The play that concerned me the most

[oldmanfan]

The play that showed me we were in trouble last night was the one where Josh tried to jump over two guys when he was 5 yards from getting a first down.  What concerns me is that Josh is not either listening to what the coaches are telling him or is sometimes unable to control his play with respect to what the coaches are telling him.  The entire off season McD, Dorsey (and Beane) have talked about how they want to get Josh to where he is not running the ball as much, and where is not taking unnecessary risks to his body while out there.  Trying to hurdle not one, but two guys, and not at the yardage marker, but 5 yards before it, shows just a stunning inability to process that kind of info.

 

I love Josh.  I think as fans we all love Josh and what he brings to the table with his talent.  But as much as folks have wanted to harp about the O line (which held up OK against a very good D line), Bernard (didn't cost us the game by any means), Dorsey's play calls (is it the calls, or is Josh not going where he needs to go), this team will only win when its QB accepts that he needs to play under control.  After last night I am beginning to question whether Josh can do that.  and if he is simply not listening to the coaches, then the answer to me isn't changing coaches.  It's sitting his butt down for a bit or having the other leaders on the team get in his face and demand better.

[Simon]

The mistake wasn't trying to hurdle people, it was not getting the ball out in the first place.

Once he crossed the LOS, he's going to do anything he possibly can to try and convert a key 3rd down.

Just as he should.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

I saw McD and Diggs both tell him to play smart last night. He doesn’t need to be hero ball 24/7. 

[oldmanfan]

6 minutes ago, Simon said:

The mistake wasn't trying to hurdle people, it was not getting the ball out in the first place.

Once he crossed the LOS, he's going to do anything he possibly can to try and convert a key 3rd down.

Just as he should.

You are not hurling two guys 5 yards from the marker and getting the first.  Just not happening.

[Simon]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

You are not hurling two guys 5 yards from the marker and getting the first.  Just not happening.

 

He's also not going to just lay down on 3rd down either.

Nor should he.

 

The mistake occurred well before the last ditch hurdle, imo.

[pocoboy]

3 minutes ago, Simon said:

The mistake wasn't trying to hurdle people, it was not getting the ball out in the first place.

Once he crossed the LOS, he's going to do anything he possibly can to try and convert a key 3rd down.

Just as he should.

 

Agreed. It's more of an issue on the run where he got the first down and passed up ducking out of bound in order to plow into a few guys. Regardless of injury, it also increases the chances of someone popping the ball out.

 

The 'not getting the ball out in the first place' is the true problem. I don't think he and/or Dorsey are putting in the necessary effort for him to make the decisions in the time allowed. And last night he did have more time than he assumed.

[ngbills]

Josh looked like a guy that did not care last night. I dont mean did not want to win or try. But more of the kid that has been told dont put your feet on the sofa and does it anyway. SOmething is off. He did not look prepared either. I dont know if this is a Josh thing or a growing lack of respect of the coaches. 

[17islongenough]

There was another play earlier in the game.   When it was like 2nd or 3rd down.  He ran and got the 1st down. He should have ran out of bounds. But no he decided to ran at 3 Jets players.  Mcdermott even said you have to play smart and then he did that dumb hurdle thing a little later.  

[Lost]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

He's also not going to just lay down on 3rd down either.

Nor should he.

 

The mistake occurred well before the last ditch hurdle, imo.

 

When you're 6 yard from first down marker and about to get blasted by not 1 but 2 defenders, you absolutely run it out of bounds..

[teef]

he was off in a number of ways.  even if he just fields the snap at the end of the game correctly we could have a different outcome.  he was awful last night.

Edited September 12, 2023 by teef

[Simon]

Just now, Lost said:

 

When you're 6 yard from first down marker and about to get blasted by not 1 but 2 defenders, you absolutely run it out of bounds..

 

Not on 3rd down.

[billsfanmd07]

Agree. Another he was going out of bounds then tuned back in just to get hit. The play that concerned me was every run by Cook up the middle. Even my wife who does not watch much football said he gets tackled easily. But announcers kept saying how great he looked. Cook is not every down back

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, pocoboy said:

 

Agreed. It's more of an issue on the run where he got the first down and passed up ducking out of bound in order to plow into a few guys. Regardless of injury, it also increases the chances of someone popping the ball out.

 

The 'not getting the ball out in the first place' is the true problem. I don't think he and/or Dorsey are putting in the necessary effort for him to make the decisions in the time allowed. And last night he did have more time than he assumed.

 

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

He's also not going to just lay down on 3rd down either.

Nor should he.

 

The mistake occurred well before the last ditch hurdle, imo.

Yes, he should have gotten the ball out sooner.  But when he didn't the answer is not to try and hurdle two guys 5 yards short of the marker.  That is the point; he has to be smarter than that.  This was a low scoring game, a punt is not a bad play.  Pin them back and come out again instead of putting yourself at risk of getting hurt.  

[Lost]

Just now, Simon said:

 

Not on 3rd down.

 

I'll take a punt vs. backup led offense over my QB being out for season because of something stupid.  

[ALLinALLEN]

Completely agree with this

[starrymessenger]

58 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

You are not hurling two guys 5 yards from the marker and getting the first.  Just not happening.

Perhaps the best example of what characterized his game last night. He’s an intelligent guy but he seemed mentally challenged to the point of absurdity.

[Bangarang]

Josh will bail early from a pocket thinking he might get hit only to try to lower his shoulder against a LB for an extra meaningless yard or two. It’s bizarre.

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

The play that showed me we were in trouble last night was the one where Josh tried to jump over two guys when he was 5 yards from getting a first down.  What concerns me is that Josh is not either listening to what the coaches are telling him or is sometimes unable to control his play with respect to what the coaches are telling him.  The entire off season McD, Dorsey (and Beane) have talked about how they want to get Josh to where he is not running the ball as much, and where is not taking unnecessary risks to his body while out there.  Trying to hurdle not one, but two guys, and not at the yardage marker, but 5 yards before it, shows just a stunning inability to process that kind of info.

 

I love Josh.  I think as fans we all love Josh and what he brings to the table with his talent.  But as much as folks have wanted to harp about the O line (which held up OK against a very good D line), Bernard (didn't cost us the game by any means), Dorsey's play calls (is it the calls, or is Josh not going where he needs to go), this team will only win when its QB accepts that he needs to play under control.  After last night I am beginning to question whether Josh can do that.  and if he is simply not listening to the coaches, then the answer to me isn't changing coaches.  It's sitting his butt down for a bit or having the other leaders on the team get in his face and demand better.

I think the issue on this play as much as anything is it meant everyone had to jump on him for being an idiot. 
 

suddenly he’s going to be tentative with the body, overthinking taking hits, and coaches avoiding calling designed runs because he can’t be trusted to get down. 
 

the other catastrophic flub was not gliding out of bounds for 4 yards and a first down early and instead taking on defenders to get 6 yards… a meaningless win. 
 

hes got to figure that out so we can use all his talents to win. If he can play safer, we can open up the playbook and use him more creatively.

 

[John from Riverside]

That one where he went to one side of the field and threw it all the way to the other side of the field. Kind of freaked me out too. I think it was to Damien Harris.

[NoSaint]

3 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Josh will bail early from a pocket thinking he might get hit only to try to lower his shoulder against a LB for an extra meaningless yard or two. It’s bizarre.

it’s about the lost yards, not fear of contact.