Do You Still "TRUST THE PROCESS"?

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Gunner I don't disagree with anything you've said in this thread. The loss falls almost exclusively on Josh. But I sometimes get the sense that Dorsey is feeding into those bad habits. The 2nd INT is a good example. That was clearly a designed shot play. Sherfield was supposed to take Whitehead's attention to give Diggs a 1v1 downfield - I'm sure Whitehead got a kick out of that. He smartly ignored Sherfield and drifted backwards into the window of the obvious shot play.

 

So the first thing about this play is that Allen should not have thrown the ball, everyone agrees with that. It's on him to identify that Whitehead didn't bite on Sherfield and either throw the ball away or eat the sack. But we're in a close game against a backup QB where one more FG probably wins the game and Dorsey dials up a shot play for his hyped up arm arrogance QB. Don't you think that is a little bit of a poor coaching job there, while also acknowledging that it is still primarily Josh's fault?

 

I have made criticisms of Dorsey going back to the middle of last season. I'm far from sold on him as a coordinator. I put myself through the pain of the all-22 of that game last night and I really struggled to come up with anything Dorsey could have done much different other than just totally take the ball out of his hands and run Cook / Harris / Murray from the moment of the 2nd pick. The decision making was bafflingly bad. Forget the 3 picks for a moment. There are at least half a dozen other plays where you just scratch your head and ask WTF is he thinking? So to get into the minutiae of play calling from this game just feels like such a side show. 

[boyst]

12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Then he has to play like it. 

Of course. And I am not sure if Sunday was a bad game or part of a trend but he has been regressing over a period of over a year now. 

[MJS]

I'm a firm supporter of Beane and McDermott. They've earned our trust, in my opinion, and I don't think they deserve even half the criticism they get.

 

So, yes. I trust the process. I feel like perhaps a lot of fans don't watch other teams and don't see the blunders that happen by even the best the NFL has to offer, and they have this unrealistic expectation of perfection that just doesn't exist as a possibility in the NFL.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, boyst said:

Of course. And I am not sure if Sunday was a bad game or part of a trend but he has been regressing over a period of over a year now. 

 

I think it is just under a year, but since the middle of last season he has played basically one great Josh Allen game - Miami home in the regular season. Everything else has been scratchy. 

 

I think undoubtedly there are multiple contributory factors to that. I certainly don't absolve coaching for all of it. I do think Monday was pretty much solely on Josh. The overall decline in his play you have to look deeper - at the impact that 2 years behind a ***** line has had, at the scheme, at the coaching structure around him.... but I do think there is something off with Josh Allen. At the moment he does not look capable of being the generational talent we know he can be. I maintain that there is something away from the football field that is affecting the kid. He doesn't sound the same. Watch his post Jacksonville presser from 2021 when he was furious with how he had played. Watch the presser from Monday and it was like he was resigned to it. I think he needs a shrink more than a coach. 

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, MJS said:

I'm a firm supporter of Beane and McDermott. They've earned our trust, in my opinion, and I don't think they deserve even half the criticism they get.

 

So, yes. I trust the process. I feel like perhaps a lot of fans don't watch other teams and don't see the blunders that happen by even the best the NFL has to offer, and they have this unrealistic expectation of perfection that just doesn't exist as a possibility in the NFL.

 

I’m with you, behind our GM and HC for now. But the process used to put more value on coordinators. We recently had a former HC as DC and a future HC as OC. Now we have no DC, a stretched HC and a new(ish) OC who has proven little to date. 

 

It seems there may be a bit of a brain drain, but Josh getting his head together is the critical issue. 

 

[boyst]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think it is just under a year, but since the middle of last season he has played basically one great Josh Allen game - Miami home in the regular season. Everything else has been scratchy. 

 

I think undoubtedly there are multiple contributory factors to that. I certainly don't absolve coaching for all of it. I do think Monday was pretty much solely on Josh. The overall decline in his play you have to look deeper - at the impact that 2 years behind a ***** line has had, at the scheme, at the coaching structure around him.... but I do think there is something off with Josh Allen. At the moment he does not look capable of being the generational talent we know he can be. I maintain that there is something away from the football field that is affecting the kid. He doesn't sound the same. Watch his post Jacksonville presser from 2021 when he was furious with how he had played. Watch the presser from Monday and it was like he was resigned to it. I think he needs a shrink more than a coach. 

I had noticed something and hadn't been sure. This maybe the nail on the head.

[HIT BY SPIKES]

5 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

I never really did trust the process . I always felt like McBeane are like a couple politicians big talk no real action. I realize they are builders but not real architects meaning they can take a program and turn it around with basics like culture and being very organized instilling work ethic etc etc basically the really good at the small things we don’t see on a day to day basis . 
 

What there not good at is obvious and no one can tell me anything different it is asset management and drafting. The 2017 draft was constructed by Whaley and his scouting staff as well as the free agent period we hit jackpots on Tre, Dion, Milano and in free agency we got Hyde & Poyer . Till this day these guys are still foundational pieces for this organization. In 2018 Beane got his chance at the draft and also started with a bang drafting the likes of Allen, Edmunds, Taron and Teller . But the problem started in the upcoming draft starting in 2019 let’s take a look . 
 

2019 draft 

1st rd Ed Oliver - has turned out to be the worst of a great class of DTs as all the players drafted after him in the first are much better then him Wilkins, Lawrence & Simmons are all studs . 
 

2nd rd -Cody Ford Bust we also traded up for this bust so it hurt more then 1 Pk 

 

3rd Singletary - obvious bkup caliber running  bk 

 

3rd Knox - probably the best Pk in this draft 

the rest of this draft are all out of the league.

 

2020 I call this one JAG CITY!

 

2nd rd Epenesa - Jag

3rd rd Moss  - bkup caliber  🗑 

4th rd Gabe - good #2 Wr best Pk of draft

5th - Bass good kicker

6th - Hodgins solid Wr good role player on another team

7th Dane Jackson - solid #2 CB 

 

A bunch of singles no home runs and it’s about to get worse in upcoming drafts. 
 

2021 - It’s about to get Worse 😂 

 

1st - Rouse - So far he’s grown every yr and might be headed for pro bowl considerations this yr easily the best Pk of this draft . 

 

2nd Boogie- Major Bust

3rd Spencer Brown- Horrible starting RT more suited for bkup role

5th - Tommy Doyle 🗑 

6th- Stevenson 🗑 

6th - Hamlin bkup at best

6th- Wildgoose 🗑 

7th- Anderson 🗑 

 

this draft was a disaster other then Rouse 

 

2022

1st- Elam so far he’s in street clothes not a good sign 

 

2nd Cook- I know he starts but he’s not a starter in this league he’s more suited for pass catching work essentially he’s a 3rd down back even his college team knew this somehow the Bills didn’t get the memo . Btw can’t break a tackle if his life depends on it. 

3rd Bernard- Undersized more like tweener type player seen him get abused by TEs against the Jets not a hood sign .

 

5th Shakir - Might have talent but so far role player 

 

6th- Benford So far he’s the best Pk of this draft looks like a good player that can play in this league . 
 

6th Tenuta 🗑 

7th Spector 🗑 

 

Now these drafts are less then average after the 2018 draft seems like at best a bunch of role players . Basically McBeane is the Ichiro Suzuki of NFL draft they get on base but no home runs . But he’s more like the older version of Ichiro not the hof version, 😂.  
 

Basically these guys have peaked at there build of this team. We need someone to come in a add to what they have done to finish the job. We need to get a regime that can build a wall in front of Allen protect him give him some difference makers which this team is lacking big time. We need an offensive minded head coach that can properly manage lead Josh Allen to reaching his potential. We need real running backs that are big strong 3 down backs not these bkup caliber players McBeane has brought us at the position. Seems like every running back they bring here is either old and past there primes or just small and underwhelming like Singletary and Cook . McBeane is the worst regime I ever seen at scouting running back talent in Bills history.  No so I don’t buy in on the process I would actually love to see the process shipped out! 

 

I agree.

 

Does Terry Pegula have the stomach for this change given the circumstances?

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

5 hours ago, uticaclub said:

The Process got us from 7-9 forever to contenders. The Process peaked, getting blown out in the AFCC, and we have regressed yearly. There was no contingency plan, and the team will continue to regress until we blow it up and start in a new direction.

BUT WHAT IS THE PROCESS!!!!! I need to KNOW!!!  😱

[CaliBills]

woooweeee 

Can't wait to overturn GM and HC again and become bottom of the AFC East yet again.....

 

 

[HIT BY SPIKES]

7 minutes ago, CaliBills said:

woooweeee 

Can't wait to overturn GM and HC again and become bottom of the AFC East yet again.....

 

 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

Yes, the process is working.  Didn't the announcer say we had the second best record overalll for the last 3 years.  We'll be good this year as well.

[Fan in Chicago]

11 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Based on what? I don't think it is coaching. Josh has always been an impulsive football player. It was one of the things I didn't like on hi Wyoming tape he was so instinctive I didn't always see evidence that he could win his brain. There was a period in 2020 however when he seemed master of all he commanded. I just fear we haven't seen that for some time. Could it be that coaching has 'caused' a regression? I mean it could but I am not sold that there is any real evidence to support that. I think the impulsiveness of Josh as a personality is just taking over. Almost like Mr Hyde is breaking out over the cerebral De Jekyll. That impulsiveness has always been there. It is controlling his mind that I think we need to address. I'd start with a psychologist not a football coach. 

 

I also think, and I have said this elsewhere, that there is something outside of football going on at the moment. He looked like a zombie in the playoff loss to Cincy and it was the same on Monday. I remember when Josh would get mad at himself about mistakes. Or he'd get flustered. We are not even seeing that at the moment we are seeing a guy who mentally just doesn't look dialled in, doesn't sound dialled in when he speaks. His post game presser was odd. I'm not saying it is the Hollywood girlfriend or anything else specifically. I don't know. But something is off with him. 

 

Agree, so would I. But I'm not sure moving on from the coaching staff if we have a Quarterback issue this season should be the answer either. We have to find solutions. 

Agree word for word. I am done with this "coaching is the only thing holding us back". It did in the 13 second game but not since the GB game last year. 

[Joe Ferguson]

Wimpy McD set the tone by kicking a field goal deep in Jets territory on 4th and short. You have a 6'-5" monster unicorn as your QB and Wimpy McD decided to wimp out! This forced Allen to play hero ball. Wimpy McD will  forever be a useless coach playing scared and playing not to lose. 

[PBF81]

On 9/12/2023 at 12:37 PM, HIT BY SPIKES said:

(4) Do you still TRUST THE PROCESSTM?

 

What even is "The Process"?

 

Has it ever been defined?

 

Seems as if it's always been a phrase that McD threw out there whenever things didn't go right or acceptably.  

 

Kinda difficult to trust something when you haven't even been informed as to what it is.  

 

AKA, just trust me, everything will be fine.  

 

 

[HIT BY SPIKES]

6 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

What even is "The Process"?

 

Has it ever been defined?

 

Seems as if it's always been a phrase that McD threw out there whenever things didn't go right or acceptably.  

 

Kinda difficult to trust something when you haven't even been informed as to what it is.  

 

AKA, just trust me, everything will be fine.  

 

 

 

Defining "The Process" would only result in more accountability of the regime.

 

Why would they want to do that?

 

 

[PBF81]

8 minutes ago, HIT BY SPIKES said:

Defining "The Process" would only result in more accountability of the regime.

 

Why would they want to do that?

 

Exactly!

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

On 9/12/2023 at 9:42 AM, MAJBobby said:

I think we have a very good FO.

 

I am unsure about the HC

 

I have no issues with the Ownership

 

 

I like Pegula & Beane.  I was done with Sean after 13 seconds.  That game showed me all I want to know about his in game flaws.  And besides I never trust anyone who requires a slogan (trust the process) to get their point across. 

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

On 9/12/2023 at 12:46 PM, dorquemada said:

Yeah this team isn't going to win because of McD, but rather despite him.

 

The league has figured out Allen. 

 

The league has figured out that the Bills statistically dominant D can be run against and always gets soft in crunch time

 

Beane has largely refused to address the OL (maybe a little better this year?  wouldnt know from last night) but keeps spending high draft picks on gimmick players and stockpiling middling D linemen

 

McD is an old skool defensive minded coach playing checkers and everyone else is creating 4D chess offenses.

 

Long story short, yeah they might backdoor into the playoffs this year but unless Allen gets his head strait 8-9 wins is probably the ceiling, and we're right back to the middle draft slot trap

 

The league has figured out Allen? He had 42 combined TD's last year, just nonsense, we have a gunslinger who is sometimes annoyingly careless with the ball. You have to take the good with the bad, it's just going to happen but figured out? We were also 13-3 despite a bunch of obstacles. 

 

 

[HIT BY SPIKES]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I like Pegula & Beane.  I was done with Sean after 13 seconds.  That game showed me all I want to know about his in game flaws.  And besides I never trust anyone who requires a slogan (trust the process) to get their point across. 

 

Can I ask you what you like about Pegula?

[QCity]

7 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

What even is "The Process"?

 

Has it ever been defined?

 

That phrase is nothing more than marketing speak for a rebuild. That's it. Nothing more. 

 

It was first used over 10 years ago when the 76ers new GM wanted to rebuild and dealt away their only All-Star, Jrue Holiday. The Philly fanbase was apoplectic, and the "Trust The Process" slogan was used to comfort their nerves and calm them down (of course it also became a rallying cry).

 

The same thing happened here when we jettisoned Dareus and Watkins - our fanbase had a complete meltdown and the phrase was used to settle everyone down akin to waving shiny keys in front of a crying infant. It's not a secret, next-level plan or some mystical force.

 

P.S. 11 years later the 76ers still haven't reached the title game.