Do the Bills need a " Quarterback Whisperer?"

[TheBrownBear]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

Burrows lets the game come to him.  Burrows also has a HC/OC who make sure he has easy answers.

 

Mahomes has had this problem in his time, and he grew out of it.

 

It looked for a while as though Josh were growing out of it.  There have been games where Josh was very patient, very focused on taking what the defense gave him.  I don't know what's changed.

He pretty much reached perfection in that playoff game against the Pats.  He continually checked the ball down to his backs and tight ends, and that ended up loosening everything up on the back end for the big plays to Davis, Knox and Sanders later on.  I thought the lightbulb had really gone on and I expected huge things from him going forward, which was validated in his performance the next week in KC.  But he's gone away from that once Daboll left and it seems to be getting worse and worse the further we get away from that "peak" at the end of 2021.

[NoSaint]

16 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Joe Brady is the Bills QB coach.

 

Joe Brady is on the sideline with Josh during the game

 

Just a little reminder that none of us know what is going on as far as coaches laying into Josh.  They are not obligated (and in fact it is better if they don't) lay into Josh in public where you and I can see it.

 

 

We all know that both can occur.  This isn't either or

im very curious about the joe Brady-Josh relationship compared to his past with Dorsey under daboll for instance. 
 

I think we’ve seen in several moments the man is totally alone and not being prepared when we flash to the sideline during adversity 

 

let’s get a clip of Josh heaving a tablet because he’s disgusted by what the coach is showing him, right? Or talking him down cause it’s a night that he doesn’t have to be the star anymore. He played like he was trying to outdo Rodgers in a race to 35 in prime time instead of coasting out a 2 score win vs a hapless qb 17-6

Edited September 12, 2023 by NoSaint

[3rdand12]

1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:

 

I definitely think he felt the need to make up for his first mistake, and that's an underlying problem with Josh. When he makes an error, he wants to make up for it but he presses too much in trying to amend the error, rather than accepting it and moving on.

 

Interestingly, listening to the Orlovsky interview on the Bills site, he says they need a "Get Josh settled down" section on the playbook. I think that's what Daboll was better at than Dorsey.

I have mentioned my opinion about keeping a mentor in his ear on the sideline. I have not seen that, and or maybe Bills need to change up the message from said Mentor during the game.

Josh has highs and lows. We all know about that.

But during the game? He might just need a channel to listen and redirect his energies

 get the tablet out each play and show him the open receivers underneath etc

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, UKBillFan said:

 

It's difficult because what can you say to him? You're going to bench him? Trade him? Fine him? Possibly the latter. The other two options aren't truly there at the moment.

 

Yesterday does feel like a watershed moment. During previous games where he struggled, there have been excuses - particularly a poor O Line and dropped catches. Last night  the O Line was ok and, as far as I can recall, no one dropped a catch. This is the first game where there is no mitigation. It is ALL on him. Where does he go from here? Does he bounce back or completely fall apart? Five days to find out.

 

We'll, you're asking the wrong person, I'm of the mind that one of McD's major coaching flaws is that he's not a good disciplinarian.  He's to much of a "players coach.". 

 

 

[Believer]

5 minutes ago, Aimee75 said:

Oh please, after the payday he went on to put up stats close to his 3rd year breakout, and his best playoff performance ever, and 13 seconds away from a 2nd straight AFCCG.

 

We all want a Super Bowl, and he has shown he can get them there, but it is a team effort and it can't ALL be on him. Only one happy team at the end of every season. I want a SB title more than anything, but it might never happen. Just like it may never happen for Burrow or Herbert. Doesn't diminish their talent.

Agree with you… (Add Prescott to your list)… 
 

Beane hasn’t built a winning offense yet to support Allen… OL is average… No reliable running game… Diggs needs another WR.

 

Challenge is the window is starting to close on this roster… Handful of prime years left.

[NoSaint]

1 minute ago, 3rdand12 said:

I have mentioned my opinion about keeping a mentor in his ear on the sideline. I have not seen that, and or maybe Bills need to change up the message from said Mentor during the game.

Josh has highs and lows. We all know about that.

But during the game? He might just need a channel to listen and redirect his energies

 get the tablet out each play and show him the open receivers underneath etc

I’d be very curious to learn about that support system with McD calling plays now, and Dorsey upstairs. 
 

what’s the infrastructure around Josh on the sideline? 

[Returntoglory]

Josh needs help. Bottom line. McD has no balls to get in his face, nor the offensive experience to do so. Our window is closing and Josh is regressing six years into his career, NOT a good sign. 

 

He should have been better prepared last night but he was not

 

Enough of this BS, it needs to be addressed and addressed NOW!

Edited September 12, 2023 by Returntoglory

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, PBF81 said:

 

We'll, you're asking the wrong person, I'm of the mind that one of McD's major coaching flaws is that he's not a good disciplinarian.  He's to much of a "players coach.". 

 

 

 

I think that can be seen with Milano's taunting call. That's inexcusable and pushed the offense back at the end of the half. An extra 15 yards and maybe they could have got a TD on the board before the break, and possibly settle Josh down rather than see him have a meltdown in the second half.

 

But different people react differently. Some require a dressing down, some need a gentle reminder. It's about getting it right for each player.

[3rdand12]

3 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

im very curious about the joe Brady-Josh relationship compared to his past with Dorsey under daboll for instance. 
 

I think we’ve seen in several moments the man is totally alone and not being prepared when we flash to the sideline during adversity 

 

let’s get a clip of Josh heaving a tablet because he’s disgusted by what the coach is showing him, right? Or talking him down cause it’s a night that he doesn’t have to be the star anymore. He played like he was trying to outdo Rodgers in a race to 35 in prime time instead of coasting out a 2 score win vs a hapless qb 17-6

I owe you a fine heffe weiss. or a simple Leffe.
 Someone mentioned the myriad of very good Coaches on this team. Shula perhaps might be better fit to get Josh to be the best Josh he can be.

 

Love the Kid

 feel bad for his struggles. not just the win loss column either

[NoSaint]

1 minute ago, Believer said:

Agree with you… (Add Prescott to your list)… 
 

Beane hasn’t built a winning offense yet to support Allen… OL is average… No reliable running game… Diggs needs another WR.

 

Challenge is the window is starting to close on this roster… Handful of prime years left.

the challenge is the easy years are already gone. Now we are in the grind of always a contender but some rookie qb has extra weapons all around him. 

[FireChans]

6 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

im very curious about the joe Brady-Josh relationship compared to his past with Dorsey under daboll for instance. 
 

I think we’ve seen in several moments the man is totally alone and not being prepared when we flash to the sideline during adversity 

 

let’s get a clip of Josh heaving a tablet because he’s disgusted by what the coach is showing him, right? Or talking him down cause it’s a night that he doesn’t have to be the star anymore. He played like he was trying to outdo Rodgers in a race to 35 in prime time instead of coasting out a 2 score win vs a hapless qb 17-6

Why is no one ever talking to Josh on the sideline after a mistake?

 

It could be intentional by the coverage teams. To pan to him when he’s alone. But I swear, the last time I saw so many shots of a QB isolated to the rest from the rest of his team, it was after the story broke that everyone on the Jets hated Zach Wilson.

[Airseven]

13 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Daboll has no magic.  He was gifted the #3 QB in the NFL.  

 

Now, with a bum at QB, he's exposed.

Exposed as coach of the year.

[msw2112]

4 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

I agree.

 

I fully recognize that it sounds ridiculous and there is little (or perhaps zero) precedence for it, but we should have let McDermott go and kept Daboll. 

His team was very impressive against Dallas the other night.

 

[Beck Water]

10 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

im very curious about the joe Brady-Josh relationship compared to his past with Dorsey under daboll for instance.

 

I don't think it's as good.   Josh has talked about Brady being a great "Xs and Os" guy.  In 2019, he also talked about how helpful it was to have Ken Dorsey, someone who has played QB.  Reading between the lines, Josh may need the input of someone who has been out there with 300 lb guys trying to flatten him every play, someone who has felt the urge to be a hero.

I have seen shots of Josh on the sideline with Joe Brady going over a tablet.

Maybe someone who was there at the game on the Bills sideline can comment, but keep in mind what we see on the broadcast is often a snapshot, and doesn't reflect the majority of the time.  So just because we see Josh on the bench by himself for a moment doesn't mean he stays that way.  And it may be known that after he FU, he wants half a minute to gather himself.

 

Edited September 12, 2023 by Beck Water

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

I’d be very curious to learn about that support system with McD calling plays now, and Dorsey upstairs. 
 

what’s the infrastructure around Josh on the sideline? 

 

I think 3rdand12 alluded to it, either on this or the "grow up" thread, but we barely see any support structure around him whenever the camera switches to the sidelines. It was a bit of a surprise to see Diggs speaking to him when the camera switched before overtime. Perhaps it was previously decided he needs to be left alone with his thoughts; if so, I feel this needs to be revisited. If need be, switch Brady and Dorsey - put Brady in the booth to watch for patterns on the field and relay them back to Dorsey, and have Dorsey beside Josh where he used to be.

[3rdand12]

10 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I’d be very curious to learn about that support system with McD calling plays now, and Dorsey upstairs. 
 

what’s the infrastructure around Josh on the sideline? 

Agreed

How is this business being run ?

 The results beg the question. This is a carry over from last season it seems.

 Just one game. yes. But some form of triage might be appropriate after the Jets

Edited September 12, 2023 by 3rdand12

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

Do the Bills need a " Quarterback?"

 

 

fixed the title for ya 😉 

[3rdand12]

3 minutes ago, msw2112 said:

His team was very impressive against Dallas the other night.

 

lets see who corrects course first

 

but really, they have no QB  lol

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, Returntoglory said:

Josh is on a collision course with living up to his pre-draft expectations. 

I think I heard the word "regressed" about 20x today from various media outlets.

[Beck Water]

4 hours ago, DapperCam said:

Isn’t that supposed to be Joe Brady? If Dorsey is still floundering halfway through the season, I’m assuming he will be the interim OC.

 

That would likely be Mike Shula as interim OC if needed, not Joe Brady.