2023 NFL Season - Week #1 - Bills at Jets - Post game game thread

[MPT]

3 minutes ago, HurlyBurly51 said:

Sure, based on their entire body of work, Mahomes is better than Allen.  Anyone who believes the contrary is the ultimate homer😂

 

Depends what you consider "better." Allen is a better overall football player but Mahomes is a better QB. If you switched where the two got drafted, they'd probably have exactly the opposite number of Super Bowl wins. You need talent to win Super Bowls, but you will never win with inept coaching.

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2 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

For sure. I appreciate having Allen in a Bills uniform. Just seems like he falls short too often in big games. His turnovers are really bothersome. He wasn't elite or franchise tonight. 

 

He has a mixed record in big games. He has been spectacular in some.

 

Tonight, btw, was not a big game.

 

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

Diggs was very concerned about the direction of this team.
 

The Bills just spun it the other way around. 

[Nelius]

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

I forgot Davis was even playing tonight.

Initial impression was that he actually looked really good on his very few opportunities 

[LABILLBACKER]

2 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

In overtime he did put the ball in Dawson Knox’s hands and watched him drop it 

Yup, that was very catchable.  

[newcam2012]

22 minutes ago, Fetou said:

  

He became magical for a stretch where it seemed like every first down you needed you would get. He went toe to toe with Mahomes in the playoffs and had him dead to rights.

 

There has been a ton of regression since then. That feeling of always being a moment away from a chunk play has passed. It's hard from a fan perspective to identify how much of that is losing Daboll and the scheme, how much is other teams adapting their strategy, and how much of that is simply Josh Allen's personal regression.

 

My gut at this point is that Allen has some sort of mental issue going on as it relates to performance and confidence. The scheme making things more difficult could certainly be tied in with that, as making his job easier could help him settle in. Also he suffered through some awful line play last year, which can develop some bad habits.

 

The raw ability is still there, but he's not performing anywhere near his public perception for quite some time now.  

Really well stated  

[dpberr]

Play calls stunk.

 

Trying, sometimes desperately, to make Cook happen.

 

Demoralizing loss. 

[AuntieEm]

15 minutes ago, Fetou said:

  

He became magical for a stretch where it seemed like every first down you needed you would get. He went toe to toe with Mahomes in the playoffs and had him dead to rights.

 

There has been a ton of regression since then. That feeling of always being a moment away from a chunk play has passed. It's hard from a fan perspective to identify how much of that is losing Daboll and the scheme, how much is other teams adapting their strategy, and how much of that is simply Josh Allen's personal regression.

 

My gut at this point is that Allen has some sort of mental issue going on as it relates to performance and confidence. The scheme making things more difficult could certainly be tied in with that, as making his job easier could help him settle in. Also he suffered through some awful line play last year, which can develop some bad habits.

 

The raw ability is still there, but he's not performing anywhere near his public perception for quite some time now.  

 

I don't think Daboll is some great oc.  He is capable but I don't rate him as the reason Josh improved after his first year.  I certainly don't think Josh is working on his game as diligently as he did the first few years in his offseasons.   It's all about celebrity golf tourney now and just  having his fun.  He certainly earns a vacation but these guys get like 5 months off.  Plenty of time to have fun yet putting in the effort to improve  whatever weak points he has in his game.  

[Shortchaz]

This game looked like two 8-9. Or 9-8 teams slugging it out. 

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Just now, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

For everyone’s sanity, avoid the national media this week at all costs!!!

 

I can save everyone a ton of time:

 - The Bills window is definitely closed

 - Allen can't get over his turnover problem - he'll never rise to the level of (insert hot QB here, along w/ Mahomes)

 - It's Miami's division now

 - Blah, blah, blah - hot take - blah, blah, blah

 

 

[klos63]

4 minutes ago, MPT said:

 

Respectfully, wtf are you talking about? Every single time Dorsey called up a Cook run on 1st down it went for a loss. How does any QB succeed when they only have 2 downs to get over 10 yards? Especially against one of the league's best pass defenses?

 

You beat good pass rushes with play action and screens. The Jets' only defensive personnel weakness are the linebackers.

 

Zero play action. Zero screens. No mismatches in the middle of the field. 

 

Fire Dorsey now. Replace him with literally anybody who can present a coherent game plan.

The Jets are weak at LB?

 

I started looking a drives, cook had a 12 yard gain on a first and 10, so you are wrong there. 

 

The game plan was doing ok against a top defense, except for 4 really stupid turnovers by Allen. Can't expect to win with that.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

This team would be deadly with the 15 Cam MVP panthers NFC championship offense. I have said it 10k times. That’s the guy Josh is. Stop trying to make him Drew Brees. Jesus, build the offense around him throwing for 200 2tds and running for 60 and a TD. The 19 offense was probably my favorite and it was by far the simplest. Stop trying to have this guy throw for 350 yards and do what he can do better than anyone. Power run and kill you on play action. Give me that Mike Schula Cam offense and stop trying to be Mahomes.

[Billz4ever]

Just now, Nelius said:

Initial impression was that he actually looked really good on his very few opportunities 

First catch was in 3rd quarter? Not what I expect out of WR2.

[MPT]

31 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

True, but those impossible tasks are exactly what I think hinders him from become a more mature QB. 

 

Zach Wilson didn't have to make any great plays to win this game. A couple handoffs to Hall, a lob to Garrett Wilson, and a punt return TD. That's the difference between good coaching and whatever we have.

[AuntieEm]

19 minutes ago, MPT said:

 

He played the perfect game against NE with a different coordinator. This new one makes him play from 2nd & 12 every single drive.

 

No he makes himself play for 2nd and 12 every drive because he won't wear out defenses by drinking and dunking all around the field they aren't protecting.

[The Frankish Reich]

5 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

What about McDermott declining offensive pass interference that would have put the Jets out of FG position making it 3rd 23?

I had no idea why he did that. That was just handing the Jets 3 points. You might do that against Chiefs and Mahomes, but this is the Jets and Wilson. Bizarre. 

[MPT]

Just now, AuntieEm said:

 

No he makes himself play for 2nd and 12 every drive because he won't wear out defenses by drinking and dunking all around the field they aren't protecting.

 

Drinking and dunking is what I am doing.

[Nelius]

Just now, Billz4ever said:

First catch was in 3rd quarter? Not what I expect out of WR2.

Completely agree but only 4 targets. Can’t tell how much of that is on him, Dorsey, Allen but I suspect it’s not much his fault. Offense didn’t spread it around much at all despite all of our supposed weapons. Our big boy TEs had 8 targets combined.

[Sisyphean Bills]

3 minutes ago, wvbillsfan said:

Agree 

Getting guys like that and improving our guard play was supposed to mean we weren’t gonna throw it 40 plus times a game. Some smash mouth football with those guys helps out oline wear guys down. 
Just don’t feel like we will ever commit to running the ball to balance our offense 

Well, the change of pace micro-back was the game plan apparently.

Raw speed is great ... in space ... which he didn't really have, because Murray only came in at the end of the game. 😬

[78thealltimegreat]

I’d heavily advise if there are any shows you need to get caught up on Netflix on. Watch them the next few days cause the Bills are going to take an absolute beating for the next few days.