It ain't the coaches.

[Dillenger4]

It was a bad game by Josh. But I think Dorsey is a clown. Called a brutal game. I expect something to happen in Buffalo this week. We are not beating Miami this year that's for sure. Until we have a solid gameplan. Dorsey is gone.y

 

Josh: "Same ol sh7t different day".

 

It's Dorsey.

[NoSaint]

28 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

https://x.com/nfl_dougfarrar/status/1701578846787739915?s=46&t=OXyXgvyV9xUtz0I9HYtilg
 

Its clearly the coaches!

 

Choose Your Own Adventure: You have Dalton Kincaid open underneath on third-and-2, or you can test Sauce Gardner and Jordan Whitehead upfield. 

Huh.

Would coaching not be part of that decision?

 

”alright Josh - spider z, y banana on 2… remember, the outlet should be open for the first down. Don’t have to win it on this play”

 

is Josh getting that and saying screw you dorsey? If so, it’s a player issue but also a relationship with the coach issue. Josh is your franchise qb and has shown he earned that role. When that breaks, it’s rarely simply “that player forgot how to play and sucks” but instead a systems issue… he’s not a UDFA special teamer thrust into the lineup and not showing ability to make reads

[BeastMaster]

It wasn't McDermott lastnight, but make no mistake...when we get into the big games against the best teams in the playoffs, McDermott will get out coached.

 

He also bears the responsibility of reigning Allen in if Dorsey isn't able to. Dorsey also made some bad calls like the draw play in OT.

 

Allen has clearly regressed from when Daboll was here. Another OC could potentially help get Allen back to his MVP worthy status, but do you give McD another shot with a new OC? I wouldn't 

[PBF81]

3 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

It ain't the coaches.

 

It's never McD.  That's been established.  He's only the head coach.  

 

 

[Radar]

1 hour ago, 26TrapDraw said:

So throwing into triple coverage isn’t stupid? Josh made bad decisions last night period. Whatever the “Problem “ is needs to get fixed this week in the raiders game plan. If not this is going to be a very long season. The offense I saw called last night didn’t do him any favors either. Calling an inside run to our small rb against that dominant Jets front several times? Clownshow.

Stupid? No. Forcing the ball? Yes. Don't think this is a stupid thing.JMO Definitely agree with you on bad decisions.

Edited September 12, 2023 by Radar

[benderbender]

3 hours ago, dorquemada said:

Allen is a tremendous disappointment.  I guess we'll have to crank up the Excuse Generator and establish some kind of down year narrative. I'll start:

It's really hard to tell the Jets players and Bills players apart!

New girlfriend keeps him up late

Elbow still hurt

Feel free to add

Even more Delayed Onset Emotional Exhaustion from last year. Didn't quite get it all out. That's been the crutch all offseason. Let's ride that pony into the ground. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

3 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

It wasn't McDermott lastnight, but make no mistake...when we get into the big games against the best teams in the playoffs, McDermott will get out coached.

 

He also bears the responsibility of reigning Allen in if Dorsey isn't able to. Dorsey also made some bad calls like the draw play in OT.

 

Allen has clearly regressed from when Daboll was here. Another OC could potentially help get Allen back to his MVP worthy status, but do you give McD another shot with a new OC? I wouldn't 

I think Dorsey needs to be on the sidelines and out of the box to get a better feel for the game and get face-to-face time with his QB.  

 

I thought about McDermott sitting down on the sidelines and having a talk with Allen but the problem is he's calling the defense so when the offense in on the field he can't talk with Allen and when the defense is out there he's calling the plays.  So all he's got is halftime, time outs, and TV breaks.

[Rocbillsfan1]

1 hour ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Rose-colored glasses, PLENTY of terrible games by allen with daboll around.

 

Dude you are the king of horrible takes and excuses. Allen might have had bad moments but he played like a top 3 player in the NFL for a years under Daboll and I think he deserves MVP 1 of those years. You are also the same guy that said Allen looked good in the first half when he clearly didn’t and had happy feet and looked like a rookie that couldn’t stay in the pocket and go through his reads. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Rocbillsfan1 said:

Dude you are the king of horrible takes and excuses. Allen might have had bad moments but he played like a top 3 player in the NFL for a years under Daboll and I think he deserves MVP 1 of those years. You are also the same guy that said Allen looked good in the first half when he clearly didn’t and had happy feet and looked like a rookie that couldn’t stay in the pocket and go through his reads. 

he did, man. he was in control first half, went to ***** in the second, there's no debating that.

 

well, i mean i suppose someone of YOUR illustrious intelligence could debate a 17/21 start, but whatever. facts are facts.

 

[Rocbillsfan1]

You keep citing the completion percentage like it’s the only thing that matters. Seriously dude you don’t know what you are looking at. Figures with the barstool sports logo in your handle. 

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, Rocbillsfan1 said:

You keep citing the completion percentage like it’s the only thing that matters. Seriously dude you don’t know what you are looking at. Figures with the barstool sports logo in your handle. 

 

Josh may have not been great in the first half, but if he'd kept on that trajectory, instead of tail-spinned, the Bills would have won.

[Jerboski]

Allen played poorly 

 

but can we admit a few things 

 

not addrsssing the RT situation after last year is criminal 

 

Allen has regressed significantly under Dorsey just a fact 

 

allen was much better when he had a competent slot safety valve, why hasn’t beane figured that out 

 

it’s like we built this team to be good at defense and Allen carry everything on offense, just absurd 

[John from Riverside]

3 hours ago, Roundybout said:

Did Allen call a draw play on 2nd and 15 in OT?

What exactly is wrong with calling a draw and second and 15 in overtime
 

That is all determined by what a Defense presents

 

Let’s keep in mind that our QB threw in three interceptions up to that point

[Rocbillsfan1]

12 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

Josh may have not been great in the first half, but if he'd kept on that trajectory, instead of tail-spinned, the Bills would have won.

I can get behind that, yes the Bills should have one if he didn’t completely melt down. I’m just arguing that he didn’t look as good as people are saying. He was seeing Ghosts out there at times not getting through progressions not staying in the pocket, taking really bad hits and moving into pressure consistently. He never once really looked comfortable and moved like a top 3 player in the league. Basically people were happy that he looked like Trent Edwards and was checking the ball down quite a bit and at times getting the ball out quick for 3 yard passes. That’s not the MVP Allen We all know, and that’s not a player inspiring fear into the rest of the NFL. Squeaking by the Jets doesn’t give a lot of hope that we are Super Bowl bound when Tua is throwing for almost 500 yards, and the rest of the AFC is looking really tough. We don’t loook like a playoff team IMO with Josh playing check down and winning by a possession with the Jets playing Zach Wilson. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, Rocbillsfan1 said:

Basically people were happy that he looked like Trent Edwards and was checking the ball down quite a bit and at times getting the ball out quick for 3 yard passes.

 

CHECKING THE BALL DOWN AND TAKING THE QUICK STUFF WAS THE PLAN

 

crime in italy, man, this ain't rocket science

 

[UKBillFan]

Just now, Rocbillsfan1 said:

I can get behind that, yes the Bills should have one if he didn’t completely melt down. I’m just arguing that he didn’t look as good as people are saying. He was seeing Ghosts out there at times not getting through progressions not staying in the pocket, taking really bad hits and moving into pressure consistently. He never once really looked comfortable and moved like a top 3 player in the league. Basically people were happy that he looked like Trent Edwards and was checking the ball down quite a bit and at times getting the ball out quick for 3 yard passes. That’s not the MVP Allen We all know, and that’s not a player inspiring fear into the rest of the NFL. Squeaking by the Jets doesn’t give a lot of hope that we are Super Bowl bound when Tua is throwing for almost 500 yards, and the rest of the AFC is looking really tough. We don’t loook like a playoff team IMO with Josh playing check down and winning by a possession with the Jets playing Zach Wilson. 

 

But I think this is the point so many are saying - sometimes we don't need MVP Josh. Sometimes we don't need him to inspire fear into the NFL. Sometimes we just need him to win a game. The Trent Edwards approach would have been fine last night, dink and dunk, take the win, regroup and move on.

 

It's week one; the biggest week of under and over reactions. The Bills looked superb in week one last season yet soiled the bed in the Play Offs. Let's hope this year is the other way round.

[Einstein]

It can be more than one thing. And coaching is definitely part of the problem.

 

We played 2 LB’s against 13 personnel last night. We had Rapp playing pseudo LB lined up as a nickel. I mean… no wonder they were gashing us in the run.

[Rc2catch]

I think it’s pretty easy to see there’s a direct correlation to dabol leaving and Allen starting this steady decline. Paired with zero run game, they finished with I think 22 rush attempts in a game they lead most of, which of course is bottom 10 in the league for attempts for the week. Allen is due for his criticism, he’s made it almost impossible to defend him at this point. But they’re not doing him any favors 

[Simon]

15 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

I think it’s pretty easy to see there’s a direct correlation to dabol leaving and Allen starting this steady decline. Paired with zero run game, they finished with I think 22 rush attempts in a game they lead most of, which of course is bottom 10 in the league for attempts for the week. Allen is due for his criticism, he’s made it almost impossible to defend him at this point. But they’re not doing him any favors 

 

Of those 22 at least 5-6 of them were Allen taking off, so they actually probably only called up about 16 run plays in a game they led all night. 

Might have been a good night to protect Josh from himself.

[26TrapDraw]

1 hour ago, Radar said:

Stupid? No. Forcing the ball? Yes. Don't think this is a stupid thing.JMO Definitely agree with you on bad decisions.

I say Stupid because Allen is not a rookie. When they watch film this week I bet He will say that it was stupid or “I Know Better”. 
Rookie Qb’s do that not 5th year vets. He’s done it a ton. That’s why it’s stupid.