Chargers blew it

[dollars 2 donuts]

14 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said:

If Tua had been drafted in the 2nd or 3rd round, or even just the late 1st, I think people would have a more realistic appreciation of his game.  He's a good, solid, well above-average QB with durability issues who can take a team as far as their supporting cast allows.  He is not in the same category as Mahomes, Burrow, or Allen.  If I were building a team from scratch, I would definitely want Herbert over Tua.  But I do think Tua is in the same general tier as players like Lawrence, Fields, Jackson, etc.  Those are good players too, who I think would have similar levels of success if they were on this Miami team.  

 

The problem is that Tua was heralded as some sort of generational prospect -- "tank for Tua" -- that he obviously isn't.  I mean, he's fine.  He's a good QB.  Miami did not whiff that pick the way Cleveland whiffed on Mayfield or New York whiffed on Darnold.  People just need to find a middle ground between "he's elite" and "he sucks."  Neither of those statements is true.

He’s not fine, he’s good.  Maybe very good.

 

You also placed him in a tier with other highly touted 1st round picks who are also good. 

 

What fans cheer as far as “Tank for Tua” makes no difference and this far into his career anyone, even them and us, should be well over it.

 

The nuts and bolts is whether he is a good QB or not? 
 

In his last 14 games he has 4,000 yards passing, 28 passing tds, 9 picks and an overall QB rating of about 105.  Recency and primacy. 
 

He is really a pretty good QB, and he is in our division. 
 

 

 

Edited September 11, 2023 by dollars 2 donuts

[Warriorspikes51]

Bosa and Mack being invisible all game when OT Armstead wasn't on the field....was upsetting 

[Shaw66]

I had two reactions to the game. 

 

First, I think the Chargers' problem is their head coach.  I watch that team and I always think they are underprepared.   The lack of discipline on the pass interference at the end of the half was astonishing.  The Chargers always shoot themselves in the,  foot, and usually it's with an AR-47 and not just a pistol. 

 

Second, Tua and the Dolphins are really good.   Tua is smart and an excellent decision maker, and he is an extremely accurate thrower.  It's remarkable how accurate his throws are, over and over.  The two throws to Hill to win the game were just two examples, but every throw is on the money.   And McDaniel is perfect for him.  The Dolphins passing attack consistently gets receivers open over the middle, where Tua's accurate arm can find them.  (Tua's arm strength is suspect, and throws to the boundary challenge him, so throwing over the middle is critical).   He gets receivers open with unusual formations and routes.   Yesterday he was starting a receiver in motion a half-count before the snap, so that the defense was caught reacting to the motion when the snap came.  It was very clever - it gave the motion receiver an instantaneous advantage that helped open him up for a short throw.  

 

I don't know how good their defense is, but their offense is tough to stop. 

[DCofNC]

7 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

He’s not fine, he’s good.  Maybe very good.

 

You also placed him in a tier with other highly touted 1st round picks who are also good. 

 

What fans cheer as far as “Tank for Tua” makes no difference and this far into his career anyone, even them and us, should be well over it.

 

The nuts and bolts is whether he is a good QB or not? 
 

In his last 14 games he has 4,000 yards passing, 28 passing tds, 9 picks and an overall QB rating of about 105.  Recency and primacy. 
 

He is really a pretty good QB, and he is in our division. 
 

 

 

Exactly, if it weren’t for the concussions, people would be ranking him as a top 5 guy.  He’s scary because you never know if a stiff breeze is going to knock him out for the year, but when he’s playing, his numbers/ actual performances are really only being topped by the truly elite guys.   There was a reason everyone thought he was going to be the #1 pick, he’s good.  He’s actually really good.  A healthy version, ask yourself, is there really anybody out there that’s out performing him aside from Maholmes, Allen, Burrow?  I think he falls right in the Hurts, Herbert etc level, which is damn good.  

[BillsFanSD]

13 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

He’s not fine, he’s good.  Maybe very good.

 

You also placed him in a tier with other highly touted 1st round picks who are also good. 

 

What fans cheer as far as “Tank for Tua” makes no difference and this far into his career anyone, even them and us, should be well over it.

 

The nuts and bolts is whether he is a good QB or not? 
 

In his last 14 games he has 4,000 yards passing, 28 passing tds, 9 picks and an overall QB rating of about 105.  Recency and primacy. 
 

He is really a pretty good QB, and he is in our division. 
 

 

 

I was agreeing with you . . . 

[Utah John]

Hill didn't suddenly get faster.  The Chargers D simply wasn't prepared for him.  Which is odd because the Chargers used to face Hill twice a year, so they should have had a clue about how to stop him.  

 

Tua on balance had a very good game, but mostly he hit wide open receivers who ran for huge YAC.  Any NFL QB could have completed those throws.  He gets credit for completing the passes he did, but it was Hill's good play and the Chargers' lousy D that made Tua look good. 

[dollars 2 donuts]

6 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said:

I was agreeing with you . . . 

 

Sorry, brother, if it seemed I was digging on you it really wasn’t my intent. My follow up was just reinforcement.

Edited September 11, 2023 by dollars 2 donuts

[nucci]

7 minutes ago, Utah John said:

Hill didn't suddenly get faster.  The Chargers D simply wasn't prepared for him.  Which is odd because the Chargers used to face Hill twice a year, so they should have had a clue about how to stop him.  

 

Tua on balance had a very good game, but mostly he hit wide open receivers who ran for huge YAC.  Any NFL QB could have completed those throws.  He gets credit for completing the passes he did, but it was Hill's good play and the Chargers' lousy D that made Tua look good. 

your rationalization is ridiculous. Did you watch any games yesterday? So many QBs missed easy throws all day

[warrior9]

2 hours ago, LondonBill said:

Good to see the calls for a coach to be fired starting in Week 1.

 

Surprised they managed to come before Bills had played a down, though. 

To be fair, Staley should have been fired after last year maybe even the year before. That roster is full of talent... maybe the most in the NFL and he just can't put it together. It's so mind blowing. 

[The Frankish Reich]

26 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

He’s not fine, he’s good.  Maybe very good.

 

You also placed him in a tier with other highly touted 1st round picks who are also good. 

 

What fans cheer as far as “Tank for Tua” makes no difference and this far into his career anyone, even them and us, should be well over it.

 

The nuts and bolts is whether he is a good QB or not? 
 

In his last 14 games he has 4,000 yards passing, 28 passing tds, 9 picks and an overall QB rating of about 105.  Recency and primacy. 
 

He is really a pretty good QB, and he is in our division. 
 

 

 

We will forever be doomed on this board to deal with comments like "he's not Josh Allen" or "he's not a franchise QB" or "what if [add name of mediocre QB] has his weapons at WR?"

Whatever.

He's good as long as he can stay healthy. Which is questionable. We saw what a mediocre QB (Bridgewater) could do with that offense last year, and the difference was huge.

[Xwnyer]

17 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

I had two reactions to the game. 

 

First, I think the Chargers' problem is their head coach.  I watch that team and I always think they are underprepared.   The lack of discipline on the pass interference at the end of the half was astonishing.  The Chargers always shoot themselves in the,  foot, and usually it's with an AR-47 and not just a pistol. 

 

Second, Tua and the Dolphins are really good.   Tua is smart and an excellent decision maker, and he is an extremely accurate thrower.  It's remarkable how accurate his throws are, over and over.  The two throws to Hill to win the game were just two examples, but every throw is on the money.   And McDaniel is perfect for him.  The Dolphins passing attack consistently gets receivers open over the middle, where Tua's accurate arm can find them.  (Tua's arm strength is suspect, and throws to the boundary challenge him, so throwing over the middle is critical).   He gets receivers open with unusual formations and routes.   Yesterday he was starting a receiver in motion a half-count before the snap, so that the defense was caught reacting to the motion when the snap came.  It was very clever - it gave the motion receiver an instantaneous advantage that helped open him up for a short throw.  

 

I don't know how good their defense is, but their offense is tough to stop. 

they are a scary team when ya cant disrupt the timing.  The use of motion and forward movement of the man in motion just prior to the snap shows spectacular timing of the designed play.   Hoping our OC can figure out how to use motion like this.  Our men in motion seem to always be just to move a guy from one spot to another not to create the mismatch of the snap while in motion.

[julian]

2 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Can you imagine Daboll coaching that team? He has zero talent in NJ and won a playoff game last year 

 

Staley blew a huge lead in the playoffs with that roster 

He’s in over his head, and can we all agree Joey Bosa is very very very far from his brother.

[AuntieEm]

53 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

I had two reactions to the game. 

 

First, I think the Chargers' problem is their head coach.  I watch that team and I always think they are underprepared.   The lack of discipline on the pass interference at the end of the half was astonishing.  The Chargers always shoot themselves in the,  foot, and usually it's with an AR-47 and not just a pistol. 

 

Second, Tua and the Dolphins are really good.   Tua is smart and an excellent decision maker, and he is an extremely accurate thrower.  It's remarkable how accurate his throws are, over and over.  The two throws to Hill to win the game were just two examples, but every throw is on the money.   And McDaniel is perfect for him.  The Dolphins passing attack consistently gets receivers open over the middle, where Tua's accurate arm can find them.  (Tua's arm strength is suspect, and throws to the boundary challenge him, so throwing over the middle is critical).   He gets receivers open with unusual formations and routes.   Yesterday he was starting a receiver in motion a half-count before the snap, so that the defense was caught reacting to the motion when the snap came.  It was very clever - it gave the motion receiver an instantaneous advantage that helped open him up for a short throw.  

 

I don't know how good their defense is, but their offense is tough to stop. 

 

And it's so easy to stop Josh Allen's offensive games.  We may have a much improved Allen with all his new toys he wants to keep happy.  I'm sure they have a number of plays they haven't put on tape yet.  Not sure how many they will need against the Jets tonight.  

Edited September 11, 2023 by AuntieEm

[HappyDays]

 

[Bermuda Triangle]

As well as Hill and Tua played, I think it'd be disingenuous to not admit that, if not for 2 mind-numbingly dumb plays by J.C. Jackson, the Chargers win. 

[Utah John]

58 minutes ago, nucci said:

your rationalization is ridiculous. Did you watch any games yesterday? So many QBs missed easy throws all day

Why are people on this board so nasty?  Calling something ridiculous is simply over the top.  

[Dopey]

14 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

Yeah, he did a great job of hitting his wide open, untouched receivers and taking advantage of that stellar play the Chargers defense and coaching put out there.

Yeah, Hill was WIDE THE EFF OPEN here. That game winning TD to Hill was a dart and Hill was blanketed. This post is just ridiculous. Sorry to Utah John for using the word ridiculous. Not meant to be over the top.

 

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9skIzlpfpSM

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 11, 2023 by Dopey

[nucci]

18 minutes ago, Utah John said:

Why are people on this board so nasty?  Calling something ridiculous is simply over the top.  

Sorry

[Dopey]

15 hours ago, Xwnyer said:

Cb ints in end zone tries to run it out versus taking touch back. Ends up tackled at 3 chargers go 3 n out and out from own end zone. Next play Hill beats cb for a TD.  Later on in game chargers lead have fins rattled 3 rd and long and agai hill beats them deep.  Later in series again hill beats them for a TD.  the chargers defense let Tua have ample time and left receivers free was Leslie Frazer consulting their D

Frazier is gone now. Can't let go?!? 😢

[HappyDays]