Big Turk Posted Wednesday at 01:19 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:19 PM 6 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: Josh has a turnover this year. A fumble early in the AZ game. If he had done his research, he'd have noticed that this Brady system is completely different in the passing game than Daboll or Dorsey. More short passes, no go to receiver and more plays to the TE. Obviously part of that is personnel specific, but much of that is also scheme. Josh is the farthest thing from a system QB. Josh is a system QB...whatever system he is in will look like genius and turn that OC into a hot name for a head coaching job. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted Wednesday at 01:28 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:28 PM Colin has been a big Allen supporter mainly though and his main take is that the Bills have failed him with making him do everything and giving him no OL and running game to support him, which is 100% true. So I think when he's saying that he's "OC dependent" he's saying that you can't just put him in a system that where he has to constantly throw the ball 35-45 times a game (again, true). Having Allen dropback and throw 40 times a game worked in 2020 because no one had seen it and they had just added Diggs which unlocked some of the deeper throws. Once teams got a full year of film on it (and the league moved to a more 2-high safety look overall), that gameplan just didn't always work and the Bills had no counter punch other than Allen running. It got worse under Dorsey and really cratered last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted Wednesday at 01:29 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:29 PM On 9/14/2024 at 9:43 PM, HansLanda said: I'd rather a lombardi and a gold jacket v any MVP award. Who really cares about the annual awards? MVPs are a dime a dozen, it is a popularity contest, not so much based in stats and impact of play, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted Wednesday at 01:42 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:42 PM On 9/14/2024 at 5:49 PM, Kangaxx said: Emmanuel Acho (MVP Voter) & Lesean Mccoy try to make the argument that Tua & Josh are on the same plane of existence in terms of talent, ability and achievement. Acho also mentioned he likes Tua more than Josh. MVP doesn't mean anything anymore. Maybe you posted the wrong clip, but they appeared to be effusive in their praise of Josh and critical of Tua. The whole point of the segment was to highlight that Tua has never shown that he's worthy of being in the discussion of top quarterbacks like Josh, and also that Josh owns him head to head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted Wednesday at 01:44 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:44 PM 15 minutes ago, BrooklynBills said: Colin has been a big Allen supporter mainly though and his main take is that the Bills have failed him with making him do everything and giving him no OL and running game to support him, which is 100% true. So I think when he's saying that he's "OC dependent" he's saying that you can't just put him in a system that where he has to constantly throw the ball 35-45 times a game (again, true). Having Allen dropback and throw 40 times a game worked in 2020 because no one had seen it and they had just added Diggs which unlocked some of the deeper throws. Once teams got a full year of film on it (and the league moved to a more 2-high safety look overall), that gameplan just didn't always work and the Bills had no counter punch other than Allen running. It got worse under Dorsey and really cratered last year. Is it true? That's exactly what Daboll did and he had an MVP worthy season in 2020. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted Wednesday at 01:44 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:44 PM Tua is 17-3 when the weather is about 80 degrees. 16-17 when the weather is below 80 degrees. That is an insane stat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted Wednesday at 01:46 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:46 PM Just now, Royale with Cheese said: Tua is 17-3 when the weather is about 80 degrees. 16-17 when the weather is below 80 degrees. That is an insane stat. So is it Tua or just that defenses wear out and get tired in the heat? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted Wednesday at 01:51 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:51 PM 4 minutes ago, Big Turk said: So is it Tua or just that defenses wear out and get tired in the heat? That's a good question. With the speed the Dolphins have...it just takes that one a little fatigued player on defense and then it's an 80 yard TD. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted Wednesday at 01:53 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:53 PM 23 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: MVPs are a dime a dozen, it is a popularity contest, not so much based in stats and impact of play, Is it really though?........LJ doesn't seem to me to be the most popular guy in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted Wednesday at 02:11 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 02:11 PM (edited) 17 minutes ago, Sweats said: Is it really though?........LJ doesn't seem to me to be the most popular guy in the league. He is in the media. They are the ones voting, not the players. Edited Wednesday at 02:11 PM by Big Turk 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0neguy Posted Wednesday at 02:32 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 02:32 PM On Tua’s 17-3 record. How many of those games were at home when the opponent was roasting at 120+? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted Wednesday at 02:44 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 02:44 PM 48 minutes ago, Sweats said: Is it really though?........LJ doesn't seem to me to be the most popular guy in the league. Well, if those that vote went by stats he wouldn’t have gotten his 2nd MVP…, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted Wednesday at 02:50 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 02:50 PM 57 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Is it true? That's exactly what Daboll did and he had an MVP worthy season in 2020. Yes, but once the league got film on that offense other teams were able to better gameplan against it and the Bills didn't have an adequate counter-punch other than designed Allen runs and scrambling. The offense had major dips in both 2021(under Daboll) and 2022(under Dorsey). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted Wednesday at 03:28 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 03:28 PM 37 minutes ago, BrooklynBills said: Yes, but once the league got film on that offense other teams were able to better gameplan against it and the Bills didn't have an adequate counter-punch other than designed Allen runs and scrambling. The offense had major dips in both 2021(under Daboll) and 2022(under Dorsey). Or that they didn't have a John Brown type needed to be a complete passing attack 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted Thursday at 07:26 AM Share Posted Thursday at 07:26 AM 17 hours ago, TheBrownBear said: Maybe you posted the wrong clip, but they appeared to be effusive in their praise of Josh and critical of Tua. The whole point of the segment was to highlight that Tua has never shown that he's worthy of being in the discussion of top quarterbacks like Josh, and also that Josh owns him head to head. Tua did lead the NFL last season in total yards. People keep dissing Tua. He is a very accurate QB and can get the ball out quickly. It is not Tua's fault that the Dolphins have not put it all together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted Thursday at 08:51 AM Share Posted Thursday at 08:51 AM Tua did a fine job last year and I’m glad the Dolphins chose to place him on IR so at least all of his symptoms subside before getting three independent Neurologists (Headache sub specialists) and can make an objective assessment. I’d prefer him for health reasons to retire, but it in the end is his decision. If during the next CBA the league and players Union mutually agree there are safety limits, then fine. Everything has been said on this topic so I really don’t listen to many of the talking heads. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted Thursday at 08:59 AM Share Posted Thursday at 08:59 AM 17 hours ago, BrooklynBills said: Yes, but once the league got film on that offense other teams were able to better gameplan against it and the Bills didn't have an adequate counter-punch other than designed Allen runs and scrambling. The offense had major dips in both 2021(under Daboll) and 2022(under Dorsey). Honestly I think those were more about personnel than scheme. In 2021 their oline was a major major weakness. In 2022 they started hot but when they had injuries to their receivers performance dropped and they didn't have depth. Agre having more of a genuine run game helps. Not disputing that. But I don't think it is evidence that the Bills have to win less on Josh's right arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted Thursday at 08:32 PM Share Posted Thursday at 08:32 PM (edited) 13 hours ago, ganesh said: Tua did lead the NFL last season in total yards. People keep dissing Tua. He is a very accurate QB and can get the ball out quickly. It is not Tua's fault that the Dolphins have not put it all together. Yes it is because he is the limiting force on their offense. He is the 4th best player ON HIS OWN OFFENSE after Hill, Waddle and Achane. Those players carry HIM, not the other way around. That's why when teams take the WRs out of the game when they press coverage and get rough with them to disrupt routes and timing and clog up the middle he looks like hot garbage. Because he can't beat you in other ways. His toolset is limited. And while he might be great at a few things those few things aren't enough when playing good teams that can take those away effectively and force him to do something else to beat you. How is this even an argument at this point? McDaniel runs a flawed offense predicated on 'tricking people" in large part because Tua acts like handcuffs on it and he can't win when they just have to line up and beat someone without all that. Stats are stats. Plenty of bad teams to pile stats up against. When he plays good teams his stats are average to below average CONSISTENTLY. Edited Thursday at 08:35 PM by Big Turk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted Thursday at 09:02 PM Share Posted Thursday at 09:02 PM On 9/18/2024 at 8:17 AM, GASabresIUFan said: This guy has always spouted nonsense. There is no logic in his "take." How can Josh be a system QB when he has played under 3 different OCs with different systems in the last 4 years including one season with 2 OCs and thrived in all of them. That's just not true. His take is perfectly logical. It's designed to generate the reaction it's getting and increase the views of his videos. He doesn't care if it's "correct" or "accurate". He just cares that people pay attention to it and make him money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago 16 hours ago, Big Turk said: Yes it is because he is the limiting force on their offense. He is the 4th best player ON HIS OWN OFFENSE after Hill, Waddle and Achane. Those players carry HIM, not the other way around. That's why when teams take the WRs out of the game when they press coverage and get rough with them to disrupt routes and timing and clog up the middle he looks like hot garbage. Because he can't beat you in other ways. His toolset is limited. And while he might be great at a few things those few things aren't enough when playing good teams that can take those away effectively and force him to do something else to beat you. How is this even an argument at this point? McDaniel runs a flawed offense predicated on 'tricking people" in large part because Tua acts like handcuffs on it and he can't win when they just have to line up and beat someone without all that. Stats are stats. Plenty of bad teams to pile stats up against. When he plays good teams his stats are average to below average CONSISTENTLY. fair enough. Teams always play to their players strengths...Miami and Tua are no different. It just was not their day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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