It ain't the coaches.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

It's the QB. Sacred cow around here, I know, but Josh Allen has been in the league long enough to know:

 

1) you can't be late over the middle

 

2) you shouldn't throw into triple coverage

 

3) that sometimes a sack and punting the ball away isn't a bad thing.

 

And yet he continues to make those mistakes. Tell me, at what point should the finger of responsibility be pointed at the QB who just crapped his pants on national TV? You can lead a horse to water, but if it does not drink, it's on the horse.

[NastyNateSoldiers]

Also depends how u raise the horse how u nurture the horse. Seems to me like the horse lost his trainer and now needs a new one. 

[dorquemada]

Just now, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

It's the QB. Sacred cow around here, I know, but Josh Allen has been in the league long enough to know:

 

1) you can't be late over the middle

 

2) you shouldn't throw into triple coverage

 

3) that sometimes a sack and punting the ball away isn't a bad thing.

 

And yet he continues to make those mistakes. Tell me, at what point should the finger of responsibility be pointed at the QB who just crapped his pants on national TV? You can lead a horse to water, but if it does not drink, it's on the horse.

 

Allen is a tremendous disappointment.  I guess we'll have to crank up the Excuse Generator and establish some kind of down year narrative. I'll start:

 

It's really hard to tell the Jets players and Bills players apart!

 

New girlfriend keeps him up late

 

Elbow still hurt

 

Feel free to add

[SUNTANBILLS FAN]

3 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

It's the QB. Sacred cow around here, I know, but Josh Allen has been in the league long enough to know:

 

1) you can't be late over the middle

 

2) you shouldn't throw into triple coverage

 

3) that sometimes a sack and punting the ball away isn't a bad thing.

 

And yet he continues to make those mistakes. Tell me, at what point should the finger of responsibility be pointed at the QB who just crapped his pants on national TV? You can lead a horse to water, but if it does not drink, it's on the horse.

I disagree not one called play from under center! 

[Not at the table Karlos]

Its on both.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Also depends how u raise the horse how u nurture the horse. Seems to me like the horse lost his trainer and now needs a new one. 

Ever own a horse?

 

Like people, some horses are just ignorant #######s, and are just gonna do whatever they want 

[Not at the table Karlos]

16 minutes ago, SUNTANBILLS FAN said:

I disagree not one called play from under center! 

I disagree that there wasn't plays called from under center. It's one of the ways we telegraph we're running. We ran a few plays from under center. Pretty sure all were runs. 

Edited September 12, 2023 by Not at the table Karlos

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 minute ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Also depends how u raise the horse how u nurture the horse. Seems to me like the horse lost his trainer and now needs a new one. 

I think after 13 seconds we should have kept Dabol and moved on from McDermott JUST because of Allen.  Hire Jim Schwartz and let him install a blitzing killer Defense and I think we would be better off.

 

I love Sean, but I can't thank him enough for what he has done, and he 100% was the right guy to right this Titanic franchise version. BUT, if you keep Allen as your QB you gotta have a very strong personality that keeps his butt on target. McDermott and Definitely Dorsey isn't that.

[strive_for_five_guy]

1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Ever own a horse?

 

Like people, some horses are just ignorant #######s, and are just gonna do whatever they want 

Maybe Josh is better served as a gelding and not a colt? 😝

[Radar]

Josh is very talented. Josh isn't stupid. I do think he tries to force things and do to much. Why? Probably some is just in his DNA but coaching is also questionable. Our coaching seems very average at best.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, strive_for_five_guy said:

Maybe Josh is better served as a gelding and not a colt? 😝

He needs neutering 

[peterpan]

2 minutes ago, SUNTANBILLS FAN said:

I disagree not one called play from under center! 

Allen has been playing so poorly, you can’t even evaluate Dorsey as a play caller, because his plays aren’t being run.

[Roundybout]

Quarterbacks are products of coaching.

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 minute ago, peterpan said:

Allen hasbeen playing so poorly, you can’t even evaluate Dorsey as a play caller, because his plays aren’t being run.

Thank you!  There ARE guys open, he refuses to throw to them

[Chaos]

Its the coaches. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

5 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Thank you!  There ARE guys open, he refuses to throw to them

That ain't on the coaches 

[colin]

As soon as we didn't get some 3rd downs (and we were close mind you) doing dink and dunk Josh decided he was just gonna play hero ball.  3 of the 4 turnovers were horrible decisions while not under duress, and he walked into pressure or left clean pockets other times.

 

Dorsey has to figure out how to get the I working best, and he's no where near that yet, but Allen just not throwing those three horrible decision throws means we win walking away

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, colin said:

As soon as we didn't get some 3rd downs (and we were close mind you) doing dink and dunk Josh decided he was just gonna play hero ball.  3 of the 4 turnovers were horrible decisions while not under duress, and he walked into pressure or left clean pockets other times.

 

Dorsey has to figure out how to get the I working best, and he's no where near that yet, but Allen just not throwing those three horrible decision throws means we win walking away

It was working, the QB abandoned ship when he didn't need to

[Roundybout]

12 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Thank you!  There ARE guys open, he refuses to throw to them

Did Allen call a draw play on 2nd and 15 in OT?

[K D]

BECAUSE it's the QB...it's also the coaches!

 

Josh needs to play in structure. Enough of this running around like an idiot doing whatever he wants. He needs a strong and experienced OC. 3 steps and throw it here. No big hits. For every hit he is fined $5,000. He's not learning or getting better. That's the problem