Terry Pegula is ALLEGED to have said something very foul in the Jim Trotter lawsuit against the NFL

[Motorin']

25 minutes ago, WEATHER DOT COM said:

 

The accusation isn't Terry said these words and you are misinterpreting the lawsuit.

 

The accusation is the NFL failed to properly investigate the scenario, which is backed up by the evidence that neither Trotter who reported the conduct to the NFL nor the reporter who claimed to have heard this first-hand from Terry at the dinner were interviewed in the subsequent NFL investigation. 

 

Although I will admit, the way this has been misreported and misrepresented from the start from the media has ruined any chance for a rational discussion on the actual lawsuit.

 

The law suit does not say the reporter who made the claims wasn't interviewed. 

 

It says Trotter wasn't interviewed. Which has no baring on the case, because he only heard of it second hand two years after it supposedly happened. 

 

But the ***** issue is that Trotter's law suit states as fact that Pegula made those statements, which he has no way of knowing is true. 

 

So you want to have your lawsuit laughed out of court? Build it on hear say and innuendo posing as fact. 

[Doc]

47 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

Trotter is basing his allegations on someone else who may be lying or misremembering. And he has no way of knowing for sure. 

 

That someone isn't even corroborating Trotters claim.  Never mind the (39?) other people on the Zoom call.

[WEATHER DOT COM]

2 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

The law suit does not say the reporter who made the claims wasn't interviewed. 

 

Per the Buffalo News report everyone at the dinner was interviewed. However, this is illogical as the reporter who overheard the comments was at the dinner. Therefore, the reporter who made the claims was not interviewed. It's not in the lawsuit because it's Trotter's case, not said reporters.

 

4 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

It says Trotter wasn't interviewed. Which has no baring on the case, because he only heard of it second hand two years after it supposedly happened. 

 

It has bearing on the case (the case against the NFL - not against Terry, which does not exist) because it is a second set of evidence beyond Trotter's first-hand conversation with Jerry Jones which was Trotter claims was also not investigated properly. In that scenario, the first-hand witness to the comments (Trotter) was not interviewed.

 

7 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

But the ***** issue is that Trotter's law suit states as fact that Pegula made those statements

 

It does not state his statements as fact.

[RyanC883]

Trotter is just upset because he was fired for most likely being a giant pain in the a&&.  He appears to fail to realize he worked for the NFL, thought he was an investigative or "actual" journalist.  See this article: 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/reporter-claims-nfl-tried-to-cover-up-handling-of-damar-hamlin-situation/ar-AA1gLY2U?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=80447823e6bb440e98d9484c09f1f079&ei=48

15 hours ago, Doc said:

Then Trotter’s claim is bunk.  Does Terry sue or leave it alone?

 

Terry should 100% sue.  Trotter seems like a moronic blowhard.  

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Motorin' said:

 

No, Trotter asked the NFL to investigate 3 years ago, in 2020.  The alleged remarks occured 5 years ago, in 2018. 

 

So to be clear, in 2020 Trotter heard a reporter claim that Terry said those things two years earlier, in 2018. 

 

Again, imagine walking into your HR office today, in 2023, and demanding that they investigate an executive at your company because one of your co-workers told you they said something racist in 2021. 

 

And then every week for months demanding to know what punishment was administered. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He didn't demand that they investigate today, in 2023. 

 

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Everyone loves their conspiracies, when it suits them.  And I did answer the question.  There's no conspiracy.  Trotter either lied or misremembered.  I just left an out for those who might say "the NFL swept it under the rug."

 

Good question.  How many of the white "guys" are suing the NFL?

 

 

Why would they?

[Motorin']

41 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

He didn't demand that they investigate today, in 2023. 

 

 

 

Why would they?

 

He demanded they investigate in 2020. Over an alleged verbal remark from 2018. 

 

Let's do some basic math here. That would be like you walking into HR today, in 2023, and demand that they investigate offensive remarks that Bob told you he heard Jim say two years ago, in 2021.

 

 

1 hour ago, WEATHER DOT COM said:

 

Per the Buffalo News report everyone at the dinner was interviewed. However, this is illogical as the reporter who overheard the comments was at the dinner. Therefore, the reporter who made the claims was not interviewed. It's not in the lawsuit because it's Trotter's case, not said reporters.

 

 

It has bearing on the case (the case against the NFL - not against Terry, which does not exist) because it is a second set of evidence beyond Trotter's first-hand conversation with Jerry Jones which was Trotter claims was also not investigated properly. In that scenario, the first-hand witness to the comments (Trotter) was not interviewed.

 

 

It does not state his statements as fact.

 

So if the reporter wasn't at the dinner how could he possibly have heard Terry make the remarks? 

Edited September 15, 2023 by Motorin'

[WEATHER DOT COM]

20 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

He demanded they investigate in 2020. Over an alleged verbal remark from 2018. 

 

Let's do some basic math here. That would be like you walking into HR today, in 2023, and demand that they investigate offensive remarks that Bob told you he heard Jim say two years ago, in 2021.

 

 

 

So if the reporter wasn't at the dinner how could he possibly have heard Terry make the remarks? 

The reporter was at the dinner.

[Doc]

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

Trotter is just upset because he was fired for most likely being a giant pain in the a&&.  He appears to fail to realize he worked for the NFL, thought he was an investigative or "actual" journalist.  See this article: 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/reporter-claims-nfl-tried-to-cover-up-handling-of-damar-hamlin-situation/ar-AA1gLY2U?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=80447823e6bb440e98d9484c09f1f079&ei=48

 

Terry should 100% sue.  Trotter seems like a moronic blowhard.  

 

Yes, not hard to see why they fired him.  And it has nothing to do with racism.

[ColoradoBills]

Terry Pegula has shown me nothing to make me believe that he is a "racist" or would have made those remark.

His devotion to his wife, who is a champion of inclusion and diversity, is well known and her life story which Terry has bonded with,

contradicts these "allegations".

 

There would have to be concrete evidence with a contextual nature of true "racism" for me to change my mind.

 

Some may laugh at me, but I do sympathize with what Terry and Kim must be feeling right now.  Money doesn't stop a feeling so

hurtful that he had to use the word "disgusted" and "horrified" in his statement.  This, on top of Kim's health struggles must be

creating a somber atmosphere in a home that has had its share of challenges lately.  We all have seen what an emotional guy he is.

 

2 years ago, there was threads on this forum pushing a narrative exactly opposite of what is now being believed by some.

I believe Terry is proud of what his wife was championing and what her life story was that shaped her life and family.

Unfortunately, all her work is being replaced with the current media hype and reshaping their public persona.

 

 

[AuntieEm]

On 9/12/2023 at 11:49 AM, RyanC883 said:

Jim Trotter is just making sh*t up.  

He was hoping the nfl would be  shaking over the bad look the alleged statement generates in hopes of extorting them into regaining his previous position in exchange for his silence.  The statement was hearsay and notice the source isn't chiming in to verify the statement as valid and what they heard.  It may be that Terry expressed some opinion that wasn't what the source wanted to hear and do they embellished whatever Terry said to make it appear worse than his actual statement may have been.  It could have been as innocent as well if the  players have a problem with not being allowed to protest on the NFLs time maybe they should get a regular job and see how they get treated should they protest there.

 

 

[Motorin']

57 minutes ago, WEATHER DOT COM said:

The reporter was at the dinner.

 

So how do you know the reporter wasn't interviewed by the NFL in the investigation? 

 

 

[WEATHER DOT COM]

20 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

So how do you know the reporter wasn't interviewed by the NFL in the investigation? 

 

 

 

Based on the logic of the Buffalo News article regarding the investigation

 

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https://buffalonews.com/news/local/lawsuit-accuses-bills-co-owner-terry-pegula-of-making-racist-remarks-he-denies-claim/article_dcada732-5187-11ee-a9d7-b7bd6245731d.html

 

A league source told The Buffalo News that the alleged comment was thoroughly investigated, including interviews with Terry and his wife and co-owner, Kim Pegula – who both denied the statement – and every other person at the dinner where this conversation purportedly took place.

 

The investigation took place shortly after the comment was brought to the league’s attention, and no one else from the dinner recalled the statement being made, according to this source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

 

The dinner took place in 2018 and no one complained about the purported racist remark until the 2020 NFL Media video call, the source said.

 

The reporter – not Trotter – who brought it up on the call claims to have directly heard the “Africa” remark, David Gottlieb, one of Trotter’s attorneys, told The News.

 

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#3 cannot be true if #1 and/or #2 are true.

 

1. Every person at the dinner denied the statement was made

2. No one else from the dinner recalled the statement being made

3. The reporter claims to have directly heard the "Africa" remark

Edited September 15, 2023 by WEATHER DOT COM

[Motorin']

5 minutes ago, WEATHER DOT COM said:

 

Based on the logic of the Buffalo News article regarding the investigation

 

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https://buffalonews.com/news/local/lawsuit-accuses-bills-co-owner-terry-pegula-of-making-racist-remarks-he-denies-claim/article_dcada732-5187-11ee-a9d7-b7bd6245731d.html

 

A league source told The Buffalo News that the alleged comment was thoroughly investigated, including interviews with Terry and his wife and co-owner, Kim Pegula – who both denied the statement – and every other person at the dinner where this conversation purportedly took place.

 

The investigation took place shortly after the comment was brought to the league’s attention, and no one else from the dinner recalled the statement being made, according to this source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

 

The dinner took place in 2018 and no one complained about the purported racist remark until the 2020 NFL Media video call, the source said.

 

The reporter – not Trotter – who brought it up on the call claims to have directly heard the “Africa” remark, David Gottlieb, one of Trotter’s attorneys, told The News.

 

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#3 cannot be true if #1 and/or #2 are true.

 

1. Every person at the dinner denied the statement was made

2. No one else from the dinner recalled the statement being made

3. The reporter claims to have directly heard the "Africa" remark

 

You seem to be leaving out the possibility that the reporter in question lied or exaggerated the statements during the 2020 zoom call where Trotter heard the allegations, but told the truth during the investigation.

 

As well as the possibility that Trotter made up the Zoom call incident all together...

 

Where is the "unanimous source" to verify? 

 

Or is Trotter "protecting" them for fear of NFL retribution, so we'll all just have to take Trotter's word that it really happened the way his source said it did? 

 

 

Edited September 15, 2023 by Motorin'

[WEATHER DOT COM]

5 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

You seem to be leaving out the possibility that the reporter in question lied or exaggerated the statements during the 2020 zoom call where Trotter heard the allegations, bur told the truth during the investigation.

 

As well as the possibility that Trotter made up the Zoom call incident all together...

 

Where is the "unanimous source" to verify? 

 

Or is Trotter "protecting" them for fear of NFL retribution, so we'll all just have to take Trotter's word that it really happened the way his source said it did? 

 

 

 

David Gottlieb, Trotter's lawyer, not Trotter, is the one "protecting" the so-called source. 

 

You seem to be leaving out the possibility that the reporter in question lied or exaggerated the statements during the 2020 zoom call where Trotter heard the allegations, but told the truth during the investigation.

 

This is certainly possible. The lawsuit would be dead in the water if this was specifically the case.

 

The follow-up example of Trotter not being interviewed regarding the direct first-hand remarks he heard from Jerry Jones, however, gives credence to the inclusion of the anecdote on Pegula. Trotter's case against the NFL is strong even without the Pegula quip. 

Edited September 15, 2023 by WEATHER DOT COM

[Doc]

25 minutes ago, WEATHER DOT COM said:

Based on the logic of the Buffalo News article regarding the investigation

 

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https://buffalonews.com/news/local/lawsuit-accuses-bills-co-owner-terry-pegula-of-making-racist-remarks-he-denies-claim/article_dcada732-5187-11ee-a9d7-b7bd6245731d.html

 

A league source told The Buffalo News that the alleged comment was thoroughly investigated, including interviews with Terry and his wife and co-owner, Kim Pegula – who both denied the statement – and every other person at the dinner where this conversation purportedly took place.

 

The investigation took place shortly after the comment was brought to the league’s attention, and no one else from the dinner recalled the statement being made, according to this source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

 

The dinner took place in 2018 and no one complained about the purported racist remark until the 2020 NFL Media video call, the source said.

 

The reporter – not Trotter – who brought it up on the call claims to have directly heard the “Africa” remark, David Gottlieb, one of Trotter’s attorneys, told The News.

 

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#3 cannot be true if #1 and/or #2 are true.

 

1. Every person at the dinner denied the statement was made

2. No one else from the dinner recalled the statement being made

3. The reporter claims to have directly heard the "Africa" remark

 

The NFL would have also obviously interviewed the reporter since he allegedly made the statement, but since nothing came of it he must have said he never made the statement.  That means Trotter heard something that never happened.

Edited September 15, 2023 by Doc

[4merper4mer]

23 minutes ago, WEATHER DOT COM said:

 

Based on the logic of the Buffalo News article regarding the investigation

 

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https://buffalonews.com/news/local/lawsuit-accuses-bills-co-owner-terry-pegula-of-making-racist-remarks-he-denies-claim/article_dcada732-5187-11ee-a9d7-b7bd6245731d.html

 

A league source told The Buffalo News that the alleged comment was thoroughly investigated, including interviews with Terry and his wife and co-owner, Kim Pegula – who both denied the statement – and every other person at the dinner where this conversation purportedly took place.

 

The investigation took place shortly after the comment was brought to the league’s attention, and no one else from the dinner recalled the statement being made, according to this source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

 

The dinner took place in 2018 and no one complained about the purported racist remark until the 2020 NFL Media video call, the source said.

 

The reporter – not Trotter – who brought it up on the call claims to have directly heard the “Africa” remark, David Gottlieb, one of Trotter’s attorneys, told The News.

 

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#3 cannot be true if #1 and/or #2 are true.

 

1. Every person at the dinner denied the statement was made

2. No one else from the dinner recalled the statement being made

3. The reporter claims to have directly heard the "Africa" remark

You have issues following logic.

 

Trotter says that a reporter at the dinner told him about the comment.

 

The NFL claims to have interviewed everyone at the dinner and no one remembered it.

 

Your little logic tree above leaves out about as many possibilities as Dr. Barbay did realities when discussing business with Thornton Mellon.

[WEATHER DOT COM]

9 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

The NFL would have also obviously interviewed the reporter since he allegedly made the statement, but since nothing came of it he must have said he never made the statement.  That means Trotter heard something that never happened.

 

That's about as bold an assumption as those who assume Terry said what he said. As I mentioned to Motorin, that could certainly be the case, but it would sink the lawsuit and be a brutal move by Trotter's lawyer.

 

The NFL has had countless instances of saying one thing and doing another.

 

3 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

You have issues following logic.

 

Trotter says that a reporter at the dinner told him about the comment.

 

The NFL claims to have interviewed everyone at the dinner and no one remembered it.

 

Then why is this quip included in the lawsuit? It's strong enough without it. 

[Motorin']

36 minutes ago, WEATHER DOT COM said:

 

 

Then why is this quip included in the lawsuit? It's strong enough without it. 

 

Because the suit has no merit, and the intention is to try it in the court of public opinion by making outlandish claims? 

 

 

 

 

[WEATHER DOT COM]

10 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Because the suit has no merit, and the intention is to try it in the court of public opinion by making outlandish claims? 

 

I guess we will see when the lawsuit is settled/dismissed/won/lost/etc. This has come and gone with a majority of the public and the lawsuit still exists.

[Pecos Bills]

7 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said:

I don't understand why people think the NFL has some sort of obligation to investigate every politically incorrect remark made by an owner.  The 2020 BLM protests were a net negative for the United States, and NFL players did themselves and the league a disservice by dragging this stuff into football.  It's fine for owners to say so, and it doesn't matter to me if they say so in colorful terms.  Grow some skin.

The question as it relates to this lawsuit is more about the NFL's obligation to investigate a complaint made by one of its employees.  Clearly many posters are feeling super defensive about the "did Terry do a racism?" part of the story but that's not the heart of the matter here.