Update: All -22 stuff Joe Marino Locked on Bills, Now Cover 1 w/ play breakdowns

[eball]

Ok so the real question is “how do you fix Josh?”  Obviously you aren’t going to bench him, but how do you get him to be a team player and not always try to be the hero?

 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

9 hours ago, Success said:

JA is going to see all of this.  He'll see everything he passed up - all of the much easier plays that would have kept the chains moving.

 

We'll just have to see how it goes.  What else can we do? This can all be forgotten pretty quickly if we can get on a roll, and Allen gets back to looking like the guy who had us thinking he might be the best out there just a year & a half ago.

 

Thing that worries me is this was an issue last year as well. 

[boyst]

9 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

This is exactly what it looked like to me.

 

Unprofessional and immature.

 

Peoples’ livelihoods are at stake.  How is Josh gonna feel when his buddy the OC is canned because of him?  
 

Dude needs to GROW THE F UP already.

dion is fat

diggs is unhappy

...

josh is undisciplined.

 

 

but seriously, when people criticize him, including the uberdouche guy who has a lot of clicks for saying he doesn't focus enough - they're not wrong.

[Coach Tuesday]

Part of it I’m guessing is a failure to win the play before the snap, which may well come from a lack of film study, which may well come from a feeling that “I’m the best athlete in the world - I will figure out what the defense is doing and react to it on the fly, and if that doesn’t work, I’ll just jump over or run through it.”

 

Josh is a baby.

[BillsFan692]

9 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

There's a reason Diggs was disgusted with him.  And Diggs was right.  It's time to grow up.  It's not just playing like a knucklehead.    

Honestly this comment is laughable and I can't even take this seriously. It's about as funny as your initial comment about what you would do with your 27 year old son to 'set him straight'. Last year the bills had the 2nd best offense in the NFL and diggs was one of the leading NFL Receivers. Diggs is a diva and if anyone needs to grow up its him, but I think he has based on how he got b$!ch#d in the offseason.

Edited September 13, 2023 by BillsFan692

[eball]

I hope that when they are watching film they aren’t just coddling Josh and saying, “we can do this better” — I hope someone is in his face saying “what the (bleep) were you thinking Josh?”

 

He needs to understand that saying he just wants to win and he loves his teammates only goes so far if his actions on the field show he is just a selfish hero wannabe.

 

And I really can’t believe I am even writing that — would have never thought I’d see a performance like Monday night from him.

 

[mannc]

3 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

He just has to calm the F down. He never has taken what the D gives, which is unacceptable and against a top D will lead to the garbage we saw.  Props to the Jets for whatever halftime adjustments they made that made Allen so uncomfortable 

 

I'm over it but eager to see what he does next week.  I'd be really concerned if he has a bad day. That'd be 3 in a row, counting the Cincy game. 

Josh was pretty bad in the Miami playoff game, too.  Unfortunately, this is becoming a trend.  
 

They call it the hardest position in sports for good reason.  The mental aspect of the position is at least as important as the physical.  Unfortunately, we have examples of guys who were at the top of the heap lose “it” pretty quickly for whatever reason: Russell Wilson, Carson Wentz, probably Deshaun Watson. Let’s hope this is just a rough stretch and not part of a long-term decline.  I’d be really interested to hear some opinions from former NFL QBs like Dilfer, Simms, etc…

Edited September 13, 2023 by mannc

[SectionC3]

4 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said:

Honestly this comment is laughable and I can't even take this seriously. It's about as funny as your initial comment about what you would do with your 27 year old son to 'set him straight'. Last year the bills had the 2nd best offense in the NFL and diggs was one of the leading NFL Receivers. Diggs is a diva and if anyone needs to grow up its him, but I think he has based on how he got b$!ch#d in the offseason.

Read between the lines.  The former was an Instagram addict who couldn't help but share the things that nobody but her cared about with the world.  Heard from her lately?  So how and why is it that this attention-craving narcissist all of a sudden goes dark?  And how is the "lifestyle" funded at this point?  Maybe using that clue and the anger of the hyper-focused star WR about certain recent events we have a clue as to what the problem might be.  It's time to grow up, both personally and professionally. 

[mannc]

17 minutes ago, eball said:

Ok so the real question is “how do you fix Josh?”  Obviously you aren’t going to bench him, but how do you get him to be a team player and not always try to be the hero?

 

Unfortunately, we’re now into the season, so there isn’t a lot of time for a major overhaul if it’s something more than just “impatience” or “trying too hard”.  

[Lost]

Josh will probably come out and drop 350 and 4td 0int against the Raiders and we'll forget this topic even existed.   

[BuffaloRebound]

Performances like Monday night are hard to get past.  That was some of the worst and most reckless QB play I’ve ever seen.  Dorsey and McDermott need to go to the ‘break glass in case of emergency’ playbook.  Power running game, play action, and quick passes until Josh shows he’s not a turnover machine.  

[BillsFan692]

15 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Read between the lines.  The former was an Instagram addict who couldn't help but share the things that nobody but her cared about with the world.  Heard from her lately?  So how and why is it that this attention-craving narcissist all of a sudden goes dark?  And how is the "lifestyle" funded at this point?  Maybe using that clue and the anger of the hyper-focused star WR about certain recent events we have a clue as to what the problem might be.  It's time to grow up, both personally and professionally. 

Keep putting the clues together dick tracy, you'll crack the case soon.

[colin]

1 hour ago, peterpan said:

I hear a lot of “Josh needs to grow up”. 
 

what does that even mean??

 

He is playing poorly.  He is playing like he did in college.  Maybe this is just whom he is.  He had a good year/year and a half and that honeymoon is over.

 

McDermot and Dorsey need to be ready to bench him.  Just for one drive at first.  Then maybe a whole half, idk.  But he has earned a benching. 

 

the savage irony of you posting about not understanding growing up cuts deep.

[BeavercreekBillsFan]

10 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

I'm not watching all that.  Guy doesn't even show examples of what he's talking about.  I actually agree with whats said in the OP to some extent but why watch some guy tell it to me for a half hour? 

 

In any case, this is on Dorsey.  Part of Dorsey's job is to get Allen to buy into the offense and make the right plays.  If Allen doesn't believe in the offense then we have the wrong coach. (the game itself is on Allen... I am saying getting Allen right is on Dorsey."

 

I will say this though... people expecting Josh to "just take what the defense gives you brah" for an entire game every game are kidding themselves.  That stuff only works short term.  One mistake and its drive over.  Drive after drive that happens. You don't score points.  Teams like KC can get away with that because that little 2 or 3 yard dump off often goes for 8-15 yards. Our 2-3 yard dump offs go for 3-4 yards more often then not.  Yeah, it will move the chains... if you play perfect ball.  No one plays perfect ball all game every game.

I said this in the game thread Monday and I’m glad you brought it up again. People want josh to take the easy stuff and I do too but can we all stop acting like that’s going to fix everything? Josh isn’t that type of QB for better or worse. And throwing dump offs don’t work for us because we don’t have YAC guys, literally we have none and that’s an organization failure. We can’t block so we have to find quick routes, etc. Fine. But Dorsey can’t draw up big openings in space to create YAC and we don’t have weapons for that. Love Diggs but he catches the ball then always gets tackled. Gabe sucks at anything but going deep. The TEs aren’t exactly fast. I don’t trust Harry to be much. And cook, while fast, can’t shake a defender and can’t break tackles. So we’re kind of screwed against good defenses. They’re going to give us the easy stuff because even if josh takes the easy stuff, it’s going to take us forever to score since no one can take a dump off and turn it into a score like it seems like every other team seems to have. Josh knows this. He knows he has to score so unfortunately he reverts back. Add in the o line sucks and we have no run game and I can get why he’s pissed. Teams know this. They know we don’t have a CMC or a Tyreek. They’ll give us the easy stuff and then wrap up the recover quickly and frustrate josh more. 

[PBF81]

8 hours ago, Airseven said:

Exactly the distinction I’ve been considering. At this stage, I think it’s likely the latter. It’s not hero ball. It’s lack of preparation, confusion, and panic.

 

In fairness to Allen, if it's a lack of preparation then coaching is implicated as well.  And to me that's been a no-brainier since there's been a consistent lack of prep in other areas also, particularly in the playoffs.   

 

As far as the confusion and panic go, while other teams with top QBs have gone out of their ways to put solid OLs in front of them, McBeane have neglected that in favor of choosing to be obsessed with the pass rush and have all but ignored that until this season.  

 

Had they done that, it would have helped Allen properly develop in that way.  

 

The Jets' pass rush is outstanding, but it OL finally did a halfway decent job on Monday.  All five OL-men played 100% of the snaps and Torrence looked good.  Brown was the only consistent issue but even he blocked well at times.  

 

That exposed Allen's issues as as such.  But are those issues now a patterned behavior and response from five prior seasons of running for his life, we don't know.

 

The problem is that that also doesn't completely explain his not taking advantage of the higher percentage outlet passes.  

 

 

[Goin Breakdown]

Not even a week ago we were all in a hizzy because some hack said josh wasn't studying and didn't put in the time (paraphrasing). Now look at us. Maybe just maybe when others aren't wearing rose colored glasses they see things we don't. Not saying the comment on josh was exactly correct (how are we to really know and understand what Josh does) 

[boyst]

55 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Part of it I’m guessing is a failure to win the play before the snap, which may well come from a lack of film study, which may well come from a feeling that “I’m the best athlete in the world - I will figure out what the defense is doing and react to it on the fly, and if that doesn’t work, I’ll just jump over or run through it.”

 

Josh is a baby.

i hate. absolutely hate. that the "win the playbefore the snap" became a saying but it is so damn accurate.

back in my day we just called it reading the defense but in todays nfl world the play is won or lost before the snap and anyone with football intelligence can read a play based on formation and personnel. @GG is extremely good at this.

 

part of the whole advancement of the game has made it easier to figure out the Bills defense with the hidden cover 2 lineups poyer and hyde were so good at in the past. the script is out on it.

 

before i got the boot from the shoutbox i used to diagnose the play for funsies there.

[Royale with Cheese]

He's on WGR now.

 

Said that Ken Dorsey gave him a good game plan with plenty of underneath throws for Allen to take.  

 

[Roundybout]

2 hours ago, peterpan said:

I hear a lot of “Josh needs to grow up”. 
 

what does that even mean??

 

He is playing poorly.  He is playing like he did in college.  Maybe this is just whom he is.  He had a good year/year and a half and that honeymoon is over.

 

McDermot and Dorsey need to be ready to bench him.  Just for one drive at first.  Then maybe a whole half, idk.  But he has earned a benching. 

You do not bench your franchise quarterback, end of discussion.

[BeavercreekBillsFan]

9 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Josh is going to get Ken Dorsey fired if it’s true the throws were there and he just looked them off that’s on him. 
 
But what I do fear most of all is a team like the 49ers trading for him in a year or two if the Bills decide to pull the plug and letting a staff with Griese and Shannahan telling him do this and the 49ers forming an 80s dynasty and the Bills rebuilding with another rookie QB and going into the wilderness for the next few years. 

The 49ers are already a juggernaut right now without josh. I mention it all the time on this board because I’m not over the CMC trade and beane not getting him. That said. Shanahan doesn’t really want a guy like Josh. Sure he’s a fun toy but he would drive KS nuts. He wants a robot back there to execute his offense, that’s not josh. Josh is best off script. KS draws up the best scripts in the league. He’s unmatched. I get your point though.