BADOLBILZ Posted February 2 Posted February 2 18 minutes ago, Man with No Name said: lol@ you throwing his 3.2 avg from his 4th year into a 3 year avg from his other lesser seasons to come up with that 3.9. immediately done reading your post as soon as i see that. that 3.2 stands alone. do not put it together with a 4.4 season and a 4.0 season which also included 59 receptions and 8 TDs When league average is 4.2 and your last 400 carries are below that..........that blows. Like I said, the far-too-modest 4.4 was a bad year in context. Everyone else was running for 5.5 yards in that offense. When he finally went out for the season Karlos and Gillislee ATE in his absence. He was holding them back. He admitted as much that offseason as well. Hugely disappointing first year in Buffalo and 2 low production years to finish. Imagine signing a 27 year old RB to a big contract now. It wasn't any less stupid then.....but that's how dysfunctional the Bills were. It's funny hearing the nuanced complaints about the team now being treated like they are absolute travesties when they were doing dumb sh!t like paying a veteran RB top dollar back then and some of you were eating it up. 1 Quote
BarleyNY Posted February 2 Posted February 2 (edited) 46 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: When league average is 4.2 and your last 400 carries are below that..........that blows. Like I said, the far-too-modest 4.4 was a bad year in context. Everyone else was running for 5.5 yards in that offense. When he finally went out for the season Karlos and Gillislee ATE in his absence. He was holding them back. He admitted as much that offseason as well. Hugely disappointing first year in Buffalo and 2 low production years to finish. Imagine signing a 27 year old RB to a big contract now. It wasn't any less stupid then.....but that's how dysfunctional the Bills were. It's funny hearing the nuanced complaints about the team now being treated like they are absolute travesties when they were doing dumb sh!t like paying a veteran RB top dollar back then and some of you were eating it up. There is a model in the NFL where a premier RB is a necessity to make the playoffs. Dallas employed that with Zeke and Dak and Cleveland with Baker and Chubb. Ditto the Bills with Tyrod and Shady. It’s not a particularly good model because it centers around a QB that can only win with a premier running game and defense, but it can keep fans off of an owner’s back and allow a GM and HC to keep their jobs for a while. I’m happy that the Bills have graduated to a situation where they have a premium QB, which opens up the running game. Edited February 2 by BarleyNY 1 1 Quote
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted February 2 Posted February 2 The Daniel Jones experiment only goes as far as a compare and contrast. Both were project QBs thrust into rookie roles where they struggled early with completion percentage. The Bills went out and got Daboll early and built a supporting cast. The Giants... didn't. With Daboll in 2022 Jones had his best year ever. But Isaiah Hodgins was a contributor. That's the talent drop off. Josh all day any day Quote
BADOLBILZ Posted February 2 Posted February 2 7 hours ago, BarleyNY said: There is a model in the NFL where a premier RB is a necessity to make the playoffs. Dallas employed that with Zeke and Dak and Cleveland with Baker and Chubb. Ditto the Bills with Tyrod and Shady. It’s not a particularly good model because it centers around a QB that can only win with a premier running game and defense, but it can keep fans off of an owner’s back and allow a GM and HC to keep their jobs for a while. I’m happy that the Bills have graduated to a situation where they have a premium QB, which opens up the running game. I don't think I'd give Rex and Whaley that much credit.😂 Rex saw a shiny toy and they made an impulse buy. Then when McCoy expressed his disgust at the trade and threatened not to report they had to re-do his deal.........greatly devaluing the exchange because his then Eagles contract ran thru 2017 already........which would eventually turn out to be the end of his usefulness as an NFL player(and a year past his "star" days). I think alcohol on the Pegula yacht contributed more to that snap decision as some model for success. 1 Quote
Beck Water Posted February 3 Posted February 3 8 hours ago, BarleyNY said: There is a model in the NFL where a premier RB is a necessity to make the playoffs. Dallas employed that with Zeke and Dak and Cleveland with Baker and Chubb. Ditto the Bills with Tyrod and Shady. It’s not a particularly good model because it centers around a QB that can only win with a premier running game and defense, but it can keep fans off of an owner’s back and allow a GM and HC to keep their jobs for a while. I’m happy that the Bills have graduated to a situation where they have a premium QB, which opens up the running game. Would you say that seems to be the model in San Francisco? Quote
Beck Water Posted February 3 Posted February 3 7 hours ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: The Daniel Jones experiment only goes as far as a compare and contrast. Both were project QBs thrust into rookie roles where they struggled early with completion percentage. The Bills went out and got Daboll early and built a supporting cast. The Giants... didn't. With Daboll in 2022 Jones had his best year ever. But Isaiah Hodgins was a contributor. That's the talent drop off. Josh all day any day ? Daniel Jones worst career completion % was 62% his rookie year, with 24 TD to 12 INT. He got enough ypg to win, as well, with 233 y/g That was under Pat Shurmur as OC and Mike Shula (yep, our guy now) as OC. He looked pretty good IMO. Compare and contrast Josh Allen's rookie year, 53% completion and 10 TD to 12 INT, 173 YPG which is typically not enough to win consistently. Allen's 2nd year some better, with 59% completion, 20 TD to 9 INT and close to 200 YPG Part of the difference is that Allen got to stay with a consistent crew of coaches that added pieces on OL and at WR. In contrast, the Giants moved on to Joe Judge as HC and Jason Garrett as OC and Jones supporting cast either stayed the same or got worse. Quote
BarleyNY Posted February 3 Posted February 3 56 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Would you say that seems to be the model in San Francisco? That’s a really good question. I wasn’t thinking of them, but, yeah, it would be the same set up. They have the added benefit of Kyle Shanahan though. He is phenomenal at elevating the play of his QBs. That would make them an exception to the “can’t get very far in the playoffs.” Quote
Beck Water Posted February 3 Posted February 3 4 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: That’s a really good question. I wasn’t thinking of them, but, yeah, it would be the same set up. They have the added benefit of Kyle Shanahan though. He is phenomenal at elevating the play of his QBs. That would make them an exception to the “can’t get very far in the playoffs.” I am personally rooting "one game farther" for them. 1 Quote
julian Posted February 3 Posted February 3 1 hour ago, Beck Water said: ? Daniel Jones worst career completion % was 62% his rookie year, with 24 TD to 12 INT. He got enough ypg to win, as well, with 233 y/g That was under Pat Shurmur as OC and Mike Shula (yep, our guy now) as OC. He looked pretty good IMO. Compare and contrast Josh Allen's rookie year, 53% completion and 10 TD to 12 INT, 173 YPG which is typically not enough to win consistently. Allen's 2nd year some better, with 59% completion, 20 TD to 9 INT and close to 200 YPG Part of the difference is that Allen got to stay with a consistent crew of coaches that added pieces on OL and at WR. In contrast, the Giants moved on to Joe Judge as HC and Jason Garrett as OC and Jones supporting cast either stayed the same or got worse. The other part of the reason is Jones isn’t Allen, Jones will not and can not ever do what Allen can and does do on a football field. seems like a nice guy though. Quote
The 9 Isles Posted April 5 Posted April 5 Entertaining clip with Simms defending how Allen handled the Diggs drama during their time together. More ….. not so heated lol 2 2 Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted April 5 Posted April 5 6 minutes ago, The 9 Isles said: Entertaining clip with Simms defending how Allen handled the Diggs drama during their time together. More ….. not so heated lol Question: What do you call it if Florio, Simms, Nick Wright, Cowherd and Steven A. Smith were in a car that drove off a cliff? Answer: A good start. 1 10 1 Quote
Coach Tuesday Posted April 5 Posted April 5 The Stephen A. Smith-ization of sports tv shows is why I don’t watch them anymore. Who sits and watches two guys yelling at each other about things that dont even matter in life? 2 10 2 1 3 Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted April 5 Posted April 5 7 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: The Stephen A. Smith-ization of sports tv shows is why I don’t watch them anymore. Who sits and watches two guys yelling at each other about things that dont even matter in life? It was a fun schtick when it first started and there were one maybe two guys that did it. Now every show has to have "that guy". And much like it is outside the sports world, it's often those that yell the loudest that know the least. Though I haven't watched in years I used to enjoy Pardon the Interruption with Wilbon and Kornheiser. Often had opposing views but actually talked and made valid and informed points on both sides. 1 3 Quote
Green Lightning Posted April 5 Posted April 5 I'll watch Florio and Simms from time to time. I used to like Good Morning Football. McAfee is entertaining. The rest are unwatchable and Nick Wright is just an ass-clown. 5 Quote
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted April 5 Posted April 5 40 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: The Stephen A. Smith-ization of sports tv shows is why I don’t watch them anymore. Who sits and watches two guys yelling at each other about things that dont even matter in life? Yet you have nearly 18k appearances in this forum, where people argue and yell about differing sports opinions that don’t matter in life 😂 2 3 1 1 Quote
4merper4mer Posted April 5 Posted April 5 55 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: The Stephen A. Smith-ization of sports tv shows is why I don’t watch them anymore. Who sits and watches two guys yelling at each other about things that dont even matter in life? This. On top of that, neither one of them has a clue about the reality of the situation but they argue about it anyway. Quote
BarleyNY Posted April 5 Posted April 5 This highlights the real problems with that kind of difficult situation. Allen was handcuffed. He wasn’t really in a position to be able to tell off Diggs and put him in line. You can only do that when you’re able to kick someone to the curb and that just barely became feasible this offseason. Florio was right that Diggs had the power in the relationship. Allen had to play peacemaker because burning down the relationship with Diggs would hurt the whole team. The real issue was the contract extension the Bills gave him. You can’t make a guy like Diggs happy for long. He’s only happy if he gets every last thing he wants and the minute he doesn’t he goes back to being a massive problem. 2 Quote
zow2 Posted April 5 Posted April 5 I mean Florio is right. It's not in Josh's nature to be a hard ass. He had to accept Diggs being a moody Diva and do his best to not cause a huge rift. These two players used to be buddies and would play Call of Duty nearly every day after practice and I'm sure by this past season they barely spoke outside the facility. it's because Diggs wanted it that way and eventually get to another team. Quote
Don Otreply Posted April 5 Posted April 5 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: The Stephen A. Smith-ization of sports tv shows is why I don’t watch them anymore. Who sits and watches two guys yelling at each other about things that dont even matter in life? Well said, as to the “who” you mentioned… I won’t go there. Quote
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