Terry Pegula is ALLEGED to have said something very foul in the Jim Trotter lawsuit against the NFL

[NyQuil]

2 hours ago, SoMAn said:

I'm pretty sure Pegula would never have said that to Trotter, if at all.

So, assuming it wasn't directed at Trotter, where does Trotter get this tidbit? Are we now making allegations in lawsuits based on second or third hand accounts? In criminal court this is defined as hearsay and is inadmissible.

Also whoever originally named dropped Pegula could be looking at a slander suit, possibly libel if it’s in a written document.

[mead107]

Looking for money 

 

[Peter]

15 minutes ago, Mango said:

Looks like Goodell recently said that these allegations have been looked into and will be looked into to make sure they aren’t true.  
 

A bit of a gaffe there

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/roger-goodell-addresses-jim-trotters-lawsuit-suggests-league-will-investigate

 

 

 

 

Florio is so predictable.

[uticaclub]

7 minutes ago, NyQuil said:

Also whoever originally named dropped Pegula could be looking at a slander suit, possibly libel if it’s in a written document.

That would require 30 billionairs to be subpoenaed. Also, a billionaire will gain nothing suing an unemployed “journalist” who will never work for a reputable media outlet again. 

[RkFast]

Money talks...BS Walks. And everything in the Buffalo Bills' body of work with regard to social justice initiatives and what they did as an organization after the Topps tragedy has been outstanding under current ownership. So with that in the backdrop Im to beleive that a mainly soft spoken Pegula...the guy who shed tears when mentioning the Topps victims just a few months ago...would just blurt something like this out? And on a companywide Zoom call to boot? Yeah...put me in the "skeptical" column on this claim. 

 

 

Edited September 13, 2023 by RkFast

[The Jokeman]

On 9/12/2023 at 12:27 PM, Process said:

Until there is proof I am siding with Terry. Like I mentioned before Trotter has been after the NFL for a long time. 

 

This type of allegation can destroy a person's life, family etc. You don't just accept it with zero evidence. 

 

If true we have a major problem and it's needs to be dealt with. Right now we don't know that it is. 

Yeah I have a hard time an owner with a minority wife would make a comment like this but who knows, he might have said it

[SoMAn]

23 minutes ago, NyQuil said:

Also whoever originally named dropped Pegula could be looking at a slander suit, possibly libel if it’s in a written document.

The more I think about it, the more it sounds like the allegation was pulled out of thin air. How can anyone think a guy who's had a long term marriage to a woman of East Asian descent and whose children are half Asian is a racist?  He's in a business that greatly relies on the cooperative effort of people of different backgrounds working together to be successful.

 

Is there any prior documentation or allegations even remotely alluding to Pegula as a racist?

 

Sadly, the word 'racist' is hurled around casually simply because a person may disagree with someone's political stance or other view. According to some points of view, every one of you white males reading this is inherently racist.  I hope you're ashamed.

 

[Motorin']

9 minutes ago, RkFast said:

Money talks...BS Walks. And everything in the Buffalo Bills' body of work with regard to social justice initiatives and what they did as an organization after the Topps tragedy has been outstanding under current ownership. So between that and the idea that a mainly soft spoken Pegula would just blurt something like this out? And on a companywide Zoom call to boot? Put me in the "skeptical" column on this one. 

 

No! That is not what the law suit says.

 

The lawsuit says that on a Zoom call Trotter heard a reporter say that Pegula had said those things.

 

Trotter never heard Terry say anything to that effect. 

 

He is insisting it is a fact that Terry said those things because someone else told him so.

 

And the lawsuit goes on to claim it was swept under the rug because the NFL never interviewed Trotter in the investigation...

 

Why would anything Trotter has to say have any bearing on the truth of what Terry did or didn't say? He wasn't there to hear anything.

 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, SoMAn said:

The more I think about it, the more it sounds like the allegation was pulled out of thin air. How can anyone think a guy who's had a long term marriage to a woman of East Asian descent and whose children are half Asian is a racist?  He's in a business that greatly relies on the cooperative effort of people of different backgrounds working together to be successful.

 

Is there any prior documentation or allegations even remotely alluding to Pegula as a racist?

 

Sadly, the word 'racist' is hurled around casually simply because a person may disagree with someone's political stance or other view. According to some points of view, every one of you white males reading this is inherently racist.  I hope you're ashamed.

 

 

It goes back to the idea of, well I believe it's something someone like him would say. So there's no harm in me spreading a lie because everyone will believe it and no one will be able to prove I lied. 

Edited September 13, 2023 by Motorin'

[RkFast]

10 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

No! That is not what the law suit says.

 

The lawsuit says that on a Zoom call Trotter heard a reporter say that Pegula had said those things.

 

Trotter never heard Terry say anything to that effect. 

 

He is insisting it is a fact that Terry said those things because someone else told him so.

 

And the lawsuit goes on to claim it was swept under the rug because the NFL never interviewed Trotter in the investigation...

 

Why would anything Trotter have to say have any bearing on the truth of what Terry did or didn't say? He wasn't there to hear anything.

 

 

 

 

 

OK, then pull the statement about him doing it on a Zoom call out. Still doesnt wash for me. The claim is just counter to EVERYTHING with regard to Pegula's track record on this issue. 

 

Appreciate the clarification.

Edited September 13, 2023 by RkFast

[Doc]

3 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

Lol at your assumption that Pegula is guilty and digging into specific details of sentences when no one even knows if anything was actually said.  But….. Kraft inquiry was a witch hunt even though he was filmed getting a happy ending.  

 

Are you surprised?  WEO believes everyone accused of something is guilty and/or has no defensed.  Except Bobby Kraft...

Edited September 13, 2023 by Doc

[Motorin']

2 hours ago, Mango said:

I get that to an extent.
 

But what’s up for debate is whether or not the league looked into fully once an official complaint was filed by one of its employees. I don’t know if it’s because Suits is trending again, but everybody is tossing around heresay. I’m no legal professional but I do not believe I need to meet the legal standard for a crime in order to submit an official complaint to my company and also receive an internal investigation. 

 

But to your specific point I don’t think if I quoted ann official complaint to my employer it qualifies as defamation. My goal in the original report would be a thorough investigation, but the result is losing my job.*
 

I get it from a Buffalo or Pegula standpoint. But I think it’s unintentionally myopic without much legal standing. HR doesn’t work for the employee they protect the employer. In theory an actual investigation would have put all this to bed. This is HR’s job. My guess is they didn’t do it because that would have provided an official paper trail. But now they likely don’t have much of a paper trail and are stuck in this position and a bit vulnerable to a much larger legal suit. 
 

*allegedly 

 

(also, again, not a lawyer)

I disagree here. What he asserts as facts are that somebody told him this and he filed an official complaint with his employer. He also asserts that the league didn’t thoroughly investigate. 
 

He reported heresay to his employer. He admits as much. Which I think (ouch!) is fine. Almost all HR complaints are void of email, video, or audio recordings. Complaints to your employer don’t need to meet the same criteria for a criminal or civil complaint. 
 

Just my $0.02

 

The lawsuit asserts it as a fact that Pegula said those things, and then only in the foot notes do you learn that Trotter never heard Pegula say them. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

7 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

That would require 30 billionairs to be subpoenaed. Also, a billionaire will gain nothing suing an unemployed “journalist” who will never work for a reputable media outlet again. 

If I’m a billionaire and some douche accuses me of racist remarks that I never said in a written statement that goes viral and undermines my reputation, I’m suing. And then when that suit is settled, I’m filing another one, and another one in perpetuity, even if I lose every time. 

[BillsFan692]

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

If I’m a billionaire and some douche accuses me of racist remarks that I never said in a written statement that goes viral and undermines my reputation, I’m suing. And then when that suit is settled, I’m filing another one, and another one in perpetuity, even if I lose every time. 

You ever hear phrase 'cant get blood from a turnip'? be a waste of time & money you can win easy in civil court but collecting funds is a whole different animal especially from someone who doesn't have any.

[Pecos Bills]

This thread has so many instances of

"he has an Asian wife and children so he can't be racist"/

"his daughter dated a black player so he can't be racist"

that I almost wonder if you're all cribbing from the same substack or what? 🤨

 

[The Jokeman]

10 minutes ago, Pecos Bills said:

This thread has so many instances of

"he has an Asian wife and children so he can't be racist"/

"his daughter dated a black player so he can't be racist"

that I almost wonder if you're all cribbing from the same substack or what? 🤨

 

Either way Trotter is blaming someone else for the quote and yet he isn't naming names, I question it tbh. 

[Mango]

16 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

The lawsuit asserts it as a fact that Pegula said those things, and then only in the foot notes do you learn that Trotter never heard Pegula say them. 

An attorney over an Sabrespace has mentioned a few times that the “quote” from Pegula has immunity.

 

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A communication made by an attorney in a judicial proceeding is absolutely privileged if it is pertinent and relevant to the issues, although it may be false and malicious: Pitts v. King, 141 Or. 23 ( 15 P.2d 379, 472); 36 C.J. 1252. He cannot, however, in a judicial proceeding, utter defamatory matter wholly foreign to the issues and be protected under the shield of qualified privilege. To recover, therefore, against the defendant Vandenberg it was incumbent upon plaintiff to establish that the alleged defamatory matter spoken of and concerning her was irrelevant and impertinent to the issues in the murder case and that it was utteredwith express or actual malice: Cooper v. Phipps, 24 Or. 357 ( 33 P. 985).

Irwin v. Ashurst (1938)

 

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 Statements contained in a pleading in a lawsuit are protected speech afforded a qualified privilege which is a defense to a defamation claim.  Extremely hard (but not impossible) to pierce that privilege.

 

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But it's a qualified privilege, not an absolute privilege.  You *might* be able to challenge it if you can show that it was superfluous to the lawsuit and was put into the pleading in an effort to shield it from a defamation claim.  But that's a tough showing (and won't work here since it's related to the core claims).

Suits has been trending and now we are all internet lawyers.

 

Can’t wait until @HOUSE starts trending again and we can all trade in our (myself included) internet law degrees for internet medical degrees.

[Motorin']

16 minutes ago, Pecos Bills said:

This thread has so many instances of

"he has an Asian wife and children so he can't be racist"/

"his daughter dated a black player so he can't be racist"

that I almost wonder if you're all cribbing from the same substack or what? 🤨

 

 

Yet twice as many instances of, I heard it from a guy who heard it form a guy... so it must be true. 

 

Of course someone can harbor some racist thoughts, no matter who they marry. 

 

But the truth is nobody in this thread knows what he did or didn't say, and the person making the allegations admits he wasn't even there when they were supposedly uttered. 

 

I'll tell you what I find improbable, that a guy who owns a team of majority black players in a majority black league and has helped create generational wealth for dozens of black men thinks that black people should go back to Africa. 

 

That's standard white supremacist, "black people don't belong" in American language. 

 

If Terry Pegula thinks black people should go back to Africa he sure has a funny way of showing it. 

 

 

 

Edited September 13, 2023 by Motorin'

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

15 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said:

You ever hear phrase 'cant get blood from a turnip'? be a waste of time & money you can win easy in civil court but collecting funds is a whole different animal especially from someone who doesn't have any.

You think the scenario I painted has anything to do with money? 
 

it’s about inflicting pain

[Motorin']

2 minutes ago, Mango said:

An attorney over an Sabrespace has mentioned a few times that the “quote” from Pegula has immunity.

 

 

 

Suits has been trending and now we are all internet lawyers.

 

Can’t wait until @HOUSE starts trending again and we can all trade in our (myself included) internet law degrees for internet medical degrees.

 

So Trotter is lying in so far as the law suit is the only place where he's made the allegation and he never actually insisted to the league that Terry in fact made those comments. Got it. 

[uticaclub]

14 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

You think the scenario I painted has anything to do with money? 
 

it’s about inflicting pain

Pain? Trotter has nothing to lose and the more Terry sues him, the more he will look like a martyr while Pegula looks like an old white racist in the media, regardless of the facts.