Random talking head says something about the Bills

[GunnerBill]

Just now, LABILLBACKER said:

I never said the defense was talented?

 

You have said we have got good players on defense. I think in some areas, sure. In others, no.

[dave mcbride]

2 hours ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

Your Gold Standard is that McClapper’s D stopped Skylar Thompson? 🙄

Which they didn’t,regardless of field placement. 
 

Well don’t worry about that clown this year.

 

Instead,you’re gonna get Herbert or Nix.

Then Lamar.

Then Mahomes.

Then either Goff, Hurts or Darnold.

 

How is that gonna work out? 

Your Gold Standard is that McClapper’s D stopped Skylar Thompson? 🙄

Which they didn’t,regardless of field placement. 
 

Well don’t worry about that clown this year.

 

Instead,you’re gonna get Herbert or Nix.

Then Lamar.

Then Mahomes.

Then either Goff, Hurts or Darnold.

 

How is that gonna work out? 

Your Gold Standard is that McClapper’s D stopped Skylar Thompson? 🙄

Which they didn’t,regardless of field placement. 
 

Well don’t worry about that clown this year.

 

Instead,you’re gonna get Herbert or Nix.

Then Lamar.

Then Mahomes.

Then either Goff, Hurts or Darnold.

 

How is that gonna work out? 

You're factually wrong about Skylar Thompson. The Dolphins team passer rating that day was an abysmal 41.1 (40 percent completion rate; 4.2 yards per pass play).  And Miami had 20 carries for 42 yards as well. The Bills' D pretty much completely shut Miami down. Outside of one drive, all their points came off ST blunders and Bills turnovers.

[FireChans]

45 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I think, with all respect, that you're getting things mixed here.  
 

First of all, Nothing is Guaranteed.  It's not just Josh, despite what people say.  The D is leading the league in turnovers; even with the debacles in LA and Detroit giving up 44 and 42 points, the Bills D is still a top 10 D on points.

But that's kind of a nit.  The Big Point is that there are different ways to "chase a championship".  One philosophy is "you find good people, growth-minded people, put them in charge, and let them figure it out".  That's the philosophy of teams like the Steelers who have long tenured coaches like Noll, Cowher, and Tomlin.

 

Another philosophy is that you move on promptly when you aren't getting the results you want.  That's the philosophy of teams like Denver.  Fox took them to the Superbowl, lost, 12-4 the next year but lost in the division round, it was "Off with His Head" and move on to Kubiak.  Superbowl!  But then when they missed the playoffs the following year with Brock Osweiler and Trevor Siemian at QB, it was "Off with His Head" and on to a carousel of Joseph, Fangio, Hackett, and now Payton, 8 straight years of missing the playoffs with a realistic chance they make it 9. 

There are also teams that have looked promising, changed coaches, and spluttered.  Frankly I think if the Giants had stuck with Pat Shurmur after 2019 instead of "chasing a championship" with Joe Judge and Brian Daboll, they might well have been better off.

 

Please don't shove a bunch of straw people at me and say I'm claiming we shouldn't move on from McDermott.  I'm simply making the point that it's hyperbole on your point to link "change in head coach" to "championship" and "stay the course" to "lack of passion for championship".

 

I'm saying there are different strategies on that point, and it's not clear cut that one is a sure path to success.

Do you think the Broncos missed the playoffs 8 years in a row because they fired too many coaches or because Peyton Manning became washed and retired?

[Sojourner]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Not disputing the rest but this really is not true and keeps being repeated. Their first touchdown came after Josh threw a bad pick that gave them the ball at the Bills 18. Their second touchdown came on defense when Josh fumbled and they scooped and scored and two of their FGs came when the Bills stopped them quickly after another Josh interception at midfield and a long punt return set them up already in FG range. 

 

The Dolphins scored 31. Of those 31, 20 were gifted to them by the offense and special teams. 

 

Miami's drives that day:

2 yards

2 yards

10 yards

38 yards

18 yards

8 yards

18 yards

0 yards

1 yard

4 yards

-9 yards

13 yards

75 yards

5 yards

30 yards

 

If the Bills had lost that game it would have been on offensive turnovers and special teams blunders, not because the Bills had any trouble with Skylar Thompson.

Yeah, you’re right. I forgot about the fumble return for a TD and attributed that as points their offense scored. 
 

Give him a pass for that one. It was a hot start then interceptions on 2 out of the final 3 drives of the first half stopped anything that probably put that game to rest. 
 

Thompson did however start moving the ball towards the end of the game. Sure it shouldn’t have been that close but you’d like to not see that lol

[LABILLBACKER]

13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

You have said we have got good players on defense. I think in some areas, sure. In others, no.

No sorry @GunnerBill.  At no point in the last 8 years have I said we have talent on defense.  In fact besides maybe Milano,  we've struggled to find talent. Especially on the front 4.  And I've also stated in several other threads that we have not landed an elite pass rusher in the Allen era.  You brought up 44% which is an excellent analogy I might add, to stress the struggles of this untalented group.  

[Einstein]

2 hours ago, Blackbeard said:

ALL coaches make calls.  Some are great calls.  Some questionable in hindsight.  McD is a coach.  Therefore, McD will make calls.  Some are great calls.  Some are questionable in hindsight.  

 

 

You seem to be confused.

 

Folks aren’t mad that McD makes calls. They are upset that they are almost always the wrong call, late in the game.

[Boatdrinks]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Not disputing the rest but this really is not true and keeps being repeated. Their first touchdown came after Josh threw a bad pick that gave them the ball at the Bills 18. Their second touchdown came on defense when Josh fumbled and they scooped and scored and two of their FGs came when the Bills stopped them quickly after another Josh interception at midfield and a long punt return set them up already in FG range. 

 

The Dolphins scored 31. Of those 31, 20 were gifted to them by the offense and special teams. 

 

Miami's drives that day:

2 yards

2 yards

10 yards

38 yards

18 yards

8 yards

18 yards

0 yards

1 yard

4 yards

-9 yards

13 yards

75 yards

5 yards

30 yards

 

If the Bills had lost that game it would have been on offensive turnovers and special teams blunders, not because the Bills had any trouble with Skylar Thompson.

Great job compiling this. So many references on this board to this game, which has become something of an urban legend. 

[VaMilBill]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

So that's where we're permanently stuck. Terry will never fire McD. Josh is so great we're guaranteed 10+ wins every year and playoffs.  Nothing beyond that. That's basically our future.  Take it or leave. And as several fans have told me, we can do nothing about it.  I guess the passion to chase a championship isn't as strong in Buffalo as it is in other organizations.  

It’s not that I don’t want to win a championship It’s just my objective opinion on the matter. 
 

if there was a coach that I believe could come in right away and win a championship I’d do it in a heartbeat. If you fire McD you lose all player development, now need to bring in new players to fit the new scheme, and rebuild the culture. That’s a couple year overhaul which takes us past Josh’s prime.

 

So we are basically in no man’s land. Which is why I think we sit pat with the current regime outside some major catastrophe 

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, RunTheBall said:

This whole conversation is kind of funny because Terry put McD in his will and made him executor of his estate. He’s going nowhere anytime soon.

We all just ignoring this? No one else wants to point and laugh at quite possibly the outright dumbest and most fabricated thing ever said here? Just me? Okay....

[RunTheBall]

5 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

We all just ignoring this? No one else wants to point and laugh at quite possibly the outright dumbest and most fabricated thing ever said here? Just me? Okay....

 

Out of the what, 7K members of this board, I think you are the only one who took that comment seriously. So yes, just you.

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

10 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

 

Out of the what, 7K members of this board, I think you are the only one who took that comment seriously. So yes, just you.

 

 

I never underestimate the idiotic things people try and pass off as real on this board. 

[LABILLBACKER]

19 minutes ago, VaMilBill said:

It’s not that I don’t want to win a championship It’s just my objective opinion on the matter. 
 

if there was a coach that I believe could come in right away and win a championship I’d do it in a heartbeat. If you fire McD you lose all player development, now need to bring in new players to fit the new scheme, and rebuild the culture. That’s a couple year overhaul which takes us past Josh’s prime.

 

So we are basically in no man’s land. Which is why I think we sit pat with the current regime outside some major catastrophe 

The last place I want to be with a superstar like Josh is "no man's land".  That's basically code for saying we're too terrified to consider moving on from McD.  Even if we continue this yearly groundhogs day playoff exit. And I totally agree that every single solitary Bills fan wants a championship. I believe Ben Johnson would immediately be Josh's Andy Reid. That's just my opinion.  And yes I could very well be wrong, but I think Josh has earned the right to have a long term offensive HC.

[GunnerBill]

53 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

No sorry @GunnerBill.  At no point in the last 8 years have I said we have talent on defense.  In fact besides maybe Milano,  we've struggled to find talent. Especially on the front 4.  And I've also stated in several other threads that we have not landed an elite pass rusher in the Allen era.  You brought up 44% which is an excellent analogy I might add, to stress the struggles of this untalented group.  

 

Fair enough if I confused what you said with someone else I apologise.

[Blackbeard]

3 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

You seem to be confused.

 

Folks aren’t mad that McD makes calls. They are upset that they are almost always the wrong call, late in the game.

And just how many hundreds of play calls has he gotten correct, in your eyes?   

 

THAT'S MY POINT.  

 

For the smattering of questionable ones, he's made MANY great calls and decisions.  And again, ALL coaches make questionable calls.

 

You're expecting 100% perfection, 100% of the time,  which is completely unreasonable.  

 

I'm not confused in the slightest.  You're just ridiculously unreasonable in your assessment.

 

 

Edited December 30, 2024 by Blackbeard

[thenorthremembers]

12 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

The last place I want to be with a superstar like Josh is "no man's land".  That's basically code for saying we're too terrified to consider moving on from McD.  Even if we continue this yearly groundhogs day playoff exit. And I totally agree that every single solitary Bills fan wants a championship. I believe Ben Johnson would immediately be Josh's Andy Reid. That's just my opinion.  And yes I could very well be wrong, but I think Josh has earned the right to have a long term offensive HC.

 

So if we hire a offensive minded head coach what happens to the defense?  I ask because it's seems like a majority of the opinions here say our defense is what causes us to lose in the playoffs.   That defense is currently ranked 9th in the league with talent that desperately needs to be upgraded.   

 

So you're essentially firing McDermott to hire Ben Johnson to do what exactly?  The offense is already ranked 2nd in the league in scoring.    Has Ben Johnson shown that he is a better game manager than McDermott?

 

Its not like the team is losing in the wild card or not making the playoffs at all.  They are consistently losing to the World Champions in the playoffs.   Just like 30 other teams.  

 

You don't fire a proven head coach for an unknown.  

 

 

Edited December 30, 2024 by thenorthremembers

[Billsatlastin2018]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They did. But I never said that was my gold standard. Where did you get that from? I just corrected an incorrect statement. 

I know. But, because some of the facts are bolloxed doesn’t undercut the reality of multiple points given up to a clown QB. Being manhandled by Kermit or Burrow is one unfortunate happening, getting to life and death with someone you’ve barely ever heard of is brutal. Can’t happen.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Billsatlastin2018 said:

I know. But, because some of the facts are bolloxed doesn’t undercut the reality of multiple points given up to a clown QB. Being manhandled by Kermit or Burrow is one unfortunate happening, getting to life and death with someone you’ve barely ever heard of is brutal. Can’t happen.

 

They were given up because the O and STs kept throwing up over themselves. 

[LABILLBACKER]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Fair enough if I confused what you said with someone else I apologise.

No worries...your prospective is greatly appreciated.  On a side note I think we both agree that if McD had a better front 4, his back 7 wouldn't have to work so hard to make his scheme work. 

[Einstein]

9 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:

And just how many hundreds of play calls has he gotten correct, in your eyes?   

 

THAT'S MY POINT.  

 

Late in games - pretty rare. He typically makes the wrong decision late in games. It doesn’t always cost us, because Allen does something ridiculous or we have a large lead because of good decisions he made earlier in the game.

 

But to answer your question - late in the game, I would say he makes just as many bad decisions as he does good. If not more. It always surprises me when he makes a good decision late in the game.

 

There are so many instances that it’s hard to even keep track of all of them. They are littered throughout every season. Even little things, like calling a defensive timeout and giving the opposing offense time to come up with a play … whereas before they were rushing.

 

Most of them are forgotten about because they are numerous and typically small in the grand scheme.

 

I almost forgot. The team literally hired a timekeeping assistant, and a former ref, because of McD’s mistakes in that realm as well.

 

Edited December 30, 2024 by Einstein

[djp14150]

11 hours ago, Sojourner said:

Agreed. 
 

Super Bowl or a nail biting loss in the AFCC are the only ways to prevent him being replaced. And honestly, that’s fair imo. 
 

If they get bounced in the WC or divisionals he has to reach the Super Bowl in 2025 otherwise you realistically have to make the move. 
 

I’m a critic of Sean in some moments but a huge supporter of his however he’s had several chances and the team hasn’t showed up… Defensively…

 

That is part is the problem. His coaching niche has been the reason the franchise has been on the wrong end of the result more often than not in the playoffs. 

2020: Great overall. Sadly the offense sputtered early in that AFCC. 

 

2021: 13 seconds. Enough said. 
 

2022: Struggled to contain Skyler Thompson and the Fish. Couldn’t scheme anything against the Bengals and their backup carousel of offensive tackles. Whole team failed to make an appearance that day. Sadder it was at home. 
 

2023: Defense didn’t show up, granted we were missing 2 key players in Bernard and Benford. (Milano missed most of the year. Doesn’t really count)

Every excuse has been used.

 

Again, no problem returning with no questions if he gets us to the AFCC or the SB. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2020.. 3 red zone trips, 2 1st and goal, 2 FGs and an interception. They lose by 6.

2021 13 seconds+ OT rules

2022 What happened that year with Hamlin just effected the team against Cincinati like it just spent their energy.

2023 they had injuries losing Milano and Tre.  Missed FG to tie late.

 

2023 Miam playoffs…

 

Skylar throws for 220 while Allen throws 350.

20-17 BUF at half. 14 come from 2 turnovers and punt return ( FG, FG, TD+2)giving them a short field 

2nd half, Miami gets a 2nd half sack, fumble, TD for 24-20

Bills put up 2 TDs 

Miami scores making it 34-31

 

Miami ST and D produce 21 points by giving short fields or scoring themselves.

they returned  the favor giving BUF a short field TD