Postgame Thoughts

[BobbyC81]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

So many here refuse to see the obvious. 

Wish it was that simple with Allen. 

It seemed that Daboll finally got thru to Josh the way he played in 2020 and ‘21.  There was noticeable regression last season but hopefully this game was not an indication that he’s regressed back to his 1st couple of years.

[ALG1130]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Just getting real sick and tired of feeling like there’s now a logjam of teams that are physically, and mentally, tougher than us. 
 

Jets likely knew Rodgers was done for the year at halftime.  They came out and played with pure heart, knowing that the Super Bowl aspirations that franchise had are gone .. and they may only ever see those handful of snaps of Rodgers in a Jets jersey at 40 years old now with that injury/rehab.  Don’t be shocked if he hangs em up.  
 

We, on the other hand, got physically punched in the mouth.. just like the Bengals game, and just like the Bengals game, our QB and coaching staff had no counter punch.  
 

This team is mentally and physically soft… and until that changes, we will struggle against teams that want to bare knuckle brawl all game. 
 

Sadly, I think we’re stuck at this plateau level with McDermott.  I hope not, but it really feels like we’ve been churning to get over the hump the past two years and now we have to safeguard against the collapse.   I’d love to be wrong, but man… I wish Daboll was here.  

I do agree with some of this. So much mental stuff, and you can literally see/tell when The Bills start losing the fight, and just giving up. I don't know why it happens, but it's a thing. There are times when they fight back, I think of the Tampa game a couple years ago, divisional back and forth with KC, Baltimore last year, but a lot of times you see them fold when it gets tough, especially if they had the lead/momentum, and it shifts. 

 

I often wonder if this is a drained team. 3 or 4 years of expectations from a team that is getting older, and a lot of baggage. This is why I wanted more shakeups in the off season and wasn't on board with getting the whole band back together. They have all been through the highs and lows together, but I worry they are now in a funk together.

[Nelius]

This is about all it took to suck a bunch of the remaining excitement out of me, I don't care if it's Week 1. I was pretty optimistic heading into this season despite all of the chatter, didn't agree with much of it. The ONLY thing that could have changed my mind was a complete Josh rewind and that's exactly what we got.

 

It's Year 6 and I don't want to hear about how bad Burrow was this week. A start to the year like this against a division rival is near inexcusable. It's not the L so much as the way he/they did it; just weak looking, confused, the exact same stuff that we've dealt with for years that multiple members have already noted. How are we not at minimum overcoming the confused Josh era?

 

And all against Zach Wilson lololol. All of the hype was Rodgers in NY this year. The Jets weren't projected to be SB winners because of potentially Zach Wilson, it was all about Aaron Rodgers. I think I limited any enthusiasm for his injury but a good team would have capitalized and not crumbled. This is going to be such a tough loss for the entire season.

[Sjwalker1]

3 hours ago, arcane said:

There's a reason that Bellichick starts from scratch with, and harps on, fundamentals and situational awareness, more than any coach I've ever seen. And it's no coincidence his teams were so COMPETENT, even when you account for having the GOAT QB. The Bills do not do this well enough. This week they were embarrassing, in fact, and couldn't handle a close, back and forth game when both offenses weren't going to light it up. The problem is, that’s NFL football. Even the Chiefs with Andy Reid and Pat Mahomes, often find themselves in a slog. They win them. We don’t. There are a million people to blame, and a million tiny reasons why it keeps happening. But these guys need to learn that this is what football is, and they need to learn to be comfortable executing the boring stuff in those situations.

 

Josh is at the forefront of that. He was doing just fine in the first half, it looked like the second Jets game last year - accept that you aren't going to dunk on these guys, and dink on them instead. Even the first pick - it looks like he didn't have a rushing lane or an open receiver, so he heaved one up in hopes of a flag, and if it's picked, it's basically a punt. That's fine. I guess he decided he was done beating the Jets the way you are supposed to in the third quarter though, and he put on a display of the least-clutch, least-in-control quarterbacking I have seen from him since he was a guy I was convinced we'd be moving on from. @Shaw66's worries about Josh were on full display today - the kid could be the best in the world if he wanted to. It's year 6. I don't think he wants to. 

 

If you fumble a snap, fall on it. don't run straight at Quinnen Williams to try and get that extra half of a yard. Just sit on it. If the throw isn't there, don't force it. Put it in the dirt, live to play another down. Josh, you are human, and you need to be a quarterback for this team to go anywhere. Not whatever the hell that was. This game was all lined up to play out like last year’s home game vs. the Jets – the Bills would have found their way to 20 points, and would have left with a 20-13 win. Josh didn’t want it that way I guess. He’s taken this class 10 times, so I’m not sure it’s a lesson he’s capable of learning.

 

I am not trying to infer that Dorsey is perfect – but he was doing what all the film-heads said you have to do to beat the Jets. Josh is the one that bailed. Yeah, that draw play in OT was mind-numbing. Anti-clutch on all levels. 0-5 in OT. These guys are great when they are great. If they are drawn into the muck, they are as bad as any bad team can be. Whatever they are doing to teach composure and fundamentals, it seems to work less each year. They are on a timer and need to get this figured out.

You know, as I think about that last paragraph more, if Dorsey can’t keep Allen on track, it doesn’t matter what his plays look like. In 2020 Allen threw 10 picks. He’s a third of the way there after one game. In theory it’s possible to stop this.

 

Our safeties are old. Our defense has some great players that will make big plays this year, but they will not be a top 5 defense purely because of their personnel. Poyer struggled to tackle Allen Lazard. That is disturbing. They will try to get Kirksey worked up as quickly as possible I think. Bernard got lost too often. I am not particularly worried about the unit in today’s NFL, unless Josh plays like this every week. Then they will need to be better, they will need to be near perfect. But against teams that aren’t the Jets, I saw things that make me think the D will be fine on balance.
 

The Jets clearly know how to stifle Allen to a degree unmatched by any other team. I think Saleh took that 2020 game personally. And I think he’s put together a defense worthy of the talk they’ve been getting. This is not an excuse, as the Bills still should have beaten them.
 

The Jets have likely lost Rodgers for the year based on what I saw. Either way, when he threw that first pass  away, I wondered aloud how on earth that guy is going to make it through one full NFL game, let alone a season. He looked beyond shot. Their Super Bowl aspirations were probably a mirage, unless they really are the 85 Bears.
 

It’s a long season and nobody else on the Bills schedule can play defense that well. I’m not sure exactly who handled what well and poorly, the tape will tell us. But this offense is going to be able to move the ball and do damage against most teams. My concern is not that we have a bad team, I don’t think we do. It’s not that we won’t win a lot of games, I saw enough tonight to think we will. This game will be a distant memory in November, the Bengals and Chiefs will say the same thing. But I am starting to be concerned that they aren’t just drawing insane streaks of bad luck at bad times, or enduring fluky gaffes that surely won’t/can’t happen again. I’m starting to be concerned that it’s been too long, games like this keep popping up here and there, and players will start to be convinced in their core that it won’t be overcome. Because then things might will get ugly.
 

In the NFL, it’s usually true that things aren’t as good as they feel after a win, and aren’t as bad as they seem after a loss. That’s probably true here too, but there is a clock ticking and at this point nobody is denying that they can hear it.

The fact of the matter is the owners have mailed it in. They could've told Beane get us some players that are not on the trash heap. They are cutting cost and waiting until they get their ROI. It's going to backfire as this team is spiraling down quickly and the owners will not fill those PSL seats with this crap on the field. The giants are the only team that played worse than The Bills this weekend. Talk about shutting the SB window that MF has been bricked up after this finely reloaded team by Brandon Beane.

[BananaB]

1 hour ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

I am tired of Josh Allen being almost this whole team.   Yeah, I said it

Teams getting old and they are scared to move on to new players. It’s like a car depreciating in value but you’re still paying the same monthly bill. O looks the same as last year, no surprise they didn’t bring in any guys who have locked down a position in the NFL before besides old man Murray. 

Edited September 12, 2023 by BananaB

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

We're a good team.  Tackling is probably the deficiency overall.  Too many almost tackles that should have been actual bring-downs.  If the D doesn't correct that, they'll be game-planned for as a bunch of pussies. 

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

I certainly don't mean to short the defense, they played really nice.  But we lost to Zach Wilson.  

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

The Bills had a chance to put a big hurt on the Jets before halftime, and they threw it away.

 

After Milano's interception, the Bills were driving, but after the two minute warning, the Bills let the clock run under a minute and looked as if they were in no hurry to score.

 

By wasting all that time doing NOTHING, they had to settle for a field goal instead of getting a touchdown.

 

We've seen moments like this before, and it has got to stop.

 

This scenario was a one of the factors as to why we lost this game.

 

I mean Dorsey called a touchdown play on that second down. Cook had the defender beat and woulda walked in. Josh under threw it.

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

1 hour ago, BobbyC81 said:

It seemed that Daboll finally got thru to Josh the way he played in 2020 and ‘21.  There was noticeable regression last season but hopefully this game was not an indication that he’s regressed back to his 1st couple of years.

So, your concept is that he got smarter... then stupider?

I mean maybe, but it's only mostly because he got interested in astrophysics.  

[Peace Frog]

Looks to me like the Jets have drafted better the last couple of years than we have and it has caught up to us.

[Lfod]

You live by the sword and you die by the sword and that sword is Josh Allen. Wish the team had a run game. Wondering if another OC could be an answer. 

 

I'm not over reacting yet. This team has put up a few stinkers and been fine. This game was laid out for the Bills taking. All Jete hopes and dreams crushed in 4 plays and the Bills still couldn't make it happen. 

Edited September 12, 2023 by Lfod

[All_Pro_Bills]

This team beats itself through a series of blunders by the players and coaches.  Last night once again.  

 

As soon as Rodgers went out McDermott should have dropped that base nickel and went 4-3.  Everybody knew what was coming, lots of runs.  Big chunks plays too.  Who was surprised?  They wern't going 3 or 4 or 5 wide and throwing the ball downfield.  Was he paying attention?

 

After halftime I thought the only way the Bills lose is with turnovers.  I expect lots of others thought the same.  And Josh delivered right on schedule.

 

And I'm sorry, James Cook is not a feature back.  Damien Harris, 1 carry.  He should have been getting fed the ball on running plays against a very good front where space and running holes are lacking.  Move the chains, shorten the game in the 2nd half. 

 

The Jets stayed in hi two safety all night not worried about run support because as usual no commitment to the run when the situation called for it.  No Rodgers.

 

Nothing the Bills did looked unexpected.  Like they were sitting in on Dorsey's game plan sessions all week.  I didn't see anything particularly obvious out of Ken to feel they did anything unique or specific to the  Jets. 

 

It's the same predictable stuff again with a little better receiver group.  Where's the creativity and awareness of Josh's lack of patience and judgement when he's got to play the short game?  This dog needs a shorter leash.  

 

Is the offensive line any better? We'll see in the next few weeks.

 

 

[oldmanfan]

Josh sucked.  Plain and simple.  And he won’t suck like that very often.  This was basically a replay of last year’s game in NJ.  Josh sucked then too.  The epitome of him trying to do too much wasn’t the 3 horrible picks or the fumble, but that 3rd down play where he tried to jump over two guys 5 yards short of a first down.  That epitomized his dumb play last night.

 

Dorsey can call whatever he wants but if Josh reverts to hero ball then he is prone to making mistakes like he did last night.  The O line held up reasonably well against a great D line; Williams is a beast inside.  Our D except for the one big run did pretty well.  Don’t give me Bernard playing bad and all that stuff; he was OK.  Some are saying Tre is done but he had Wilson covered like a blanket on that TD; the guy just made a phenomenal play.  Only thing I saw on D is that Poyer has slowed down a lot.

 

McD and Dorsey have to sit Josh down and drill it into his skull that the great QBs take what is given them.  I’d bring Brady or Manning into OBD for a talk with him.  This team is still good.  But no team wins when the QB has a day like ours did.

[Chandler#81]

Hey!😡

Leave m’boy Josh Peterman alone!

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 hour ago, Peace Frog said:

Looks to me like the Jets have drafted better the last couple of years than we have and it has caught up to us.

Easy to do when you're not winning, no

[Niagara Dude]

4 hours ago, BananaB said:

Teams getting old and they are scared to move on to new players. It’s like a car depreciating in value but you’re still paying the same monthly bill. O looks the same as last year, no surprise they didn’t bring in any guys who have locked down a position in the NFL before besides old man Murray. 

Beane,  too many older guys making big money that the Bills should have moved on from.  I say Beane should trade for Taylor or this offence will sputter against good playoff level teams.  Why is anyone worried about giving up draft cap for Taylor from the Colts should look at some of Beane high round picks in the past 3-4 years.  The Bills need a star RB to help Allen out,  if they plan to play 2 TE sets then go get a star elite back.  Cook is a situational RB and can break tackles

[Fan boy '92]

Is it me or would Devin Singletary be the best back on this team?

[dorquemada]

7 minutes ago, Fan boy '92 said:

Is it me or would Devin Singletary be the best back on this team?

 

Yup.  i've seen enough of Cook being the lead back, at this point Harris should be carrying the load.  use cook as the all purpose gimmick back for triple reverses and having the RB throw the ball, that sort of thing

[bmur66]

• Diggs was right. They stink.
• Ed Oliver getting pancaked. Not the guy I'd give big money to.
• Allen needs some good coaching. He picked up right where he left off last year. Why was nobody in his ear when he was clearly out of sorts.
• Cook is not a work horse back.
• People would take Zach Wilson more seriously if he could grow some facial hair.

 

Edited September 12, 2023 by bmur66

[Solomon Grundy]

I'm ready to move on from Gabe Davis, Tre White, Bernard at MLB, James Cook as the starting RB. The Deonte Harty signing is a joke. Spencer Brown getting bull rushed into his QB on multiple occasions was pitiful. Leonard Floyd, Groot and Milano had good games