Update: All -22 stuff Joe Marino Locked on Bills, Now Cover 1 w/ play breakdowns

[JerseyBills]

Just now, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

It isn't the OCs fault if the QB is too stupid to take the easy throws that are open 

Yup. I've seen like 8 throws where a rookie could see , guys are Wide open and he throws into coverage.  🤮

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Someone said Josh Allen doesn’t put in the film study this offseason. It’s showing.

[BillMafia716ix]

6 hours ago, arcane said:

Joe Marino does a podcast which he also happens to post to youtube for people who only listen to it that way. That's why there aren't videos/graphics. It's a daily podcast, and sits alongside about 300 other football related things he does each week for work, including scouting hundreds of college players. That's why he doesn't have time to splice videos and make it all nice for you. But no doubt about it, the guy knows ball, you only need to listen to a few episodes to pick that up. 

Cover 1, Joe Marino, and One Bills live is where I get all my Bills content. They are top tier shows.

[JerseyBills]

1 minute ago, BillMafia716ix said:

Cover 1, Joe Marino, and One Bills live is where I get all my Bills content. They are top tier shows.

yardperpass on Twitter posts some great all 22 analysis also

 

Man I thought it was Jets defense but Allen had guys underneath all day. I'm really discouraged by this film. He looked like a rookie

Edited September 13, 2023 by JerseyBills

[JohnnyBuffalo]

Honestly 6 years in do we really expect this to change?   Maybe accuracy wasn’t all of his issues in college.   I mean his accuracy on those picks was awful but the decision to throw the ball there at all was much worse.    
 

I love this kid and his effort like I loved watching Fred Ex and Fitzy play with all their heart and put everything they had into it but dude come on.    Mental errors are inexcusable.   

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, McDeerInTheHeadlights said:

I'm not buying the it's pretty much all on Josh narrative.

 

For instance, I do agree, to address one of the concerns, that he may give up on standing in the pocket a little longer a bit too often, but I don't remember Brady having his RT pushed into his lap in such an embarrassing fashion in half a second either. Once you lose confidence in some of your guys, it's hard to revert the process. It becomes second nature.

 

Josh has his own faults, but changes around him have to happen, in the form of personnel, play calling, or drastic performance improvement, possibly all of the above, to get him back in a confort zone.

Then why has Burrow been able to get through it?  His offensive line in his first two years was terrible.  Sacked 9 times in a playoff game.  He was sacked constantly in their 0-2 start last year.

 

Losing confidence in the OL means you throw downfield into double coverage?  It means you don’t throw the underneath route and force things?

[Airseven]

22 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Then why has Burrow been able to get through it?  His offensive line in his first two years was terrible.  Sacked 9 times in a playoff game.  He was sacked constantly in their 0-2 start last year.

 

Losing confidence in the OL means you throw downfield into double coverage?  It means you don’t throw the underneath route and force things?

Burrow is on another level with how he processes the game mentally. He also has better weapons and the Bengals invested heavily in their OL in 2022. Bills WRs and OL have been mostly a revolving door of riff raff the past couple years.

 

Interestingly, the Chiefs also committed an off-season to revamping their OL in 2021.

Edited September 13, 2023 by Airseven

[Chandler#81]

Joe Marino is a true treasure for Bills fans. Tells it like it is and knows what he’s looking at.

[McDeerInTheHeadlights]

12 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Then why has Burrow been able to get through it?  His offensive line in his first two years was terrible.  Sacked 9 times in a playoff game.  He was sacked constantly in their 0-2 start last year.

 

Losing confidence in the OL means you throw downfield into double coverage?  It means you don’t throw the underneath route and force things?

 

People see different issues with Josh's play. One of them is leaving the pocket too early way too often. As clearly stated, my post was addressing that concern.

 

In that regard, Josh and Burrow are hardly comparable due to their different skill sets / athletic abilities.

[peterpan]

I hear a lot of “Josh needs to grow up”. 
 

what does that even mean??

 

He is playing poorly.  He is playing like he did in college.  Maybe this is just whom he is.  He had a good year/year and a half and that honeymoon is over.

 

McDermot and Dorsey need to be ready to bench him.  Just for one drive at first.  Then maybe a whole half, idk.  But he has earned a benching. 

Edited September 13, 2023 by peterpan

[BillsFan692]

9 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

Focused on themes,

 

Josh Allen was the reason you lost the game.

The easy button throws were there all game; took them some times

times he said no were inexplicable

it's even more frustrating when you study the tape; it's worse than you thought

I watched an extremely immature QB that didn't run the offense well

you become completely aware of the turn-downs, the things he said no to

eyes were all over the place, situational awareness was lacking - forcing throws, not embracing the game script

it was 17 that was the problem

 

Lots of things are good once we move past the bad....

Yah but did he think that hit where allen got whipped face first into the ground early in the game had an effect? Look like allens bell was rung pretty good there...

 

Seeing some speculation online that the NFL spotters should have at least checked him in the blue tent.

 

I mean i believe it honestly it was the worst game ive ever seen josh allen play but it seemed to get progressively worse. Even when he fumbled the ball (twice) on one play he got smacked pretty good in the head again

Edited September 13, 2023 by BillsFan692

[Royale with Cheese]

11 minutes ago, McDeerInTheHeadlights said:

 

People see different issues with Josh's play. One of them is leaving the pocket too early way too often. As clearly stated, my post was addressing that concern.

 

In that regard, Josh and Burrow are hardly comparable due to their different skill sets / athletic abilities.

I’m not talking about their skill set and abilities.  Why does that matter?  We are talking about overcoming adversity.  Allen has a different skill set than Burrow meaning he’s more susceptible to losing confidence or something?

 

You stated Allen stays in the pocket too long, this post you’re now saying he leaves too early?  Which one is it?

 

The issues are clear with Josh.  He said it himself and has said it for years starting 6 years ago.  

[McDeerInTheHeadlights]

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I’m not talking about their skill set and abilities.  Why does that matter?  We are talking about overcoming adversity.  Allen has a different skill set than Burrow meaning he’s more susceptible to losing confidence or something?

 

You stated Allen stays in the pocket too long, this post you’re now saying he leaves too early?  Which one is it?

 

The issues are clear with Josh.  He said it himself and has said it for years starting 6 years ago.  

 

Man, I have never stated that Josh stays in the pocket too long. Have some coffee and re-read my posts.

[SectionC3]

9 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

This is exactly what it looked like to me.

 

Unprofessional and immature.

 

Peoples’ livelihoods are at stake.  How is Josh gonna feel when his buddy the OC is canned because of him?  
 

Dude needs to GROW THE F UP already.

I couldn't agree more.  Great, fun guy.  Needs to grow up, on and off the field.  The dude is reckless.  I honestly wonder if his brain is working the right way after getting knocked around last year.   

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, McDeerInTheHeadlights said:

 

Man, I have never stated that Josh stays in the pocket too long. Have some coffee and re-read my posts.

 

Okay, I misread that particular part.  That wasn't the only thing we were talking about....care to address those?

 

[SectionC3]

36 minutes ago, peterpan said:

I hear a lot of “Josh needs to grow up”. 
 

what does that even mean??

 

He is playing poorly.  He is playing like he did in college.  Maybe this is just whom he is.  He had a good year/year and a half and that honeymoon is over.

 

McDermot and Dorsey need to be ready to bench him.  Just for one drive at first.  Then maybe a whole half, idk.  But he has earned a benching. 

There is fire to the smoke about certain other nonsense.  Let's put it this way: if it was my son who was doing or who had done certain things that constitute the "fire," there would be significant familial intervention.  Maybe a 27-year-old who might be worth $100m is beyond that.  In fact, it's probably the case.  But if it was my child, I'd be there to get his head right because life is short, time is precious, and these years--both professionally and personally--will fly quickly by. 

[wvbillsfan]

The only part that I see was on Dorsey was his unwillingness to run the ball more when we just needed to play mistake free football. 
 

But ultimately guys were open. Throws were there to be had. Allen just didn’t execute. 
 

At this point I’m more worried about the “eyes all over the place” statement than anything. 
 

What is fooling him Allen that he can’t get through progressions or it is a lack of trust in his OLine. 

[BillsFan692]

6 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

There is fire to the smoke about certain other nonsense.  Let's put it this way: if it was my son who was doing or who had done certain things that constitute the "fire," there would be significant familial intervention.  Maybe a 27-year-old who might be worth $100m is beyond that.  In fact, it's probably the case.  But if it was my child, I'd be there to get his head right because life is short, time is precious, and these years--both professionally and personally--will fly quickly by. 

Like what are we even saying anymore this talk is ridiculous. Josh allen isn't your son, he isn't even a kid anymore, he is worth as you said 100s of millions of dollars and you can't change who someone is as a person even if its your own 27 year old son (good luck).

I think most likely allen got his bell rung early in the 1st Q and things spiraled. He actually took multiple hits to the head area this game so you know he was probably under-duress. 

Believe it or not, Allen is not superman. The first head hit he took which looked real bad as he got slung violently to the turf (face first) likely had some affects on him throughout the remainder of the game.  The second smack he took to the helmet was when he double-fumbled the ball. 

I find it much more likely allen's bell was rung than allen just suddenly played the worst game he's ever played and everyone is scratching their heads going 'what was he thinking?!' maybe the reality is that he wasn't thinkin too good -- you know?  Anyways, it is Wednesday folks, it's time to move on to LV Raiders we'll know more about Allen's overall contribution to this teams success as the season unfolds. I don't suspect every game we play is going to look like the jets but we know allen struggles mightily against their D.

Edited September 13, 2023 by BillsFan692

[Saxum]

9 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Why can’t we have nice things?

 

Because fans are Emotionally Unstable and focus on what went wrong, real and imagined, rather than focusing on what went well.  They rant irrationally all offseason and whether players admit this or not it affects them.

[SectionC3]

3 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said:

Like what are we even saying anymore this talk is ridiculous. Josh allen isn't your son, he isn't even a kid anymore, he is worth as you said 100s of millions of dollars and you can't change who someone is as a person even if its your own 27 year old son (good luck).

I think most likely allen got his bell rung early in the 1st Q and things spiraled. He actually took multiple hits to the head area this game so you know he was probably under-duress. 

Believe it or not, Allen is not superman. The first head hit he took which looked real bad as he got slung violently to the turf (face first) likely had some affects on him throughout the remainder of the game.  The second smack he took to the helmet was when he double-fumbled the ball. 

I find it much more likely allen's bell was rung than allen just suddenly played the worst game he's ever played and everyone is scratching their heads going 'what was he thinking?!' maybe the reality is that he wasn't thinkin too good -- you know?  Anyways, it is Wednesday folks, it's time to move on to LV Raiders we'll know more about Allen's overall contribution to this teams success as the season unfolds. I don't suspect every game we play is going to look like the jets but we know allen struggles mightily against their D.

There's a reason Diggs was disgusted with him.  And Diggs was right.  It's time to grow up.  It's not just playing like a knucklehead.