Random talking head says something about the Bills

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I'll add to this by saying my biggest concern is that the defense has been not just bad but abysmal over the last month starting with the Rams game. I've been making fun of the Bengals defense all year but that's about as bad as we've been in recent weeks. I know people will say we basically shut out the Jets but having watched back the all-22 it was a lot worse than the scoreboard. Some truly awful play calls and execution errors in the first few drives and the Jets just ended up making dumb mistakes of their own to let us off the hook, before they finally just ran for the bus. I just don't see playoff offenses making those mistakes. I'm concerned any opponent we face will turn into a shootout, maybe even the Broncos in the wildcard.

 

Is Babich on the hot seat for next year? He hasn't really shown anything that warrants him keeping his job, but is McDermott afraid to fire yet another coordinator after a short lived stint? Even if McDermott stays (which is almost 100% going to happen) I almost want us to blow up the defense completely and take that side of the ball in a new direction. Kind of like what we did with the offense this year which immediately paid dividends. Rousseau and Benford are the only ones that should be here for the long term (and Oliver since he's already been extended) since they are pieces you can build any scheme around. All other positions should be recalibrated IMO. Make big changes even if just for the sake of change because what we've stuck with has gotten very stale and very predictable.

 

 

 

Yea the first half Sunday was worse than the scoreboard for sure. The Jets missed some chances, made the bonehead run up the gut on 4th and 1 call, and struggled a bit with pass pro. But I do give the Bills credit for the two splash plays Groot and Epenesa made. They were both legit good plays but they were talent wins rather than scheme wins. The D was a bit better 2nd half. Oliver slammed down on their run game early 3rd and once they got the Jets into a dropback game the Bills killed them. But if the Detroit game was an example of the Bills D playing better than the scoreboard suggested, this was definitely the opposite. The one positive that the all22 reinforced to me is that this was the first game since his return we got something resembling the real Matt Milano. He was good.

 

As for changes after the season, I am never a change for the sake of change guy. You have to drill down into what isn't working. I'd want to add some experience to the staff. First timers at DC, DL, DB all at the same time plus a new (although experienced LB) LB coach has been a lot of churn and too much learning on the job. Steve Wilks is a name I'd keep an eye on. Succeeded McDermott as DC in Carolina. A highly qualified DB coach, brings some experience to the party. I expect he will want to interview for DC jobs first but if he comes up empty I'd love them to add him to the staff. Then in terms of players, they have to start right up the middle. The defensive tackles have been bad. Took until December to get Ed Oliver into form, Daquan Jones is washed. Carter showed flashes pre-injury but nothing since, Austin Johnson's bad and bringing back Phillips and Jefferson was desperation. That unit needs yet another remake on Beane's watch. They will have a hole at corner opposite Benford. Douglas's play this year has been more who I think he is that who those who loved the trade (and to bs fair were proven right last season) think he is. And then Safety my thoughts are well known. None of the guys they have are better than replacement level starters. They gotta hope Bishop kicks on in year 2. Those three areas are all priorities in terms of offseason planning. There are question marks at linebacker and that is where I think you might just want to tweak the scheme. I feel like McDermott had Bernard doing more attacking in 2023 and Babich has him doing more read and react which suits him less well. They need to look at what they have - where is Bernard at, where is Milano at and where are you with the Dorain Williams project. And then work out how best to use what you have there I think. I don't want them plunging resource there because I think they have pieces if not the perfect ones for the puzzle they are trying to construct. Reshape the puzzle to make your pieces fit. That's coaching. 

 

I suspect Babich gets another year but he will start 2025 on the hotseat IMO. He has to get better. I know for a fact Sean McDermott will not be happy with a 31st ranked 3rd down defense. I think they need to add some fresh eyes from outside. Not just to add the experience I talked about above but to just add a different perspective. Remember when Sean started and hired Leslie they had common history in the Jim Johnson scheme but Leslie had other experiences as well with Dungy and the Tampa 2 scheme and was able to mesh his concepts together to build an excellent defense. Babich, apart from a couple of years in Cleveland with Ray Horton as DC and then Pettine's crew, has been in this system his entire coaching life. I think he is bright, he is smart, he is well regarded around the league. But when things go south does he have enough to draw on? He certainly lack patience for my tastes.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

14 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

 

Yea the first half Sunday was worse than the scoreboard for sure. The Jets missed some chances, made the bonehead run up the gut on 4th and 1 call, and struggled a bit with pass pro. But I do give the Bills credit for the two splash plays Groot and Epenesa made. They were both legit good plays but they were talent wins rather than scheme wins. The D was a bit better 2nd half. Oliver slammed down on their run game early 3rd and once they got the Jets into a dropback game the Bills killed them. But if the Detroit game was an example of the Bills D playing better than the scoreboard suggested, this was definitely the opposite. The one positive that the all22 reinforced to me is that this was the first game since his return we got something resembling the real Matt Milano. He was good.

 

As for changes after the season, I am never a change for the sake of change guy. You have to drill down into what isn't working. I'd want to add some experience to the staff. First timers at DC, DL, DB all at the same time plus a new (although experienced LB) LB coach has been a lot of churn and too much learning on the job. Steve Wilks is a name I'd keep an eye on. Succeeded McDermott as DC in Carolina. A highly qualified DB coach, brings some experience to the party. I expect he will want to interview for DC jobs first but if he comes up empty I'd love them to add him to the staff. Then in terms of players, they have to start right up the middle. The defensive tackles have been bad. Took until December to get Ed Oliver into form, Daquan Jones is washed. Carter showed flashes pre-injury but nothing since, Austin Johnson's bad and bringing back Phillips and Jefferson was desperation. That unit needs yet another remake on Beane's watch. They will have a hole at corner opposite Benford. Douglas's play this year has been more who I think he is that who those who loved the trade (and to bs fair were proven right last season) think he is. And then Safety my thoughts are well known. None of the guys they have are better than replacement level starters. They gotta hope Bishop kicks on in year 2. Those three areas are all priorities in terms of offseason planning. There are question marks at linebacker and that is where I think you might just want to tweak the scheme. I feel like McDermott had Bernard doing more attacking in 2023 and Babich has him doing more read and react which suits him less well. They need to look at what they have - where is Bernard at, where is Milano at and where are you with the Dorain Williams project. And then work out how best to use what you have there I think. I don't want them plunging resource there because I think they have pieces if not the perfect ones for the puzzle they are trying to construct. Reshape the puzzle to make your pieces fit. That's coaching. 

 

I suspect Babich gets another year but he will start 2025 on the hotseat IMO. He has to get better. I know for a fact Sean McDermott will not be happy with a 31st ranked 3rd down defense. I think they need to add some fresh eyes from outside. Not just to add the experience I talked about above but to just add a different perspective. Remember when Sean started and hired Leslie they had common history in the Jim Johnson scheme but Leslie had other experiences as well with Dungy and the Tampa 2 scheme and was able to mesh his concepts together to build an excellent defense. Babich, apart from a couple of years in Cleveland with Ray Horton as DC and then Pettine's crew, has been in this system his entire coaching life. I think he is bright, he is smart, he is well regarded around the league. But when things go south does he have enough to draw on? He certainly lack patience for my tastes.

 

 

Milano miss tackle rate has been horrible...  But i'm thinking he'll get better but agree for now on rest

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

 

Milano miss tackle rate has been horrible...  But i'm thinking he'll get better but agree for now on rest

 

Sure. Sunday was a significant step forward for him though. He moved better in coverage and he was more decisive attacking his gaps in the run game. Sue he missed the tackle on Adams on the crosser but that is a darn difficult play for any linebacker. Hopefully we get something resembling the real Matt Milano from hereon in. We will need it.

[Doc Brown]

12 hours ago, DrMaxPower said:

Except he doesn't.

 

People remember the half a dozen things that went wrong, not the 100s of correct decisions made over 8 years of end game situations.

 

We've won the 2nd most games in the league. It's impossible for him to almost always be making the wrong call late in the game.

Once 13 Seconds happened that narrative is hard to overcome.  I worry more this year in particular that Brady, Smiley, and McDermott have to be on the same page late in games.  I don't want to repeat the errors of our only two one score losses this year but there seemed to be a communication problem whether it was the plays that were called or having the right personnel on the field.  They've got to clean that up or we'll probably get our hearts ripped out again in a close playoff game.

[CSBill]

6 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

Milano biggest issue coming back and also miss tackle rate. 33 % to Dorian 10%. Like this video. It get's detailed later.  Miss tackle rate is a big issue by Milano 

 

I have advocated this for weeks, taking Dorian W. off the field has hurt this defense.

 

Someone at TBD needs to be alerted. Does anyone have a number I can call? 

[No_Matter_What]

8 hours ago, folz said:

 

You are obviously rewriting history a bit here. We have not had this conversation every year of Sean's tenure.

 

2017: New coach, lack of talent, breaks the playoff drought with Tyrod Taylor as his QB. Yes, the playoff game against JAX was sad (offensively), but no one (even you, I would wager) was talking about firing him after that season. We knew we weren't going anywhere in the playoffs with Tyrod and that team.

2018: Beane comes on board and cleans house to get the cap straight. We draft Josh. But, it's a rebuild year. An even worse roster than 2017 (outside of Josh). No money, no cap, very little talent. We all accepted that season as a painful, but necessary step towards the future. Sure, people knock him for starting Peterman...but come on, Peterman played 2 quarters of football before Sean changed his mind. And as raw as Josh was, it wasn't a bad organizational decision to ease him in (just didn't work out because Nathan wasn't up to the task). Again, no calls for him being fired.

2019: The team has 10 wins and makes the playoffs. We lose in the wildcard round to Houston. But no one really questioned his coaching in that game. And if they did, they were foolish. Did McDermott throw the crazy lateral fumble? Did he take 7 points off the board when the refs intervened to forgive a Houston mistake? Did he make the blindside block in OT that was flagged, pushing us out of field goal range (could have been the game winner)? Did he miss the easy sandwich sack and let Watson get away to make a play? We were a team on the rise with a very good, but still raw QB. And our young team made some mistakes on the field to let Houston back in it. It was disappointing, but no one was calling for Sean's head.

2020: Diggs comes on board, Josh becomes Josh, and the offense takes off. The team goes 13-3, winning two playoff games en route to the AFC Championship Game. We lose to a much better, more talented, more veteran/seasoned KC team. And, let's not forget, our two best WRs were playing hobbled and the refs let the KC DBs manhandle our WRs, while the Bills defense was not allowed the same courtesy. Yes, the disappointment was high...and the defense may have been held accountable by some. I'm sure there were some who questioned McDermott at this point, but there were no major conversations about firing him (in the national media or amongst Bills fans).

2021: Here is where the issues began. Expectations were so high (Super Bowl or bust) and then 13 seconds happened. 

2022: Some still can't forgive Sean for 13 seconds, so they ignore everything that happened to the team that year (as if it wouldn't affect the team/players). There are very few teams ever that could have gone through what that team did and still have a 13-3 record and win a playoff game. But rather than Sean getting praise for holding that team together, he is blamed for everything (why? 13 seconds).

2023: It is understandable that there were questions this year with the way the offense played early in the year (and our record at that time). But, Sean did right the ship, fired Dorsey/promoted Brady, the team wins 6 of its last 7, wins the AFC East, makes the playoffs, wins a playoff game...and then with a heavily depleted defense loses to the eventual Super Bowl winner by 3 points. But again, it's all Sean's fault. Why? 13 seconds.

 

Yes, the conversation has been had for the last 3 years (not the last 7 years as you stated). And it really isn't as bad as some of you guys make things out to be...it's just some of you will never forgive him for the 13 seconds game. That's really all that it comes down to. And there is no guarantee that if he made different coaching decisions in that game that things might not have still turned out the same anyhow. 

 

You guys think everything is Josh...but that is so short-sighted. Yes, we have one of the best QBs in the league, but that doesn't guarantee Super Bowl appearances or SB wins every year. Just ask Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees or Peyton Manning or Dan Marino, etc., etc. And some of you guys totally ignore things like culture, motivation, player acquisitions, player development, stability, organizational standards, etc., etc. as if none of that matters...and which Sean has been excellent at (among many other things). Ask the Jets about player development, for one, and how important that is.

 

I mean, how many games have we lost due to bad coaching or massive coaching blunders? Be honest. Very, very few. And how many great, Super Bowl winning coaches could we point out games in their careers (and in the playoffs) where they made calls that were questioned after because they lost the game (every single one I'll bet you).

 

But yeah, it's just because he broke the drought. And obviously us life-long Bills fans who support Sean don't care about ever winning a Super Bowl 🙄. Our support has nothing to do with his 86-44 record, .662 win %, 5 AFC East Titles, playoffs 7 out of 8 years, 5-playoff wins, a perfect playoff game, a great team culture, great interaction between the team and fans, and all of the fun the last 8 years have been. But, I guess none of that matters to some of you guys because of 13 seconds.

This is post of the year for me, well done sir.

 

As a fan I also sometimes question McD and I will certainly do so if we for example lose to Baltimore in WC again this year, but your post perfectly sums how valuable McD is and how in fact all comes down to 13 seconds.

 

Having said that, if he doesn't get it done this season or the next one, I'd try something else for the sake of trying something else. If fact, if we don't get to SB this year, I'd love Sean to say that if the team doesn't get to SB next year, he will step down by himself. It never happens but that is how I'd do it.

[chris heff]

12 hours ago, FireChans said:

Championships last forever though.

 

what is the concern here? We hire an HC that cuts Josh? That even if a new HC wins a championship, he still might get fired one day?
 

 

No that’s not the concern, the concern is they hire a coach who is not as good as the guy they had, which is what the Eagles did. They fired a HOF coach and hired Chip Kelly, fired him and hired Peterson, who has had one good season as a head coach. And now Sirianni, what has he done? Last season Eagles had an epic collapse, this year they are riding an often injured 27 year old running back having a legendary season. Meanwhile the guy they fired, Andy Reid, has won three Super Bowls.

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, chris heff said:

No that’s not the concern, the concern is they hire a coach who is not as good as the guy they had, which is what the Eagles did. They fired a HOF coach and hired Chip Kelly, fired him and hired Peterson, who has had one good season as a head coach. And now Sirianni, what has he done? Last season Eagles had an epic collapse, this year they are riding an often injured 27 year old running back having a legendary season. Meanwhile the guy they fired, Andy Reid, has won three Super Bowls.

They won a Super Bowl before Reid ever did. 
 

Will it bother you if we win a SB with a different coach next year and McD wins 2-3 10 years from now with the Falcons?

Edited December 31, 2024 by FireChans

[chris heff]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

They won a Super Bowl before Reid ever did. 
 

Will it bother you if we win a SB with a different coach next year and McD wins 2-3 10 years from now with the Falcons?

What does that have to do with anything? Only four coaches have won three or more Super Bowls.

 

So who should that coach be? A recycled head coach? Hot coordinator? College coach? Who? Have you looked at the list of coaches the Bills have had in 64 years? There are only four that are legitimate. Finding a head coach in the NFL is a difficult as finding a QB. Josh Allen has had seven seasons to win a Super Bowl, by your logic he should be gone too.

 

Do you know how many head coaches the Pittsburgh Steelers have had since 1969? Three

Do you know how many head coaches the Buffalo Bills have had since 1969? Eighteen 

The Steelers have won 6 Super Bowls, the Bills have won 0. 

Edited December 31, 2024 by chris heff

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, chris heff said:

What does that have to do with anything? Only four coaches have won three or more Super Bowls.

 

So who should that coach be? A recycled head coach? Hot coordinator? College coach? Who? Have you looked at the list of coaches the Bills have had in 64 years? There are only four that are legitimate. Finding a head coach in the NFL is a difficult as finding a QB. Josh Allen has had seven seasons to win a Super Bowl, by your logic he should be gone too.

Hot coordinator please! I'm honestly open to promoting Brady before I let him leave. Or Brad Johnson of course.

 

You brought up the Andy Reid comparison. The Eagles fired Andy and won a SB while he continued to choke away playoff appearances in KC until he got a generational QB who arguably is the best in the league.

 

Do you think the Eagles were planning the SB parade in 2017 and saying "we shouldn't have fired Andy Reid!" (the Chiefs lost in the WC to the Marcus Mariota Titans that year).

 

I don't.

 

Would you be upset if McDermott went to the Falcons and won 3 SB's with Penix in 2034? 

 

I wouldn't, I would be very happy with him because I think he's a good dude and a good coach.

 

Josh Allen is clearly a top 2 QB in the NFL. A generational QB. Finding a QB like that is FAR MORE difficult than finding a good HC. It's not even close. How a Bills fan who watched this team die every season before it started for 20 years because they didn't even have a good QB, let alone a great one is bananas.

 

How many coaches can you list who are in McD's realm in coaching ability?  How many QB's can you list in Josh's realm?  Obviously, one list is far shorter than the other. Your comparison is not good.

 

How many coaches could get this defense to 26th in yards per drive, 16th in points allowed per drive, and 29th in 3rd down stops?  I can't pull their DVOA, but I would imagine its not elite either. Probably a lot.

 

How many active coaches could win 12+ games with Josh Allen as their QB?  I think lots. Do you think McD is a miracle worker coach dragging the best QB in the NFL and the MVP to the playoffs?

 

We all know why we are afraid if the Bengals sneak into the playoffs. It's not because Josh is our QB.

 

We all know why we are afraid if we have to play the Ravens in the second round. It's not because Josh is our QB.

 

We all know why we are afraid to go to Arrowhead for the AFCCG. It's not because Josh is our QB.

[chris heff]

4 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Hot coordinator please! I'm honestly open to promoting Brady before I let him leave. Or Brad Johnson of course.

 

You brought up the Andy Reid comparison. The Eagles fired Andy and won a SB while he continued to choke away playoff appearances in KC until he got a generational QB who arguably is the best in the league.

 

Do you think the Eagles were planning the SB parade in 2017 and saying "we shouldn't have fired Andy Reid!" (the Chiefs lost in the WC to the Marcus Mariota Titans that year).

 

I don't.

 

Would you be upset if McDermott went to the Falcons and won 3 SB's with Penix in 2034? 

 

I wouldn't, I would be very happy with him because I think he's a good dude and a good coach.

 

Josh Allen is clearly a top 2 QB in the NFL. A generational QB. Finding a QB like that is FAR MORE difficult than finding a good HC. It's not even close. How a Bills fan who watched this team die every season before it started for 20 years because they didn't even have a good QB, let alone a great one is bananas.

 

How many coaches can you list who are in McD's realm in coaching ability?  How many QB's can you list in Josh's realm?  Obviously, one list is far shorter than the other. Your comparison is not good.

 

How many coaches could get this defense to 26th in yards per drive, 16th in points allowed per drive, and 29th in 3rd down stops?  I can't pull their DVOA, but I would imagine its not elite either. Probably a lot.

 

How many active coaches could win 12+ games with Josh Allen as their QB?  I think lots. Do you think McD is a miracle worker coach dragging the best QB in the NFL and the MVP to the playoffs?

 

We all know why we are afraid if the Bengals sneak into the playoffs. It's not because Josh is our QB.

 

We all know why we are afraid if we have to play the Ravens in the second round. It's not because Josh is our QB.

 

We all know why we are afraid to go to Arrowhead for the AFCCG. It's not because Josh is our QB.

Let me repeat 

 

Do you know how many head coaches the Pittsburgh Steelers have had since 1969? Three

Do you know how many head coaches the Buffalo Bills have had since 1969? Eighteen 

The Steelers have won 6 Super Bowls, the Bills have won 0. 

 

Sean McDermott’s winning percentage is .662, which would make him fourth all time in the NFL.

[FireChans]

8 minutes ago, chris heff said:

Let me repeat 

 

Do you know how many head coaches the Pittsburgh Steelers have had since 1969? Three

Do you know how many head coaches the Buffalo Bills have had since 1969? Eighteen 

The Steelers have won 6 Super Bowls, the Bills have won 0. 

 

Sean McDermott’s winning percentage is .662, which would make him fourth all time in the NFL.

So because you didn't answer my questions, but instead posted this, I'm going to assume you do think Sean is a miracle-working head coach. A one in a million.

 

Well, I think your wrong.

 

Not only is your stat wrong (he's 17th all-time)

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/

 

But he's ahead of guys like Andy Reid, Sean McVay, Sean Payton, Bill Walsh, Tom Landry, Parcells, Bill Belichick, Tomlin, both Harbaugh's, Joe Gibbs.

 

Do you think he's a better coach than all those guys?

 

Nick Sirianni is currently 5th all time in the NFL in winning percentage. 

 

Is he the fifth best coach in NFL history? He's far superior to McD in winning percentage.  He's the greatest active coach currently and only a few wins more to catch Lombardi?  Maybe he will be the greatest coach ever.

 

But that's weird, you called Sirianni a bum earlier.

 

2 hours ago, chris heff said:

And now Sirianni, what has he done? Last season Eagles had an epic collapse, this year they are riding an often injured 27 year old running back having a legendary season.

 

Apparently it's not all about winning percentage. Odd.

Edited December 31, 2024 by FireChans

[chris heff]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

So because you didn't answer my questions, but instead posted this, I'm going to assume you do think Sean is a miracle-working head coach. A one in a million.

 

Well, I think your wrong.

 

Not only is your stat wrong (he's 17th all-time)

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/

 

But he's ahead of guys like Andy Reid, Sean McVay, Sean Payton, Bill Walsh, Tom Landry, Parcells, Bill Belichick, Tomlin, both Harbaugh's, Joe Gibbs.

 

Do you think he's a better coach than all those guys?

 

Nick Sirianni is currently 5th all time in the NFL in winning percentage. 

 

Is he the fifth best coach in NFL history? He's far superior to McD in winning percentage.  He's the greatest active coach currently and only a few wins more to catch Lombardi?  Maybe he will be the greatest coach ever.

 

But that's weird, you called Sirianni a bum earlier.

 

 

Apparently it's not all about winning percentage. Odd.

Not sure which question you want to answered.

 

is it the one about the 2034 season? Because I’ll probably be dead.

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, chris heff said:

Not sure which question you want to answered.

 

is it the one about the 2034 season? Because I’ll probably be dead.

It's no fun to wave the white flag early.

 

It's good to know that you stand on business that Nick Sirianni is a great HC and better than McD because he has the 5th all time winning percentage, especially because he is doing it with a clearly worse QB than Allen. Hell, he even has more conference championship game wins, more Super Bowl appearances and has never missed the playoffs in his career or finished with less than 9 wins.

 

The Eagles would be crazy to let that guy go. The Steelers haven't fired a HC ever and they last won a Superbowl when Obama was inaugurated for the first time!

 

What if he wins a million Superbowls in 20 years? Perish the thought!

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

It's no fun to wave the white flag early.

 

It's good to know that you stand on business that Nick Sirianni is a great HC and better than McD because he has the 5th all time winning percentage, especially because he is doing it with a clearly worse QB than Allen. Hell, he even has more conference championship game wins, more Super Bowl appearances and has never missed the playoffs in his career or finished with less than 9 wins.

 

The Eagles would be crazy to let that guy go. The Steelers haven't fired a HC ever and they last won a Superbowl when Obama was inaugurated for the first time!

 

What if he wins a million Superbowls in 20 years? Perish the thought!

trust me i have gone over this enough times to know the 'Andy Reid did it' thing is a red herring

 

the argument should be looked at from the Eagles perspective, not Reid's

[Sojourner]

6 hours ago, CSBill said:

I have advocated this for weeks, taking Dorian W. off the field has hurt this defense.

 

Someone at TBD needs to be alerted. Does anyone have a number I can call? 

Who ya gonna call?!?

 

LINEBACKERS!!!!

[FireChans]

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

trust me i have gone over this enough times to know the 'Andy Reid did it' thing is a red herring

 

the argument should be looked at from the Eagles perspective, not Reid's

The goal shouldn't be "how do we give Sean McDermott the best chance to win a Superbowl."

 

The goal should be "how do we give the Buffalo Bills the best chance to win a Superbowl."

[chris heff]

53 minutes ago, FireChans said:

It's no fun to wave the white flag early.

 

It's good to know that you stand on business that Nick Sirianni is a great HC and better than McD because he has the 5th all time winning percentage, especially because he is doing it with a clearly worse QB than Allen. Hell, he even has more conference championship game wins, more Super Bowl appearances and has never missed the playoffs in his career or finished with less than 9 wins.

 

The Eagles would be crazy to let that guy go. The Steelers haven't fired a HC ever and they last won a Superbowl when Obama was inaugurated for the first time!

 

What if he wins a million Superbowls in 20 years? Perish the thought!

No white flag, just boredom. After all it is a rhetorical argument. The premise is moot, because Pegula is not going to fire McDermott anytime soon.

[Captain Hindsight]

16 minutes ago, chris heff said:

No white flag, just boredom. After all it is a rhetorical argument. The premise is moot, because Pegula is not going to fire McDermott anytime soon.

I have it on extremely trustworthy information that McDermott is more likely to die in his office than be fired. Pegula loves him 

[FireChans]

21 minutes ago, chris heff said:

No white flag, just boredom. After all it is a rhetorical argument. The premise is moot, because Pegula is not going to fire McDermott anytime soon.

It may shock you to find out, but everything we talk about here is moot lol.