It ain't the coaches.

[Rc2catch]

5 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Of those 22 at least 5-6 of them were Allen taking off, so they actually probably only called up about 16 run plays in a game they led all night. 

Which is silly. I was yelling at the tv the whole third quarter to line up in power and use Murray and Harris. Josh had made enough plays to show he was not on his A game and the Jets had him confused and panicking. Run the ball, wear the defense down and kill some clock. This is basic football. You signed two backs for this very situation. Instead they used Harris as a receiver and I think Murray got one carry. That was my biggest takeaway from the game. 

[Nextmanup]

4 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

It's the QB. Sacred cow around here, I know, but Josh Allen has been in the league long enough to know:

 

1) you can't be late over the middle

 

2) you shouldn't throw into triple coverage

 

3) that sometimes a sack and punting the ball away isn't a bad thing.

 

And yet he continues to make those mistakes. Tell me, at what point should the finger of responsibility be pointed at the QB who just crapped his pants on national TV? You can lead a horse to water, but if it does not drink, it's on the horse.

Why does this have to a mutually exclusive type situation?

 

Can't Josh have a bad night while we still had a typically mediocre coaching performance?

 

 

[Rocbillsfan1]

I’m not against the dink and dunk per se. but I don’t know how you watch that first half and say yea he looks good or confident in the pocket. He had some quick throws which were fine but he had a lot of other head scratching plays where he looked like a rookie qb that didn’t know how to use the pocket or when to slide or when to run out of bounds or when not to chuck the ball into double coverage to a small Wr when he had a clear open field in front of him. All that adds up to a guy that didn’t look prepared and didn’t look comfortable on a lot of plays. 

[Captain Hindsight]

3 hours ago, Riverboat Ritchie said:

I am not a huge McD or Dorsey fan but this was all on Josh. It’s his sixth year, he has to play more situational football. Dorsey isn’t bobbling a snap and not falling on it or launching down the field on 2 and 5.  Geez that was a bad night. This franchise finds some pretty unique ways to frustrate the fan base 

Last night was the first time I've really had doubt Josh can win it all. He scrambled on a play and then tried to jump over 3 guys when he was 7 yards from the 1st down. What are you doing man? He needs to grow up and stop playing hero ball so much. He is an elite talent and until he gets these turnovers under control, they will consistently fall short

 

McDermott and Dorsey better figure out how to help Josh get there. 

[starrymessenger]

4 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

Which is silly. I was yelling at the tv the whole third quarter to line up in power and use Murray and Harris. Josh had made enough plays to show he was not on his A game and the Jets had him confused and panicking. Run the ball, wear the defense down and kill some clock. This is basic football. You signed two backs for this very situation. Instead they used Harris as a receiver and I think Murray got one carry. That was my biggest takeaway from the game. 

This. Two big backs and they run Cook between the tackles. Cook can certainly contribute but he shouldn't be confused with J.Gibbs who is bigger and can break tackles. Gibbs can do anything Cook can do. Cook cannot do all that Gibbs can do. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Why does this have to a mutually exclusive type situation?

 

Can't Josh have a bad night while we still had a typically mediocre coaching performance?

 

 

I think they had the right plan this year as opposed to last year at the meadowlands. Quick-hitters, don't allow the jets front 7 to be in play.

 

When that was abandoned, things went up in flames.

 

The question is, WHO abandoned it? I believe it was our intrepid QB

 

[buffaloboyinATL]

4 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

It's the QB. Sacred cow around here, I know, but Josh Allen has been in the league long enough to know:

 

1) you can't be late over the middle

 

2) you shouldn't throw into triple coverage

 

3) that sometimes a sack and punting the ball away isn't a bad thing.

 

And yet he continues to make those mistakes. Tell me, at what point should the finger of responsibility be pointed at the QB who just crapped his pants on national TV? You can lead a horse to water, but if it does not drink, it's on the horse.

I really hope Josh starts working with a sports psychologist, if he isn’t already. He should know the importance of it from his love of professional golf.

 

Most of his issues are mental mistakes that can be corrected, I just hope someone is working with him on it.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Evidence:

 

https://x.com/YardsPerPass/status/1701619061853974888?s=20

 

Not one but TWO receivers open for an easy gain, Allen tucks and runs.

 

And it wasn't even like they were long passes, either. One of them was Diggs.

 

[Lionel Hutz]

Obviously Allen was at fault for losing the game last night but coaching is still the bigger problem with this team.  
 

How is it that under McDermott the Bills always seem to blow winnable games in the most spectacular way possible? Just off the top of my head: the Hail Murray game, 13 seconds, last night, Vikings last year, Jets last year, Dolphins last year, Titans 4th and 1, Patriots game where they didn’t throw the ball.

 

 

[Norcalbillsfan]

11 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Also depends how u raise the horse how u nurture the horse. Seems to me like the horse lost his trainer and now needs a new one. 

Possibly, but he's a professional athlete that's been in the league 6 years. Dorsey can't physically walk on the field and point to the open recievers for him. The plays were called the recievers got open, josh didn't execute plain and simple.

[Freddie's Dead]

But it is...

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Evidence:

 

https://x.com/YardsPerPass/status/1701619061853974888?s=20

 

Not one but TWO receivers open for an easy gain, Allen tucks and runs.

 

And it wasn't even like they were long passes, either. One of them was Diggs.

 

theres a lot to not like about that play i think

 

in no particular order allen missing the diggs hot, morse not sliding protection left, and brown wrong footed as per usual

[Believer]

11 hours ago, SUNTANBILLS FAN said:

I disagree not one called play from under center! 

Two QB sneaks.

[FireChans]

28 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

theres a lot to not like about that play i think

 

in no particular order allen missing the diggs hot, morse not sliding protection left, and brown wrong footed as per usual

The bolded solves 2 and 3.

 

Josh didn't want 4 yards. He wanted big play, or chunk play scramble. 

[Beck Water]

12 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

It's the QB. Sacred cow around here, I know, but Josh Allen has been in the league long enough to know:

 

1) you can't be late over the middle

 

2) you shouldn't throw into triple coverage

 

3) that sometimes a sack and punting the ball away isn't a bad thing.

 

And yet he continues to make those mistakes. Tell me, at what point should the finger of responsibility be pointed at the QB who just crapped his pants on national TV? You can lead a horse to water, but if it does not drink, it's on the horse.

 

How can you look around and read this forum and think Josh Allen is some kind of "sacred cow around here"?  Seriously?

 

Dan Orlovsky spelled it out very nicely and IMHO is worth the listen

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/dan-orlovsky-analyzing-josh-allen-s-game-and-week-1-s-loss-to-the-jets

 

The three INT were absolutely throws that should not have been made, and he isn't shy about laying it on a mindset of Josh's that feels like "I will make a completion where there is none to be had".  He says he noted 7 plays where, in his words, Josh was "out of control"

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Beck Water said:

 

How can you look around and read this forum and think Josh Allen is some kind of "sacred cow around here"?  Seriously?

 

Dan Orlovsky spelled it out very nicely and IMHO is worth the listen

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/dan-orlovsky-analyzing-josh-allen-s-game-and-week-1-s-loss-to-the-jets

 

The three INT were absolutely throws that should not have been made, and he isn't shy about laying it on a mindset of Josh's that feels like "I will make a completion where there is none to be had".  He says he noted 7 plays where, in his words, Josh was "out of control"

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[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

The bolded solves 2 and 3.

 

Josh didn't want 4 yards. He wanted big play, or chunk play scramble. 

Yeah for sure

 

As soon as that DB comes down on blitz diggs is hot...Allen was just completely in his own head at that point

 

The scrambles haven't been as effective ever since DTs realized they can both pass rush and disengage easily on interior

 

 

[3rdand12]

its the Coaches
 

When an employee cannot succeed, Its on management. Period

I have explained this to some of my favorite  managers.
I can dive deep into this. But wont

Josh lost his way last night in the second half. No argument there.

 McD owns the loss. Plain and simple

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Yeah for sure

 

As soon as that DB comes down on blitz diggs is hot...Allen was just completely in his own head at that point

 

The scrambles haven't been as effective ever since DTs realized they can both pass rush and disengage easily on interior

 

 

Jets also have both the horses up front and the familiarity with Josh to make him pay.  That stunt disguised pressure was the cheese and Allen took the bait (as someone else said).

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

its the Coaches
 

When an employee cannot succeed, Its on management. Period

I have explained this to some of my favorite  managers.
I can dive deep into this. But wont

Josh lost his way last night in the second half. No argument there.

 McD owns the loss. Plain and simple

Sometimes the employee is incompetent. That's a legitimate problem