.  

 

Curious what the issue is.  Reading D's has never been a strength of his.  Maybe he's simply never picked it up completely.  

 

 

His field vision is very inconsistent.  Monday it was completely non existent.  He's gotta improve there or the whole point of running a shorter passing attack will be moot.

[WideNine]

9 hours ago, JohnnyBuffalo said:

Honestly 6 years in do we really expect this to change?   Maybe accuracy wasn’t all of his issues in college.   I mean his accuracy on those picks was awful but the decision to throw the ball there at all was much worse.    
 

I love this kid and his effort like I loved watching Fred Ex and Fitzy play with all their heart and put everything they had into it but dude come on.    Mental errors are inexcusable.   

 

Only nuance I would make here is that mental errors are excusable IF you learn from them and then demonstrate  change that prove you are learning from them.

 

Much as Allen said himself, same **** different day.

 

A cycle of repeating the same mistakes at the same rate or more is inexcusable. He knows this and there should be some soul-searching.

 

Took a lot of work for Josh to get to where he is at, but resting on laurels does not work for long in the NFL.

 

To quote Tommy Boy, "You are either growing or you are dying, there ain't no third direction."

 

 

 

 

 

[Dan Darragh]

55 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

It's a podcast... It's not meant to be consumed while staring at your screen. I listen to this and other similar podcasts while commuting and while doing chores. It has basically taken the place of sports radio for me.

I don't commute

 

I don't do chores

 

I don't own a radio

 

Give me video

[Franco_92]

20 minutes ago, Dan Darragh said:

I don't commute

 

I don't do chores

 

I don't own a radio

 

Give me video

Then watch cover 1 lol, but other people do those things and so it was posted and discussed here 

[Peter]

2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Team in win now mode at the peak of their powers handed over OC to someone that never has called plays.  
 

In a league that catches on to you quick - does it look like we’ve adjusted since the first Jets game last season?
 

46 passes against the best secondary in the NFL.  

 

Yea, they’re at least getting 1 or 2 picks minimum.  
 

I guarantee no team throws it over 35 times vs the Jets the rest of the season.  Barring injuries to their D.  

 

Have you seen our run blocking? (They also have a hard time pass blocking).

 

What was the pass to run ratio when Daboll was the coach?

 

How many points did the Giants score this past weekend?

 

How did our offense perform statistically last year compared to the prior year?

 

Of course, let's just blame Dorsey. I have a feeling some of you also are blaming him for inflation and the war in the Ukraine.

 

God bless.

2 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

IMO hate is a bit strong, but criticism is certainly at least somewhat warranted.  Allen is the foundational/cornerstone element to the Offense that Dorsey "coordinates."  

 

But wouldn't you agree that it's the job of an OC to adjust to the opposing defense both during games but especially at the half, to the goal of improving and outperforming that same defense and DC?  

 

And visa versa for the defense?  

 

Here are Allen's stats by half from last season.  

 

Last season 24 of Allen's passing TDs were in the 1st halves of games. He had 11 in the 2nd halfs of games, fewer than half as many and not even 1 per game.

 

His INTs were about the same despite having about 25% fewer passing yards in the 2nd halves of games.  AKA a somewhat higher INT%.  

 

His 1st half rating average was 103.1, his 2nd half rating average was 89.5, the latter of which is incredibly average on a season.  

 

While many here are loathe to accept it, in-game adjustments, which is an incredibly significant attribute of the best coaches in the league, is not something that this team has been better than their top opponents at.  

 

Last season we averaged 28.4 PPG.  Of that, 12.9 PPG were in the 2nd halves, 15.5 in the 1st halves.  We started out with 45 of those second half points in the first two games however, but after that our 2nd half average scoring dropped to 11.5.  

 

 

 

What was our record last year?

 

How did the offense perform last year compared to the year before?

 

P.S. The reason I used the word hate is that it seems to apply to people (perhaps not you) who want to make Dorsey the scapegoat for everything including record inflation. For me, Monday was about lack of execution (on both sides of the ball). 

 

 

[Peter]

3 hours ago, ngbills said:

What are your thoughts on Leslie Frazier? 

 

My thought is that he was made to be a scapegoat. I am sure that McCoach approved of all of the defensive game plans and calls (or at least had the opportunity to overrule Frazier). The same thing happened with our prior special teams coach after the 13 seconds game.

 

We shall see whether our "new" defensive coordinator is any better than the "prior" one . . . .

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, Peter said:

How did the offense perform last year compared to the year before?

 

The offense scored more PPG in '21 than it did in '22.  

 

It was also more consistent.  

 

Why?  

 

 

1 hour ago, Peter said:

P.S. The reason I used the word hate is that it seems to apply to people (perhaps not you) who want to make Dorsey the scapegoat for everything including record inflation. For me, Monday was about lack of execution (on both sides of the ball). 

 

Make sure that you don't assume that simply because someone criticizes Dorsey that they "blame him for everything."  

 

Too much of that here.  I call it as I see it.  Dorsey has his flaws, and adjusting at the half is one of them, he seems to be even worse in-game.  Last year was problematic as when, for example, the running game was working great, he'd stop running, even when we were up, and start throwing.  Made no sense.  

 

 

[JohnNord]

20 hours ago, Success said:

Man, this guy does some great analysis.  Clearly a fan, but not a homer.  Gonna start watching this more regularly.

 

No doubt, he’s really good and I have no idea how he can crank out a show every day.  Never really bought into his show until this off-season.  

 

I like how he’s obviously a fan from Grand Island, but he can be honest and often times more critical than some in the media.  
 

Not having any direct professional ties to the team itself, probably helps too

[JohnNord]

1 hour ago, Peter said:

 

My thought is that he was made to be a scapegoat. I am sure that McCoach approved of all of the defensive game plans and calls (or at least had the opportunity to overrule Frazier). The same thing happened with our prior special teams coach after the 13 seconds game.

 

We shall see whether our "new" defensive coordinator is any better than the "prior" one . . . .

If he was the scapegoat they would have fired him a month earlier.  Also despite what fans think, McDermott was under NO pressure at all, evidenced by the fact he signed a contract extension months later.  There was no need for a scapegoat.  

 

IMO I think that McDermott informed Leslie that he was taking over playcalling duties in 2023.  He also had brought in Al Holcomb as another senior defensive assistant to potentially take some off Leslie’s plate.  
 

Facing what amounts to a demotion and likely some burnout, I think he decided to re-sign.  I would be shocked if he’s not a defensive coordinator next season somewhere else

[WideNine]

1 hour ago, Peter said:

 

Have you seen our run blocking? (They also have a hard time pass blocking).

 

What was the pass to run ratio when Daboll was the coach?

 

How many points did the Giants score this past weekend?

 

How did our offense perform statistically last year compared to the prior year?

 

Of course, let's just blame Dorsey. I have a feeling some of you also are blaming him for inflation and the war in the Ukraine.

 

God bless.

 

What was our record last year?

 

How did the offense perform last year compared to the year before?

 

P.S. The reason I used the word hate is that it seems to apply to people (perhaps not you) who want to make Dorsey the scapegoat for everything including record inflation. For me, Monday was about lack of execution (on both sides of the ball). 

 

 

 

We had a pretty good mix of zone and gap runs and Joe has a Locked On that broke those distributions down.

 

Our line does a bit better with pin & pull gap blocking so good to see them working those in.

 

Tough sledding against that front 4 of the Jets.

 

Hard to not sprinkle in zone running plays with the speed of Cook getting outside and turning the corner.

 

Perhaps we could have leaned into the runs a bit more, less as a strategy and more as damage control with the way Allen was playing.

 

A lot of coachable tape from this game. We will see how the team responds.

 

 

 

[fergie's ire]

34 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

The offense scored more PPG in '21 than it did in '22.  

 

It was also more consistent.  

 

Why?  

 

 

 

Make sure that you don't assume that simply because someone criticizes Dorsey that they "blame him for everything."  

 

Too much of that here.  I call it as I see it.  Dorsey has his flaws, and adjusting at the half is one of them, he seems to be even worse in-game.  Last year was problematic as when, for example, the running game was working great, he'd stop running, even when we were up, and start throwing.  Made no sense.  

 

 

How so?  In 21 regular season there were 3 games in the 40s and 4 games in the teens or lower (including a 6 point game and a 10 point game).  In 22 there was one game in the 40s and only two games in the teens or lower (and it was 17 and 19 points).  22 seems more consistent.

[Peter]

33 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

The offense scored more PPG in '21 than it did in '22.  

 

It was also more consistent.  

 

Why?  

 

 

 

Make sure that you don't assume that simply because someone criticizes Dorsey that they "blame him for everything."  

 

Too much of that here.  I call it as I see it.  Dorsey has his flaws, and adjusting at the half is one of them, he seems to be even worse in-game.  Last year was problematic as when, for example, the running game was working great, he'd stop running, even when we were up, and start throwing.  Made no sense.  

 

 

 

2022 Buffalo Bills Offense

 

2021 Buffalo Bills Offense

 

https://x.com/BfloFanatics/status/1616148923491524608?s=20

 

 

 

30 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

If he was the scapegoat they would have fired him a month earlier.  Also despite what fans think, McDermott was under NO pressure at all, evidenced by the fact he signed a contract extension months later.  There was no need for a scapegoat.  

 

IMO I think that McDermott informed Leslie that he was taking over playcalling duties in 2023.  He also had brought in Al Holcomb as another senior defensive assistant to potentially take some off Leslie’s plate.  
 

Facing what amounts to a demotion and likely some burnout, I think he decided to re-sign.  I would be shocked if he’s not a defensive coordinator next season somewhere else

 

Clearly, we disagree.

 

I wonder when McCoach will do a mea culpa as Josh was man enough to do.

[Big Blitz]

2 hours ago, Peter said:

 

Have you seen our run blocking? (They also have a hard time pass blocking).

 

What was the pass to run ratio when Daboll was the coach?

 

How many points did the Giants score this past weekend?

 

How did our offense perform statistically last year compared to the prior year?

 

Of course, let's just blame Dorsey. I have a feeling some of you also are blaming him for inflation and the war in the Ukraine.

 

God bless.

 

What was our record last year?

 

How did the offense perform last year compared to the year before?

 

P.S. The reason I used the word hate is that it seems to apply to people (perhaps not you) who want to make Dorsey the scapegoat for everything including record inflation. For me, Monday was about lack of execution (on both sides of the ball). 

 

 

 

What do you like about Dorsey’s results that warrant our trust he can win us a SB?  That he’s getting the most out of Allen?  That Allen isn’t turning the ball over like he did with Daboll?    

[WideNine]

10 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

In fairness to Allen, if it's a lack of preparation then coaching is implicated as well.  And to me that's been a no-brainier since there's been a consistent lack of prep in other areas also, particularly in the playoffs.   

 

As far as the confusion and panic go, while other teams with top QBs have gone out of their ways to put solid OLs in front of them, McBeane have neglected that in favor of choosing to be obsessed with the pass rush and have all but ignored that until this season.  

 

Had they done that, it would have helped Allen properly develop in that way.  

 

The Jets' pass rush is outstanding, but it OL finally did a halfway decent job on Monday.  All five OL-men played 100% of the snaps and Torrence looked good.  Brown was the only consistent issue but even he blocked well at times.  

 

That exposed Allen's issues as as such.  But are those issues now a patterned behavior and response from five prior seasons of running for his life, we don't know.

 

The problem is that that also doesn't completely explain his not taking advantage of the higher percentage outlet passes.  

 

 

 

 

The patterned behavior and habits are part of the equation I am sure. 

 

There probably is the muscle memory of "it breaks down, I run around and make a play" that is ingrained.

 

Marino brought up another observation from last year's breakdown of the numbers, that Allen does better staying on schedule with the called play when he is under center and using play-action.

 

Dorsey should lean into that more to help him create some better muscle memory.

 

 

 

[Reed83HOF]

4 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

His field vision is very inconsistent.  Monday it was completely non existent.  He's gotta improve there or the whole point of running a shorter passing attack will be moot.

The "arm arrogance" is definitely part of this. He somewhat understandably has the Favre in him. I still feel like Daboll was able to control it by getting to him...

 

This is just a comment, while I'm not hating on Dorsey, knowing that he was a hell of a college QB, I do wonder if the urge is there to just play madden in real life with Josh who can do almost anything on a football field.  I feel like that's how I would call plays and trying to drop 60 on everyone lol

[PBF81]

40 minutes ago, Peter said:

2022 Buffalo Bills Offense

 

2021 Buffalo Bills Offense

 

So I present points scored in addressing a question about offense, and you respond with yardage?

 

Last time I checked, the winner was determined by points, not by yards logged.  Good thing too, otherwise we'd have been 12-4 last season.  We'd have been 14-3 in '21 though.

 

I do keep forgetting that we didn't play all 17 last season, so I forgot that, but the PPG were the same from season to season.  

 

But the Offense scored about a point more per game in '21 because we had two KR TDs by Hines last season.  

 

Both seasons saw one defensive TD.

 

What's the point of this re: Dorsey?

 

 

Edited September 13, 2023 by PBF81

[Peter]

1 minute ago, PBF81 said:

 

So I present points scored in addressing a question about offense, and you respond with yardage?

 

I do keep forgetting that we didn't play all 17 last season, so I forgot that, but the PPG were the same from season to season.  

 

But the Offense scored about a point more per game in '21 because we had two KR TDs by Hines last season.  

 

Both seasons saw one defensive TD.

 

What's the point of this re: Dorsey?

 

 

 

I think my point is pretty obvious. The Dorsey haters (or most of them) seem to think that he is a horrible OC while the same people think Daboll is God's gift to coordinating offenses. The objective metrics contradict the bias that I read here and on Twitter.

 

Your prior post about points scored was false. In both seasons, the Bills averaged 28.4 points per game.

 

In any event, it is clear that the objective metrics are not going to change your mind, and you and the others are not going to change mine.

 

God bless.

[PBF81]

7 minutes ago, Peter said:

I think my point is pretty obvious. The Dorsey haters (or most of them) seem to think that he is a horrible OC while the same people think Daboll is God's gift to coordinating offenses. The objective metrics contradict the bias that I read here and on Twitter.

 

Well, OK, objective analyst here, I'm really not a fan of either.  I wasn't impressed with anything that Daboll did last season in NY.   He beat easy teams and choked overall down the stretch.  I suspect that this season, with a much tougher schedule as they play the AFCE, the NFCW, and the Chargers and Lioins, ... along with the Panthers.  But his Giants beat only one team with more than 10 wins, they beat the Jags before they went on their winning streak, and he folded down the stretch once teams figured his Giants out, going 3-6-1.  

 

I'm going with that that 40-0 drubbing he just sustained will be closer to the reality of his season than making the playoffs is.  i.e., Daboll is overrated as either an OC or a HC.  In 8 seasons of being an OC in the pros, his offenses have consistently ranked near DFL.  The only two seasons where any ranked better than bottom quartile were in '20 and '21 once Allen found his groove.  

 

 

7 minutes ago, Peter said:

Your prior post about points scored was false. In both seasons, the Bills averaged 28.4 points per game.

 

Not really, I already addressed that.  The offense scored 14 more points in '21.  

 

Both seasons saw a Pick-6, but last season ('22) we had those two KR TDs by Hines.  That's 14 points courtesy of STs.  

 

I'll also throw this in there, which I've already posted, possibly in this thread, but Allen was almost perfectly consistent from his 1st Half play to his 2nd Half play in '21.  Last season however it was horrifically lopsided, 24 TDs in the 1st halves, 11 in the 2nd, among other stats of his.  

 

He was far more consistent, far more, in 2021.  

 

Whether that was Daboll's influence, who knows, but it is what it is.  The offense scored nearly a point more per game in '21.  

 

 

7 minutes ago, Peter said:

In any event, it is clear that the objective metrics are not going to change your mind, and you and the others are not going to change mine.

 

God bless.

 

Well that's fine, I'm perfectly good with disagreements here, I appreciate you not getting personal and emotional.  LOL