Josh has lost confidence… reasons why.

[MAJBobby]

4 hours ago, motorj said:

Keep an extra blocker in there like Knox, because the OL is still letting him down

Now the facts.

 

Josh Allen was pressured on 26% of drop backs (10th Lowest of any QB week 1) - GOOD JOB OL

 

Now despite that took 9 Hits (3rd most) 5 sacks (5th most) and sacked on 11% of Drops (5th most)

 

Translation it WASNT THE OL.  IT WAS 17.

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, 90sBills said:

I thought he was humbled in the Cincy game. He said all the right things afterwards. He promised to be committed to the game in the offseason. Then did this in his first game against a team that lost its savior and was waiting to be finished off. How much more humbling does he need?

I dont know, it is concerning.

[UKBillFan]

1 hour ago, 90sBills said:

I thought he was humbled in the Cincy game. He said all the right things afterwards. He promised to be committed to the game in the offseason. Then did this in his first game against a team that lost its savior and was waiting to be finished off. How much more humbling does he need?

 

My only hope is, against the Bengals, it was a case of everyone running out of steam so there was mitigation for the humbling. Maybe he said the right words, but felt it was something a summer away from football would actually solve.

 

No excuse for yesterday, so can only hope it does act as an actual wake up call. My greatest concern is it will make him second guess himself even more.

It's a shame Rodgers is in the division and Brady used to play in division as I could otherwise see them being happy to try and help him. But why would they do so when it would potentially be to the detriment of the Jets and Pats?

[Cache]

Josh just flat aims for the fences most every time. With that, he will occasionally hit some homers, and they simply become intoxicating for him. When he does actually hit a single, he attempts to stretch it into a double, or a clear double trying to become a triple, and gets thrown out a  lot because of it. Okay enough of the baseball analogies.... Football is a game of inches and requires discipline and patience. I know he wants to be everyone's friend/hero and really is a great guy and amazing talent.  But if it means Diggs gets fewer attempts in order to methodically move the chains, then so be it!  Some people find it hard to take what the defense gives them. I think last night just may have a big enough impact on him that he will learn from it and make adjustments.  I still believe this team will be fine this season.

[Nihilarian]

5 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

The line is better than last year.  They held up OK against a great D line last night overall.  Dorsey made some head scratching calls, but Josh had guys open and didn’t take the easy throw.  And I don’t think defenses have figured things out.

 

Last night Josh just sucked.  Too much hero ball.  He needs to take what’s there, and last night he didn’t.

This!

 

Plus, with Daboll who would yell at him for his mistakes, and the fact that I think he was afraid to lose his job if he threw too many INTs. Now he knows that won't happen as he has no real competition for his job. 

 

Take the underneath stuff and more throws to the backs and TEs. much much more misdirection to make those defensive players get gassed. Spread formation and hurry-up offense.

 

Dorsey looked clueless against that defense. 

 

 

[Einstein]

 

[SCBills]

All this talk about the OL... they weren't good.  They also weren't a disaster. 

 

They were passable enough to win that game, easily, against a Rodgers-less Jets team with an elite Defense.  

 

Jets might have the best DL in the NFL, certainly Top 3, and it's paired with good linebackers and an elite secondary.  The Chiefs actually invest in their OL and were struggling due to one guy... now multiply that and include sticky coverage on the back end.  Our OL did enough. 

[jethro_tull]

Josh should call the plays.  

[ColoradoBills]

I hate to admit that I don't know who is running the offense.  Is it Dorsey, Josh Allen or some weird combination of the 2.

Whoever it is has to realize that a good number of DCs have figured out how to neutralize the Bills O too often.

 

I'm sure that there is enough tape on the Bills that the technique of that neutralizing is becoming well known.

It seems to me that either Dorsey is not implementing a game plan that can work, or he is, and Josh and the O can't execute it,

or a combination of both (which sadly I'm beginning to think is the fact).

 

This happens all the time in the NFL.  It's a constant game of cat and mouse and if you do that, we'll adjust and do this.

I'm going to rewatch that horrible game and see if the Raiders are going to attempt to mimic the Jets.  If they do the Bills O better

know how to ADJUST.

 

 

 

[PayDaBill$]

Josh doesn’t like the game sped up and pressure. I’ve mentioned it twice when things get hectic & not going his way, offensive scheme not working, o line lapses he gets saucer-eyes.  When that occurs bad things happen. He loses his composure.

 

He needs to be more like Brady Mahomes etc those guys don’t get rattled.

[K-9]

I don’t think Josh has lost confidence when it’s his (over) confidence that results in the unnecessary hero ball tactics. 
 

My concern is, are his teammates going to start to lose confidence in him. 

[Georgia Bill]

2 hours ago, Dubie54 said:

I think it’s all psychological with him. The stage was too big for Josh last night and when that happens he panics, the game is too fast for him. 
 

Did you notice how Josh just sat there on the sidelines with the crazy eyes deer in head lights look? Not talking to the coaches, looking at a tablet, etc. He just seemed like he was out on an island and the pressure just continued to build as the game went on.

 

Tom Brady would always be looking at the tablet to review plays, talk with other players, talk to the coaches up in the booth, and was engaged in the game. No matter what the situation Brady always seemed to have that look of “just give me the ball and we’ll get this done.” Last night, Josh didn’t look like he wanted to be there. The eyes said it all.

 

I don’t know what’s happened to the kid but he’s regressed significantly and he appears to be totally out of sync with the game around him. 

Those on the bench glimpses of him have always concerned me.  Just sitting there, sulking, vacant stare when things aren't going well.  Never looking at a tablet to see what the defense is doing and figure out how to adjust.  Even when he hasn't made any big mistakes, I've never seen him looking at a tablet.  Josh Allen has shown a lot of greatness, and I love having him as a QB - but would like to see him figure out how to really learn from mistakes and adjust his behavior, both on the field and on the sidelines.  In real time - during the game.

[Trust The Process]

Allen is psychologically broken from years of carrying this offense on his back

[BananaB]

I think he has lack of confidence in almost everyone around him besides Diggs, plus himself. Looked the same way at the end of last year as well. On top of that he got McD wanting him to play safe physically which put more emphasis on him playing smarter and relying on these guys he already lacks confidence in.  
 

Big part of the Jets D is that they can get the pressure they want without sending any extra guys. That’s trouble for any QB. It’s more trouble for the Bills because besides Diggs no one has stepped up and proven they can be consistently relied on. 

Edited September 12, 2023 by BananaB

[Trust The Process]

Allen obviously doesn't trust his offensive line, running game, Dorsey, and Beane. Yes Beane, for years for not building an above average offensive line or running game, and for handing the keys to the castle to a rookie OC. A rookie OC!!! A premiere talent like Allen should be surrounded by some of the best and the brightest OC's. A bright offensive mind will salivate to coach Allen, there would be a laundry list of top candidates. 

 

 

[corta765]

7 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I may be wrong but I don't remember hearing much about Josh heading back to Carson Palmer the last 2 off-seasons to fine tune himself and get some work on his flaws like he did early in his career 

 

He actually completed nearly 75% of his passes last night. Palmer helped with his throwing motion and becoming a better more fluid passer. That does not alter his bonehead decision making unfortunately lol

[SectionC3]

3 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

 

It's not just saying 'No', it's the way it's said as well. I'm pretty sure McDermott laid the law down to Josh after that ridiculous hurdle in the 2nd Quarter but, instead of getting him into line, it seemed to lead to a full meltdown. Daboll, for the most part, seemed to know how to get through to Josh though he still had awful games under him. Do the Bills have anyone on the coaching staff able to have the requisite impact?

I agree on the means of communication.  I doubt there’s anyone there to tell him to pound salt.  And that’s a problem. 

2 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

 

My only hope is, against the Bengals, it was a case of everyone running out of steam so there was mitigation for the humbling. Maybe he said the right words, but felt it was something a summer away from football would actually solve.

 

No excuse for yesterday, so can only hope it does act as an actual wake up call. My greatest concern is it will make him second guess himself even more.

It's a shame Rodgers is in the division and Brady used to play in division as I could otherwise see them being happy to try and help him. But why would they do so when it would potentially be to the detriment of the Jets and Pats?

All offseason I chalked up the Bengals to emotional exhaustion and some extraordinary events preceding the game.  I don’t want to overreact based on one game, and I won’t.  But I’m concerned that our QB is a benevolent, funny, kind, and yet reckless knucklehead who will never change his ways.  

[Milanos Milano]

This is the heart of the problem. Allen is like a tweaked out artist. Way too much “going with the flow” or “reacting in the moment”  . There is no plan, no precision, no rhythm. Maybe Allen will never be that type of QB, and will always be the one that improvises on the fly. But I’m not convinced that kind of QB can win in todays game. When you watch old Manning videos, everything was nearly timed, and smooth. It was a clean clinic. When I watch Allen, half the time it’s the exact opposite, just crazy randomness with an amusement park rollercoaster that brings the thrills but on dangerous tracks that haven’t been maintained. Sure it’s fun and enthralling, but it’s not reliable or even sustainable due to the increased risks. 

It’s increasingly noticeable the tougher the defenses we play against. The chaos approaches infinity. I think DCs are finally realizing that Allen doesn’t like being boxed in and coloring within the lines. They bait him, they dare him, and he just can’t help himself. Every time it works. I sometimes wonder if Allen hasn’t been diagnosed with ADHD or something, because I see zero focusing out there or even self control. Which is incredibly sad, because Allens talent is just off the charts, but his impulse control reminds you of an edgy teenager that hasn’t fully developed mentally. 

Is it even possible for Allen to become a surgeon on the field? It’s now year 6 and there is little signs of it. Is it coachable, or is Allen simply just incapable of learning? 

Edited September 12, 2023 by Araiza Curse

[Jauronimo]

Thats really interesting to me because my dad has a lot of blood in his stool.

[Goin Breakdown]

Or he'll be "cut for the very first time"