Jonathan Taylor... NOW!

[Alphadawg7]

5 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

You can't discount or ignore his 83 yard run. 

 

I mean that's like saying Allen played pretty good if you don't take into account his 4 turnovers.

 

Who is discounting it...but facts are facts.  If not for one blown assignment, Hall didn't do a whole lot in that game and neither did any of the Jets RB's.  Point is, the rush D was pretty good had it not given up a big run on a blown assignment making me not very worried about our defense.  

 

If our defense holds a team to under 2 yards per carry for every running play during a game at the expense of giving up 3 points off one big run, I will take that 100% of the time.  

[newcam2012]

31 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Who is discounting it...but facts are facts.  If not for one blown assignment, Hall didn't do a whole lot in that game and neither did any of the Jets RB's.  Point is, the rush D was pretty good had it not given up a big run on a blown assignment making me not very worried about our defense.  

 

If our defense holds a team to under 2 yards per carry for every running play during a game at the expense of giving up 3 points off one big run, I will take that 100% of the time.  

I get that but your logic is flawed. You can't excuse or minimize the 83 yard run. It gets included in the stats and it's a game changer and game killer. That lone run is bothersome and put a major dent in an otherwise good run D performance. 

Edited September 13, 2023 by newcam2012

[Alphadawg7]

10 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I get that but your logic is flawed. You can't excuse or minimize the 83 yard run. It gets included in the stats and it's a game changer and game killer. That lone run is bothersome and put a major dent in an otherwise good run D performance. 

 

I get it, giving up an 83 yard run is not something they want to do every game.  My only point is I am not going to come away concerned about a run D that mostly shut the Jets combo of Hall and Dalvin (easily one of the best 1-2 combos in the league) outside of one blown mistake on an assignment.  A blown assignment is fixable, I don't look at it much differently than a bad ill-timed penalty like a PI on a bomb that gave the offense a huge gain and FG.  

 

I would be more concerned if the Jets manhandled our front line and ran on us all night is really the only point from my end.  I mean our run D was actually quite good outside of a blown assignment mistake.  Now if those blown assignments go on to be say common or frequent each game, then we are back to having an issue.  But Monday, it was really just one play that made the rush defense stats look bad, outside of that the average per rush was like 2 yards per carry with two very good RB's coming at the Bills D.

[warrior9]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Oh FFS, here we go again

This guy clearly doesnt watch the games. Josh Allen is putting too much on himself and trying to do too much. He had receiver's open all game AND he had time to throw. 

[Billschinatown]

6 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

We are going to miss Singletary. He had his limitations, but overall came closer to an all purpose back than anyone on the roster now.

I don't hate Cook. And I see why Beane did the Harris instead of Singletary thing. But right now there doesn't seem to be anyone Dorsey/McD trusts who can be the primary between the tackles RB. 

I predict Murray starts seeing major PT next week.

I think Cook is on a leash and it's getting shorter. No way they're loving the slow speed back thing he has going on. 

[warrior9]

On 9/12/2023 at 8:52 PM, Billschinatown said:

 

I just hate that Singletary was/is way better. Latavius Murray looked better in his limited game time IMO. 

You were saying? 

On 9/13/2023 at 8:44 AM, The Frankish Reich said:

We are going to miss Singletary. He had his limitations, but overall came closer to an all purpose back than anyone on the roster now.

I don't hate Cook. And I see why Beane did the Harris instead of Singletary thing. But right now there doesn't seem to be anyone Dorsey/McD trusts who can be the primary between the tackles RB. 

I predict Murray starts seeing major PT next week.

The amount of overreaction on this board after a loss is hilarious...

 

"we're going to miss singletary" HAHAHAHAHA 

Singletary this year: 7 carries 15 yards 2.1 YPC and 4 carries 14 yards...... 3.5 YPC... damn, that's some production we can REALLLLY use

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

14 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

You were saying? 

The amount of overreaction on this board after a loss is hilarious...

 

"we're going to miss singletary" HAHAHAHAHA 

Singletary this year: 7 carries 15 yards 2.1 YPC and 4 carries 14 yards...... 3.5 YPC... damn, that's some production we can REALLLLY use

Singletary objectively would be the fourth best rb on this roster lol 

[warrior9]

33 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Singletary objectively would be the fourth best rb on this roster lol 

Like I was saying man, people and their obsession with RBs on this board never cease to amaze me. 

Couple that with a loss people can't even think straight. 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

On 9/12/2023 at 7:01 PM, The_Ripster said:

1. They gotta get rid of Dorsey
2. They gotta go out and get the every-down offensive weapon they need

Thoughts?

Seeing that running game yesterday made me even want Taylor more. Imagine what we can do with an elite back? Maybe 300 yds I’m not even joking! 
 

Cook and crew can get it done vs your average team we still need a back that can do damage vs the top defenses. 

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, warrior9 said:

You were saying? 

The amount of overreaction on this board after a loss is hilarious...

 

"we're going to miss singletary" HAHAHAHAHA 

Singletary this year: 7 carries 15 yards 2.1 YPC and 4 carries 14 yards...... 3.5 YPC... damn, that's some production we can REALLLLY use

More importantly, Zack Moss had his best day of his career behind the Colts and JT’s OL.

 

It’s almost like RB play is devalued in the NFL. No way

[warrior9]

29 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Seeing that running game yesterday made me even want Taylor more. Imagine what we can do with an elite back? Maybe 300 yds I’m not even joking! 
 

Cook and crew can get it done vs your average team we still need a back that can do damage vs the top defenses. 

This has to be joke....... 

 

How many times do people need to see it to believe it? Few things:

1.) Cook is an every down back

2.) You don't pay RBs. No team has paid their starting RB more than 2M in the last 15 years. It doesn't work. You pay an OL

3.) JT had a great rookie year with the best OL in football. They regressed last year and so did he. He is also coming off of an injury

4.) JT is not an elite back.

5.) Stop chasing names because of 1 good year. 

8 minutes ago, FireChans said:

More importantly, Zack Moss had his best day of his career behind the Colts and JT’s OL.

 

It’s almost like RB play is devalued in the NFL. No way

@NastyNateSoldiers please see this post to further my point.. it's not the RBs... it's the OL 

[Nephilim17]

Jonathan Taylor... NO!

[The Frankish Reich]

3 hours ago, warrior9 said:

You were saying? 

The amount of overreaction on this board after a loss is hilarious...

 

"we're going to miss singletary" HAHAHAHAHA 

Singletary this year: 7 carries 15 yards 2.1 YPC and 4 carries 14 yards...... 3.5 YPC... damn, that's some production we can REALLLLY use

Hey, Cook played really well! Congrats to him.

As for Singletary: have you looked at the Texans' run game this year? 2.5 YPC thru 2 games. Ouch.

I stand by my comment that Cook is best positioned to be something other than the lead RB. And I think that's where we're headed anyway, with a RB by Committee. He's more CJ Spiller than LeSean McCoy. I don't have the inclination to look carry-by-carry, but he strikes me as the guy who has a really good YPC (like, 5.0) because  a typical 10 carries go for 3, 1, 10, -1, 2, 16, 0, 4, 2, 23. 60 yards in 10 carries, but 6 of those carries were generally unproductive. That was Spiller's run profile - 6 yards per carry in his best year! That's a really valuable player, but it's not conducive to sustaining lengthy run-heavy drives when you want to do that. Sometimes you need a Fred Jackson or Singletary. Or maybe Harris/Murray can fill that role.

AND I LIKED CJ SPILLER! Not his fault he was drafted too high and then misused/wore out as soon as Hackett threatened to run him till he pukes.

[Charles Romes]

How’s that “big name” RB signing for the Jets looking. 

[phypon]

The Bills' RB stable is well stocked.  Very good backs.  No worries there.

[hondo in seattle]

5 hours ago, warrior9 said:

This has to be joke....... 

 

How many times do people need to see it to believe it? Few things:

1.) Cook is an every down back

2.) You don't pay RBs. No team has paid their starting RB more than 2M in the last 15 years. It doesn't work. You pay an OL

3.) JT had a great rookie year with the best OL in football. They regressed last year and so did he. He is also coming off of an injury

4.) JT is not an elite back.

5.) Stop chasing names because of 1 good year. 

@NastyNateSoldiers please see this post to further my point.. it's not the RBs... it's the OL 

 

If a young Jim Brown or OJ was available, I'd sign them for $2MM+++.  Backs like that get first downs and keep drives going.  JT isn't in their league.  No current RB is.  

 

But I get what you're saying about OLs.  If you have a good OL, you'll not only get yards on the ground even with an average back, but you'll also keep your QB upright and healthy.  

 

I'm reasonably happy with our backfield - I think they'll provide a lot of bang for the buck.  I just wish we had a better OL.  

[Billschinatown]

14 hours ago, warrior9 said:

You were saying? 

The amount of overreaction on this board after a loss is hilarious...

 

"we're going to miss singletary" HAHAHAHAHA 

Singletary this year: 7 carries 15 yards 2.1 YPC and 4 carries 14 yards...... 3.5 YPC... damn, that's some production we can REALLLLY use

Lol not me being punished by *checks notes* a really great bills victory.

Please stop! I can’t take anymore! 
 

 

[AuntieEm]

On 9/12/2023 at 12:28 PM, DrPJax said:

True ,  but you have to break tackles at some point ( see whites two arm tackles being broken leading to impressive chunk runs) , and cook is no THURMAN THOMAS,, lol,,,guy is pretty light in the pants and while he can get around pursuit, he is not snapping off big runs and there were times some larger gains were in front of him if he had more balance and power. Better than last year but still quick to be stopped short of first downs. Murray looked good . Lewis looked  ok so far. Line cant always hold holes open for long. 

 

Then you keep improving your oline until it opens holes that any player can run through without difficulty.  You get the oline beefed up you don't even need top of the line weapons though doesn't hurt to have those as well. 

[BillsShredder83]

14 hours ago, Charles Romes said:

How’s that “big name” RB signing for the Jets looking. 

lol they never learn, they juuuuuust did this or probably an even worse version of it by signing a plow horse back, with high mileage

 

 

Jonathan Taylor is a bit of a diff situation than those two, IMO. Maybe they can sign him in about 5years to a hefty deal? lollllll

16 hours ago, FireChans said:

More importantly, Zack Moss had his best day of his career behind the Colts and JT’s OL.

 

It’s almost like RB play is devalued in the NFL. No way

I havent seen it, maybe the light finally went on. honestly thought he worked his butt off and never panned out, wish dude nothing but success

[Charles Romes]

Look at what Singletary 2.9 ypa is doing without the gift-wrapped Allen light boxes. Maybe the great backs with some tread will start begging to come here for nothing for the Allen light boxes.