Random talking head says something about the Bills

[FireChans]

41 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Teams don't always finish with the same records or better every year...Levy went from 12-4 to 9-7 one year before going 13-3 2 seasons in a row.  Every season has different variables and challenges to them that need to be overcome and sometimes injuries play a bigger part in some seasons than in other seasons.

 

Psssst Marv Levy also never won a Super Bowl and his team choked in the Super Bowl 4 straight years. You may not have heard lmao

[dpberr]

I think Andy Reid is an outlier.  I support tenure to a point.  I think after a while, you know where the ceiling is.  Would you be ok with Sean McDermott under any of the following scenarios?  You get the impression that the "great" has come and gone.

 

Bill Belichick has yet to win a playoff game in the three seasons since Tom Brady left the Patriots.

 

Mike Tomlin hasn’t won a playoff game in six years.

 

John Harbaugh has just one playoff win over the last eight seasons.

 

Pete Carroll has one playoff win over the past six.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

56 minutes ago, T master said:

McD is a very smart guy i just hope he looks at tape and recognizes what did work (And use it) & what hasn't worked (And get rid of it) both from this year & in past years & implement that stuff .

 

If it works or if it ain't broke don't fix it ! I'm not sure what this season holds but at this point its not looking real good . I hope they can right the ship it's not for the lack of offensive talent because the weapons are there it's just utilizing it in the proper applications !!

 

I disagree that he's a very smart guy in relation to good coaches in the NFL. We have an incredibly predictable team. He's been given incredible resources to pour into "his side" of the team, the defense, and that unit gives it up in the biggest moments every time. Literally every single time. Look at the biggest games we've had in McD's tenure here, we almost never get that big stop in a big game when we really need it. 

 

The guy is a choker and a deer in headlights when the lights are brightest. I actually think he gets off easy on 13 seconds...he made big mistakes before that even happened. Look at how conservative we were in the first half of that game after he went conservative in the AFC championship game the year before and admitted that it was a mistake...only to do the same thing all over again and this time while Josh was in an all-time zone. 

 

He's just not made for this and hasn't done anything to propel himself to remake himself to be built for it. He's a good coach for a team looking to re-build...not the one who is in position to get over the hump and win it against the big boys. 

Edited October 24, 2023 by HomeskillitMoorman

[Big Turk]

Just now, dpberr said:

I think Andy Reid is an outlier.  I support tenure to a point.  I think after a while, you know where the ceiling is.  Would you be ok with Sean McDermott under any of the following scenarios?  You get the impression that the "great" has come and gone.

 

Bill Belichick has yet to win a playoff game in the three seasons since Tom Brady left the Patriots.

 

Mike Tomlin hasn’t won a playoff game in six years.

 

John Harbaugh has just one playoff win over the last eight seasons.

 

Pete Carroll has one playoff win over the past six.

 

Tomlin won his SB in his 2nd year...made the SB again 2 years later and lost...hasn't been back since in 11 years 😧

 

Also has never had a losing record there tho...perhaps that causes more issues than it solves if they need a few bad years for high end talent in the draft?

[90sBills]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

That was click bait, he literally came to the conclusion that firing Reid would be stupid..  

 

Since he got Mahomes, the only QB that has stopped him was 1… Tom Brady 3-0 against him in the playoffs.  So any fan calling for the coaches head when the only QB/team was the GOAT that stopped them is silly. 

It’s actually 0-2 against Brady with Mahomes. The AFCCG and the Superbowl. The other Chiefs Reid playoffs loss to Brady was with Alex Smith. 
 

Getting Mahomes changed everything for Reid. His reputation went from choking in the biggest games to possibly all time great. Funny how that works when you have a great qb.

 

Where does that leave McD? Either he’s like early Reid who hasn’t found his Mahomes yet or he’s just a mediocre coach that can’t win it all with a great qb like Allen. I think it’s the latter. 

[ngbills]

Should have known after we saw Peterman marched out there how many times? 

[Roundybout]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

see below

i liked him when he came. i really wanted Marrone to stay one more year to finish taking out the trash, honestly. but that was ok and mcd vindicated himself from my judgement when he had early success (potentially too early) with the '18 team.

 

i bought into him as a rebuild team after having Rex run the team with Roman and Thurman, two obvious subpar coordinators. He brought in two great candidates to run the team and it seemed like he could manage being the overseer of the team as HC. Dennison ultimately struggled.

 

it was against the Chargers that i first noticed a problem with him. he let Peterman start to the discontent of the entire team. to the point that the team gave up and didn't even care. they were messaging people during halftime about how it was messed up. against SD the chargers the coach took the team in unprepared and unwilling to step in when the OC was making a bad decision with peterman when it became obvious.

 

fast forward to '19 and what he did in Houston. he had the team in a position to win and they choked. that was more of a shrug it off thing but it was the first time we saw a team unable to do anything valuable in the postseason but it was not the last.

 

by tennessee in 2020 it was fairly obvious that the coach had issues. he took an unprepared team to get their ass handed to them and added a loss next week with an uninterested team against the Chiefs.  the rest of the season rocked with supreme talent and one of the best rosters in the league in a long time.

 

but 13 seconds was the nail in the coffin. for 2021 it was completely reasonable to see a disappointing loss to old big ben, a miserable jags game, an ass kicking from an inferior colts team we couldn't stop from scoring.

 

in the end, wins are wins. and most here are happy just being relevant. i think this way of thinking means you're a loser. you either want to win homecoming queen or just be happy being asked to the dance.

 

the question that gets asked to me all the time is if not McDermott then who? i don't have a solid answer for that because i don't pay enough attention to the candidates. but i do know that fear from possible mistakes is greater than the mistake of satisfaction over mediocracy.

 

fire mcdermott at the end of the year.

Sean McDermott is Lindy Ruff. Both guys who had a ton of success but now seems to be running out of steam.

 

we saw the murderer’s row of coaches that followed Lindy, and I am terrified at the thought of that happening to the Bills too, because I do not trust Terry to do the right thing. Ever.

[Roundybout]

2 hours ago, Billever76 said:

Been saying this since the 13s debacle lol...finally the truth is starting to show..this is the process and its ugly

No, the “process” was turning around a pathetic nothing franchise festering in 17 years of futility and turning it into a contender. That was accomplished. I don’t know why people STILL bash the process thing. 

[boyst]

11 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Sean McDermott is Lindy Ruff. Both guys who had a ton of success but now seems to be running out of steam.

 

we saw the murderer’s row of coaches that followed Lindy, and I am terrified at the thought of that happening to the Bills too, because I do not trust Terry to do the right thing. Ever.

if you're happy with us basically being the 80's and 90's Dolphins, than cool. McDermott is going to win a ton of games because he's lucky to have Josh Allen.

 

What would be telling is if Dorsey leaves - does anyone want to step up and work under McDermott? I'd guess many would be willing but would we hear whispers like we did with Daboll? We heard that McDermott is not easy to work with. I would love to hear Dennison's comments - he's way out of the league and a quality control guy for Sanders in Colorado.

[damj]

McDermott = Shottenheimer.

 

Will win alot of games, but never a championship

[ddaryl]

 

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[Success]

33 minutes ago, damj said:

McDermott = Shottenheimer.

 

Will win alot of games, but never a championship

 

Who knows.

 

Eagles fans used to say the same about Reid, and were thrilled to see him leave Philly. Now, he's regarded as the best.

 

I'm not happy w/ McD, but I also know he's a solid coach. And it can be tough to find a truly great coach.

 

[Low Positive]

2 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

That was click bait, he literally came to the conclusion that firing Reid would be stupid..  

 

Since he got Mahomes, the only QB that has stopped him was 1… Tom Brady 3-0 against him in the playoffs.  So any fan calling for the coaches head when the only QB/team was the GOAT that stopped them is silly. 

Joe Burrow/Zac Taylor got him in an AFCCG. In fact, if any team has Mahomes and the Chiefs number right now it's Cincinnati. I know that the Chiefs got them last year, but counting regular and post-season, Joe Burrow is 3-1 against the Mahomes, Reid, and the Chiefs.

[PatsFanNH]

5 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

Joe Burrow/Zac Taylor got him in an AFCCG. In fact, if any team has Mahomes and the Chiefs number right now it's Cincinnati. I know that the Chiefs got them last year, but counting regular and post-season, Joe Burrow is 3-1 against the Mahomes, Reid, and the Chiefs.

I was talking about the time the article was written and for the first 4 years he only lost because Brady bet him.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

6 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Who knows.

 

Eagles fans used to say the same about Reid, and were thrilled to see him leave Philly. Now, he's regarded as the best.

 

I'm not happy w/ McD, but I also know he's a solid coach. And it can be tough to find a truly great coach.

 

 

It's insane that some of you guys keep bringing up Andy Reid. In his first 6 seasons he went to 4 NFC Championships and a Superbowl, with a lesser talented QB. How does McD even come close to comparing to that? We're in decline without having ever even reached anything that resembles that kind of successful apex. 

[Low Positive]

2 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

I was talking about the time the article was written and for the first 4 years he only lost because Brady bet him.

Well in that case, you are correct. In remember in 2019 how bummed I was that the stupid Titans beat the Ravens. I really wanted to watch a Mahomes vs. MVP Lamar AFC CG. 

[Gregg]

1 hour ago, Roundybout said:

Sean McDermott is Lindy Ruff. Both guys who had a ton of success but now seems to be running out of steam.

 

we saw the murderer’s row of coaches that followed Lindy, and I am terrified at the thought of that happening to the Bills too, because I do not trust Terry to do the right thing. Ever.

 

If the Bills did move on from McDermott, then I would hope they keep Beane. He also has his faults, but I would want a football man in the organization leading the search for the next HC. Terry isn't that guy.

[Gunsgoodtime]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

Tomlin won his SB in his 2nd year...made the SB again 2 years later and lost...hasn't been back since in 11 years 😧

 

Also has never had a losing record there tho...perhaps that causes more issues than it solves if they need a few bad years for high end talent in the draft?

It's a gamble replacing the coaches for sure, especially when you have solid regular season numbers.  The 2 sides of Bills opinions now is the "fear" of going back to the drought.  I can certainly understand that if you are a younger fan.  As someone like myself, a bit older, I don't care about regular season wins any longer, I would like to see the Bills win just 1 Superbowl before I die.  If you share the belief that I have, that McDermott is not getting the best out of this team and looks like he could never win a Superbowl (Gets out coached in big games, even crappy teams this year) then it is worth the risk of going back to the drought years to try to win 1. JMO.  My buddy is a die hard Bears fan, and he said something very true.  Its more frustrating having the talent to win it all  (Allen Diggs etc) and lose to crappy teams than it is having a sorry roster and losing because of lack of talent

Edited October 24, 2023 by Gunsgoodtime

[zow2]

Cowherd dumped the Bills out of his Herd Hierarchy.  No longer in his top 10.  

[ALLinALLEN]

Just now, zow2 said:

Cowherd dumped the Bills out of his Herd Hierarchy.  No longer in his top 10.  

Thank god, things might turn around this week now