83 yard run. Sean McDermott made an interesting comment.

[dorquemada]

  On 9/12/2023 at 8:30 PM, bigduke6 said:

meh,  was a blitz,  and they got caught.  happens all the time.   thats the chance you take with sending extra guys,  thats the difference in Frasier and McD.    Frasier was more careful.   both styles of D have their positives and negatives.   everybody wanted more pressure,  well,  sometimes long plays happen from it.

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was thinking the same thing, and I was one of the guys whining the loudest about Frasier last year, that his D would have held them there to a first down or two then a punt

[Beck Water]

  On 9/12/2023 at 7:51 PM, Simon said:

 

I saw it and am aware of what happened. 

I also know that if he called a timeout every time something like that happened, he'd be out of them in about a quarter.

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This.

 

When McDermott chose a 2nd year player who scarcely saw the field last year to play MLB, he had to know there would be mistakes.

 

In fact he flat out said so.

 

Here's the thing though: at the time that run broke, the score was 3-0. 

After that run broke, the score was 3-3. 

Next series after that run broke, the score was 10-3.  At the half, the score was 13-3.

 

That one long run was neither the difference, nor the problem with the game.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

  On 9/12/2023 at 8:30 PM, bigduke6 said:

meh,  was a blitz,  and they got caught.  happens all the time.   thats the chance you take with sending extra guys,  thats the difference in Frasier and McD.    Frasier was more careful.   both styles of D have their positives and negatives.   everybody wanted more pressure,  well,  sometimes long plays happen from it.

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No it doesn’t. They were in the wrong alignment. 
 

Yes teams get caught on a blitz and give up big plays, but this was a different situation where they lined up wrong. The blitz made it worse.

[Not at the table Karlos]

  On 9/12/2023 at 7:46 PM, Simon said:

 

You want him to call a defensive timeout every time he sees something he doesn't like?

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If it prevents an 80 yard run, yes. 

 

  On 9/12/2023 at 8:04 PM, Logic said:

This. 

These are the growing pains of a second year middle linebacker making his first NFL start after missing all of preseason.

This may seem like pouring salt into already gaping wounds, but...I have a feeling that if Aaron Rodgers had been healthy all game, the Bills defense might have had a loooong night.

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I had complete opposite feeling. Rodgers was getting harassed every play and isn't as mobile as Wilson. I feel we win easily if Rodgers played the whole game. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Do yourself a favor and watch Bernard on that play. 

[jkeerie]

The coaches see a lot more post game when they review the film.  

[MafiaSouth]

It wasn't the alignment as much as it was the idiotic blitz called and the failure to (1). blitz the correct gap (2). maintain that gap and don't run past the event and (3). make the tackle...All three were unforced errors...

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[NoSaint]

  On 9/12/2023 at 7:44 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Just had to get this off my chest because I’m just now listening to some postgame comments.

 

McDermott said they were misaligned on the big 83 yard run.

 

McDermott is never shy about using timeouts, we all know this. It’s kind of a running joke around here. But when he sees his defense outmatched due to alignment he doesn’t call timeout?

 

This is the type of coaching that loses games. 😡

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short of the players still being in the huddle, I’m not sure I’m calling a timeout against a goal line formation inside their own 5. 
 

losing that play for nationally shouldn’t be 80 yards ever. It was the missed gaps, and poor play after the snap at fault.

[Saint Doug]

  On 9/12/2023 at 8:29 PM, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

I was wondering this myself. I didn't think it was possible for a 300+ pound DT to be invisible, but Ford managed it (if he played that is)

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That’s how McD prefers his DTs. Invisible. 

[TD716]

  On 9/12/2023 at 8:17 PM, appoo said:

He was looking for a defensive score

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Did McDermott think jets were going to let Wilson drop into the end zone and pass, I don’t think so. 

[zow2]

  On 9/12/2023 at 7:53 PM, Chaos said:

Why don’t we break 83 yard runs against other teams?  Do they get out of alignment too?

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Don’t worry.  Cook will break through an arm tackle this weekend to take one to the house 83 yards 😜

[DaggersEOD]

  On 9/12/2023 at 8:15 PM, DrDawkinstein said:

 

We pretty much got to him on every play he was in, right?

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  On 9/12/2023 at 8:23 PM, Limeaid said:

 

Four plays; each time.

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IMO we were geared up and aligned for a game where Rodgers was slinging it all game. It was all about QB pressure/hits and it seemingly worked too well. 
 

We never expected him to be out at all, let alone so soon. If he was in, there was no way they were going to rely on the run. He was the star, they were going to lean on him come heck or high water. 
 

As soon as he was out, the Jets “put on a tourniquet” went back to their fundamentals, which are strong, and obviously found some success. 
 

I also think we’re built to have a lead, but that implies passing/abandoning the run. This odd circumstances made that impossible for the jests, and I believe we were caught flat footed. 
 

Like we focused on the passing calls/alignments and didn’t review the running reads as much for the new guy. 
 

I think we will only get better. 

[cgg716]

He can call it the alignment if he wants, it's the scheme, undersized but quick for pass coverage purposes, too undersized to stop the run. Been exactly the same thing since year 1, an undisciplined bunch, running a scheme that the league adjusted to 20+ years ago. The constant failure of a defensive coach to adjust and change is an even bigger red flag than everything happening on offense 

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

  On 9/12/2023 at 7:56 PM, Simon said:

 

Of course they do occasionally; if you're runplay is called to the specific gap that is poorly covered and oth your LB and S misplay it also, then we could end up wiht an 83 yrd run.

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😂

 

Im dying at the thought that the Bills could pull off an 83 yard run in this regime…mis-alignment or not.  

[GunnerBill]

If he had calles timeout every time they were misaligned in the first half last night he'd have needed about a dozen. They were better 2nd half and getting things lined up is an area where I think Bernard needed those reps he missed pre-season. I am willing to give him some time on that.

[Beck Water]

  On 9/12/2023 at 10:52 PM, GunnerBill said:

If he had calles timeout every time they were misaligned in the first half last night he'd have needed about a dozen. They were better 2nd half and getting things lined up is an area where I think Bernard needed those reps he missed pre-season. I am willing to give him some time on that.

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Agree.

 

And one of two things will happen.  Either Bernard will get it together, and quickly - or Bernard will be benched for Kirksey.  Having decided (apparently) that Dodson was not going to handle the pressure of being QB of the Defense with poise, the Bills pivoted to develop a Plan C.

[appoo]

  On 9/12/2023 at 10:16 PM, Saint Doug said:

That’s how McD prefers his DTs. Invisible. 

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When you play Gap Control, you often get lost to live viewers because all you're going is taking up space. The reality is a good gap control DT moves 1 blocker, and impacts a 2nd blocker, while only moving half a yard left or right to take control of a gap. 

 

This isn't to say that Poona had a good or bad game, but if you want to grade, you're really going to have to review the tape. That's not something that will pop during live action. 

  On 9/12/2023 at 11:05 PM, Beck Water said:

 

 

Agree.

 

And one of two things will happen.  Either Bernard will get it together, and quickly - or Bernard will be benched for Kirksey.  Having decided (apparently) that Dodson was not going to handle the pressure of being QB of the Defense with poise, the Bills pivoted to develop a Plan C.

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So Bernard played a crap ton of both man and zone coverage, something probably even Edmunds couldn't do. Asking Kirksey to play any kind of coverage is gonna get you in a world of trouble. He's an emergency use backer when we want 3 backers out there. 

 

My guess is that Terrell will grade out well in coverage

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[bobobonators]

  On 9/12/2023 at 7:48 PM, TD716 said:

He blitzed the whole second level of the defense on that play. I agree we should be more aggressive compared to the last few years but there is no way Zach Wilson is driving 95 yards for a score

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on a positive, I felt the defense was pretty good yesterday. Even against Rodgers for 4 plays lol. 
 

The TD by Wilson was a complete circus catch. 

[appoo]

  On 9/12/2023 at 11:18 PM, bobobonators said:

on a positive, I felt the defense was pretty good yesterday. Even against Rodgers for 4 plays lol. 
 

The TD by Wilson was a complete circus catch. 

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All 3 Rodgers' drop backs he was running for his life. Maybe not an Achilles, but he wasn't going to finish that game, and honestly playing an ultra conservative game plan with Wilson probably played out better than Rodgers dropping back and passing without max protect. Now would the Jets have gone to that conservative game plan with Rodgers in the game? I wouldn't trust Hackett any further than I could pick him up and throw him

  On 9/12/2023 at 10:19 PM, TD716 said:

Did McDermott think jets were going to let Wilson drop into the end zone and pass, I don’t think so. 

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If they were, it would have been first down

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[The Frankish Reich]

  On 9/12/2023 at 7:48 PM, TD716 said:

He blitzed the whole second level of the defense on that play. I agree we should be more aggressive compared to the last few years but there is no way Zach Wilson is driving 95 yards for a score

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That was symptomatic of the entire night. As soon as Rodgers went down, the game plan - offense and defense - needed to take that into account. There was no reason to believe that the Jets would hit even 20 points with Wilson at QB, and of course they only made it to 16 in regulation, with an assist from Josh Allen