Do the Bills need a " Quarterback Whisperer?"

[NoSaint]

2 minutes ago, BillsUberAlles said:

 

I thought he looked fine other than the dumb decisions. This was an elite D FYI. Very few teams have the personnel to do that to us.

it’s good perspective and also why I’ve echoed it was a handful of plays and we are still a contender…

 

that said, they have to figure out this piece with overcoming adversity against the best if they intend to win 3 playoff games and a Super Bowl ever

[BobbyC81]

3 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Fitz?  Mr Aggressive Pick 6?  That's your choice to keep Josh in check?

 

I do think that Dorsey, a former college and NFL QB, was helpful to keeping Josh focused.  I think Kyle Allen is too much of a buddy and too junior to be able to rein Josh in or to be able to pick out what the defense is doing.

 

That's supposedly Joe Brady's job, but I felt the role Dorsey filled was absent this year.

I recall seeing former WR coach Chad Hall sitting with Josh over the previous couple of years and showing him things on a tablet.  He surprisingly made a lateral move to Jacksonville when his contract ended.

 

We also shouldn’t overlook any prior contributions from Davis Webb, who is now the QB coach for Denver.  In previous seasons, the QB room has included the likes of Webb, Barkley and Keenum and now has Josh’s mildly experienced Buddy in Kyle Allen and a young Buechele, who is new to the team.

[NoSaint]

7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Diggs seems to be the only one with any energy…. Josh looked like a scared puppy all night.

but that doesn’t even have to mean hyped up energy. Like Josh needed to get balanced and swap out of dueling Rodgers into grinding out Wilson. 
 

14 points wins last night if there are no turnovers in their own end. That’s much different than trying to get to 30 against an elite team because Rodgers might blow up your defense. Josh was still chasing 30 with some manic energy after Rodgers went out. Someone needed to remind him it’s a game where you get the first and go out of bounds. You fall on the botched snap. So on and so forth. Someone needed to rewire his approach pretty early. 

Edited September 13, 2023 by NoSaint

[Dan in Owego]

7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

He was skittish all game I thought….really didn’t look like the elite Josh we’ve seen at all.

He looked to me like he was on some kind of sugar high and he just couldn't settle down. I got no idea if this will be a trend or he can reel it back in and fly right going forward. no good to have the most impressive stallion in the pasture if it keeps busting through the fence time after time.

[Airseven]

13 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Diggs seems to be the only one with any energy…. Josh looked like a scared puppy all night.

Those pudgy, rosy cheeks and vacant stare did not inspire confidence. Even Diggs was gentle when he finally came over and tried to encourage him in the fourth quarter. 

[Dukestreetking]

I hope The Whisperer can get this guy back.

 

 

[Dan in Owego]

6 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

It’s why I’d prefer an experienced offensive coach… Dorsey doesn’t really come off as a coach who can talk Josh off the ledge.

You may be right, but it's year 6 Josh shouldn't need this guidance. I like some of Ken's concepts on offense so not quite ready to throw him aside just yet, i think Sean needs to be the one to get in his ear. Maybe McDermott isn't the right head coach as well hard to imagine this happening over and over with someone like Sean Payton

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Can Allen read a defense? 

 

That's on the table for me. 

 

Because no way he is understanding what he's seeing. 

 

He's erratic. For every miracle flip to Murray to salvage 3rd-9, he then tries to run up the middle and takes a huge shot to the ribs. 

[BillsUberAlles]

54 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

He was skittish all game I thought….really didn’t look like the elite Josh we’ve seen at all.

 

Not sure any QB will look great against that Jet D...they have elite talent at every level.

[DeltaDigital]

2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Because Daboll had the Giants so ready to perform on Sunday? 

Daboll doesnt have 1/10 the talent this roster has. It's not arguable that since daboll left, allen has regressed. 

[DeltaDigital]

4 hours ago, Bferra13 said:

Everytime I hear the word "dabs" I throw up a bit in my throat. 

 

He might available after this year though if he sinks the ship with Daniel Jones at the helm.

they should run with a giant sack of money to re-hire him. 

[Bangarang]

What’s David Lee up to these days? 

[Fan in Chicago]

1 minute ago, Bangarang said:

What’s David Lee up to these days? 

Is Matt Barkley QB coach material? The dynamics between Allen and him in the past should give an indication if Barkley can be more helpful than Joe Brady. We cannot change the OC just yet and Allen is the bigger issue. If we can somehow start small,  replace the QB coach,  Allen may turn the corner.  Won't be immediate but that's okay as long as we can squeak into the playoffs

[Beck Water]

19 minutes ago, DeltaDigital said:

Daboll doesnt have 1/10 the talent this roster has. It's not arguable that since daboll left, allen has regressed. 

 

OK, I think it is arguable and so do a number of other folks here.  Josh had good games in 2022, including early wins over the Rams, Titans, Ravens, Steelers, and a solid solid game vs. the Chiefs plus a 6 game win streak on an injured throwing elbow.

 

He had some miserable games in 2021, including Pitts home opener, loss to the Titans where we couldn't move the ball in the 2nd half, miserable loss to Jacksonville, first half of the eventual overtime loss to Tampa. 

 

It's nowhere near as clear cut as you make it seem.

 

Daboll arguably has a less talented roster than the Bills, but any team that won 9 games last season and made the playoffs, then improved in the off season has more than 10% of the talent the top teams have. 

 

The point is, they played the Cowboys tough and lost by a single score 2x last season, the core of that team is back, and yet they got their asses whipped on Sunday.  That's on coaching IMHO not entirely on roster talent.

 

Plus we have all kinds of people fretting and fuming that we lost Hodgins to the Giants and traded them Basham for a bag of peanuts.

 

8 minutes ago, DeltaDigital said:

they should run with a giant sack of money to re-hire him. 

 

Yeah, now you're just trolling.

Edited September 13, 2023 by Beck Water

[DeltaDigital]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

OK, I think it is arguable and so do a number of other folks here.  Josh had good games in 2022, including early wins over the Rams, Titans, Ravens, Steelers, and a solid solid game vs. the Chiefs plus a 6 game win streak on an injured throwing elbow.

 

He had some miserable games in 2021, including Pitts home opener, loss to the Titans where we couldn't move the ball in the 2nd half, miserable loss to Jacksonville, first half of the eventual overtime loss to Tampa. 

 

It's nowhere near as clear cut as you make it seem.

 

Daboll arguably has a less talented roster than the Bills, but any team that won 9 games last season and made the playoffs, then improved in the off season has more than 10% of the talent the top teams have. 

 

The point is, they played the Cowboys tough and lost by a single score 2x last season, the core of that team is back, and yet they got their asses whipped on Sunday.  That's on coaching IMHO not entirely on roster talent.

 

Plus we have all kinds of people fretting and fuming that we lost Hodgins to the Giants and traded them Basham for a bag of peanuts.

Stats don't lie breh. Allen had ZERO redzone turnovers till daboll left, and he leads the league in turnovers since daboll left. 

None of the losses you mentioned with as egregeous as him, lastnight, HANDING ZACH WILSON ANOTHER W. 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

By “QB whisperer” do you mean to say “good head coach”

[RyanC883]

5 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

I didn't really like Daboll as a coordinator, but he definitely did a better job keeping Allen grounded.  Personally, I think two things...

 

1. They need to hire someone for the sidelines that can keep Allen grounded or find an OC than can and fire Dorsey. The QB coach and Dorsey are not getting this job done.

 

2. I think they are trying too hard to coach Allen out of Allen with regards to him running with the football.  I understand the injury risk but now I think he thinks too much about not running and that is not only going to get him hurt because of his fighting himself thinking about it and not committing to running and also he now is forcing the ball more often than he would have been because he would have took off and run for a first down instead.

 

wrt running, just have him slide.  tell him run all you want, but slide unless the game is on the line.  Also, he is likely to get hit a few times sliding and its 15 free yards. 

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

it’s good perspective and also why I’ve echoed it was a handful of plays and we are still a contender…

 

that said, they have to figure out this piece with overcoming adversity against the best if they intend to win 3 playoff games and a Super Bowl ever

 

bingo on the last part.  the “it’s a good D excuse” is bonkers.  Guess what teams you play in the postseason or SB will have. a good D. 

[Utah John]

7 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

I agree.

 

I fully recognize that it sounds ridiculous and there is little (or perhaps zero) precedence for it, but we should have let McDermott go and kept Daboll. 

I really don't think so.  Daboll's ability as a HC is still in question.  He's a great OC though, and the Bills certainly miss him.

[longtimebillsfan]

12 hours ago, Returntoglory said:

Who is with JA on the sidelines to keep his head in check? To talk him down or talk him up?

 

It's obvious to everyone that Josh has free reign to do what he pleases with apparently no restrictions.

 

Crazy high-risk throws and disregard for his body. McD does not seem to talk with him during the game.

 

I say bring someone in that states by his side and keeps his head in check.

 

Fitz would be a perfect candidate!

Actually, on one such Allen run you could see McDermott pointing to his head and mouthing "use your head".

 

Josh just ignores what the coaches tell him.

 

I believe this is the way Josh will be throughout the remainder of his career.

[Dr.Sack]

He needs to stop losing winnable games. Note when up 7 let the other Allen close out the game by handing off the ball.