Random talking head says something about the Bills

[CincyBillsFan]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I agree on the second point. But Josh missed him on the first throw. It bounces 3 yards infront of McKenzie. That was a QB miss. Isaiah's head is round when the ball is halfway there. It just falls short. 

 

 

Some context please - wasn't Allen and Dawkins the ONLY Bills players that were on the field for EVERY offensive snap in the sauna like conditions where almost every other Bills player spent time on the sideline suffering heat stroke?  When Allen missed on that pass it was near the end of the game and one can only guess how little he had left in the tank at that point.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Some context please - wasn't Allen and Dawkins the ONLY Bills players that were on the field for EVERY offensive snap in the sauna like conditions where almost every other Bills player spent time on the sideline suffering heat stroke?  When Allen missed on that pass it was near the end of the game and one can only guess how little he had left in the tank at that point.

 

 

 

Yes. I mentioned that in my original post on the subject. 

[Alphadawg7]

So this thread actually has nothing to do with talking heads I see lol

[NewEra]

14 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Some look at your posting track record and believe you are actually either a NE or a Dolphins fan.

Nah, I think he/she’s just a very vocal pessimist that suffers from ptsd and some egocentrism 

[Augie]

15 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Some context please - wasn't Allen and Dawkins the ONLY Bills players that were on the field for EVERY offensive snap in the sauna like conditions where almost every other Bills player spent time on the sideline suffering heat stroke?  When Allen missed on that pass it was near the end of the game and one can only guess how little he had left in the tank at that point.

 

 

 

I have yet another problem with the NFL and the Competition Committee here. If the rules say a team can only have shade structures if the opponent has shade structures, but they are already in the shade, we have a fairness issue. Once again, total BS. Just like “home games” in another team’s second home and jet lag “experiments”. Stuff like this can decide who wins games, and advances to the playoffs. 

 

Even I read what I’m typing and it feels like whining, but it’s real. It does not appear that the league cares about “competitive advantage” stuff like this.  If they don’t care, I care a little less. 

[WideNine]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

I like the input on this thread. Very solid and stimulating as a Bills fan. Your post certainly adds quality to the discussion. 

 

I'd like to push back a little here. 

 

I think McD should remain the DC. He's a really good defensive coach. Not sure his replacement would be more effective and nothing more than a puppet or scapegoat for McD. I think he capable of doing both. 

 

I'd argue in the minority the opposite which will never happen. I'd like for McD to step down and be the DC only. Enter a new offensive minded head coach. Win win here. 

 

Change always comes with risks but it comes with rewards as well. Look at the Josh Allen pick as an example. Huge risk with huge rewards. It's not change for change sake with the Bills. It's a change to push the team to the SB. Something that McD has woefully failed to do the last two seasons. I think the risks are minimal here and easily overcome with the right choice as head coach. 

 

I can get behind your thinking outside the box because it never hurts to think through alternative paths to success and sometimes change is needed.

 

The question remains whether McD is that guy that can get this team over the playoff hump and to the big show; Making the right defensive and ST calls in pivotal moments against talented teams to protect a lead and close the door.

 

Some have already made up their minds and I am unlikely to shift those opinions. I like listening to Marino and I know where he stands on the subject and can respect how he got there.

 

Perhaps I am a bit too patient, but my preference usually leans more towards incremental positive tweaks rather than blowing up something that is largely successful to start anew. I also like to weigh the feedback from the locker room and (to me) it does not sound like he has lost this team.

 

I get that there is some anecdotal evidence that offensive-minded HCs have faired better winning out in recent years with the Pats dynasty having ended.

 

As far as McD's continued coaching of the defense, I think McD is a good defensive coach, but one that relies a lot on a system he has where he simply has to have the right guys to plug in to be successful, but those systems are often easier to teach.

 

He and Beane have swung for the fences on some defensive pickups and overpayed for guys that have not quite panned out, but overall I would give them a passing grade drafting/developing & acquiring FA defensive talent.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 21, 2023 by WideNine

[Royale with Cheese]

 

[Augie]

26 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

 

Great! The big old Super Jinx!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or….is it the reverse jinx?  🤷‍♂️

 

Or maybe a terrible Chris Breman imitation? 

 

.

Edited December 21, 2023 by Augie

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

Some look at your posting track record and believe you are actually either a NE or a Dolphins fan.

That's ridiculous. I'm critical of the Bills and overly critical to a flaw at times. But my intentions are always for the better of the Bills. I badly want to see a parade in Buffalo and the Bills hoisting the Lombardi. Make no mistake about that. 

 

You can question my thinking and rational because that's fair game. I admit I'm wrong often. But to imply or question my loyalty to the Bills is flat out wrong. 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Some context please - wasn't Allen and Dawkins the ONLY Bills players that were on the field for EVERY offensive snap in the sauna like conditions where almost every other Bills player spent time on the sideline suffering heat stroke?  When Allen missed on that pass it was near the end of the game and one can only guess how little he had left in the tank at that point.

 

No one is saying that Josh had no rational reason behind why he might have missed the throw.  But this sub-thread started when someone tagged McKenzie as at fault for missing that catch.  The point was, whatever valid reasons Josh might have for missing that throw, the miss was on Josh.

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

The thing is, judging from your body of work as a poster here, you would think McDermott can't get it done come playoff time even if he *could*

You're the Bulletin Board posting embodiment of a Type II error**

 

You have a 3 year record here of having all sorts of reasons (besides McDermott) why the Bills were going to lose.

2020: "I see one playoff win and then we lose. Is this considered a successful season? "

and: "The same logic can be applied to the Rams game and to some extent the New England game. Those were 2 games we should have lost. Refs bad PI call. Horrific fumble by Newton. Perhaps add in the raider game as well."

2021: "What do you expect from a New England based reporter? The Bills weaknesses are on both sides of the lines. They got manhandled on the lines vs Pitt, Tenn, Colts, and Jags. The "soft" label isn't a unfair statement. We will see if the Bills can she'd this label and beat the Pats. "

2022: "Miami has a much better roster than Buffalo. They have weapons galore on offense and a innovation modern day coach. The Bills aren't cruising past them for the division. It will be a dog fight likely to the end. The Bills have proven that can't beat KC or Cincinnati in the playoffs. This year is likely the same outcome. Both teams have tested and proven playoff winners. Mahomes and Burrow are clearly better than Allen come playoff time. Allen is not the Allen of 13 seconds in KC. That year and that game was an outliner. We haven't seen that version of Allen in 3 years and likely never will. We fans have to stop thinking that's the version of Allen we will get! Instead, we will get an inconsistent Allen. One who will make spectacular plays and bone head plays."

and: (prior to the Dolphins game):"Bills are chasing the Dolphins early in the season. Could this be the changing of the guard with a Miami win?"

and: (October 31) "AFC - Cinci. Burrow is elite. Big time weapons. Experienced team. NFC - Philly. They are just too good. Biggest surprises Bills miss the playoffs. Dolphins play in the AFC championship game."

 

---------------that's just a 5 minute sample without looking too hard.  I know there was "better" stuff to be found.---------------

 

My points:

1) You can't have it both ways.  If the Bills have had 13-3, 11-6, 13-3 records the last 3 years while having an inconsistent bonehead QB (whose 13 second game was an outlier) and while being weak on both sides of the lines and soft, then they must have a damned good coach to compensate.  And if all that's true (and there's some truth to it), maybe the problem isn't the coach.

2) After a sufficient number of false negative opinions, it becomes clear that someone's negative views are relatively meaningless.  You were predicting doom and gloom and playoff losses or early exits back in 2020 (AFCCG year), way before McDermott had any track record to support "McD can't get it done come playoff time".  You may be right; you may be wrong, but you've been wrong enough that it's "eh".

 

I'm not saying the Bills will go deep in the playoffs this year.  The injuries run deep on defense, I think we lack enough skill position talent on offense, and I'm not sure about Brady yet.  It's also possible that the negative take on McDermott is correct.

 

I'm just saying that based on your track record here, your belief that McDermott can't get it done come playoff time should not be taken as evidence either way.

**since I was asked: statistically, a Type II error is a false negative conclusion.

 

 

 

 

 

What a long post of nothing. I stand by everything I said. I'm the first one to admit I was wrong when I'm wrong. 

 

Talk about having it both ways. Your post is one big hedge. 

 

No one on this planet knows if McD will or will not get it done! It clearly opinionated. It goes without saying my opinion is not evidence . Not once have I implied that. The reason why you go there is obvious. You and lots and lots of others don't agree with my viewpoint. It's safe to say I rub many the wrong way. I sincerely apologize for that.

 

Diversity is fantastic.  "Strengths lies in differences, not in similarities."

Edited December 21, 2023 by newcam2012

[Beck Water]

16 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

That's ridiculous. I'm critical of the Bills and overly critical to a flaw at times. But my intentions are always for the better of the Bills. I badly want to see a parade in Buffalo and the Bills hoisting the Lombardi. Make no mistake about that. 

 

You can question my thinking and rational because that's fair game. I admit I'm wrong often. But to imply or question my loyalty to the Bills is flat out wrong. 

 

I don't think it's the critical or 'overly critical to a flaw' part, though I applaud the self-awareness to acknowledge that last. Kudos for that, I do respect it.

 

I think it's more the quick trigger on predicting success for the Pats and the Fins and sometimes other teams that has some saying   I'm just pointing out how some see it.  Clearly I'm not the only one.

Edited December 21, 2023 by Beck Water

[Warcodered]

49 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

He's not really wrong, the Bills get there you look back and you'll see exactly the kind of things he's saying lining up for them for the most part.

[Juice_32]

52 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

 

Me taking Colin off my "list"...

 

[Beck Water]

40 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

What a long post of nothing. I stand by everything I said. I'm the first one to admit I was wrong when I'm wrong. 

 

Talk about having it both ways. Your post is one big hedge. 

 

No one on this planet knows if McD will or will not get it done! It clearly opinionated. It goes without saying my opinion is not evidence . Not once have I implied that. The reason why you go there is obvious. You and lots and lots of others don't agree with my viewpoint. That's the beauty of the forum here.

 

Diversity is fantastic.  "Strengths lies in differences, not in similarities."

 

I'm hedging on my viewpoint of McDermott, which is nothing new.  I've said it before, I have my receipts.  I acknowledge that sometimes the Bills line play has been soft.  That's nothing new - McDermott has commented on lack of physicality in the line play at times.

 

I'm not hedging on you: you are consistently so negative that some do think you're a fan of other teams.  Furthermore, you're dunking on McDermott as incapable of winning, while simultaneously trailing a track record of dissing on the Bills players of major position groups and on Josh Allen. 

 

Which is it?  Either Or, Not Both.  If the 2021 Bills were weak on both sides of the lines and have an inconsistent bone-headed playmaker at QB, then it's not McDermott's fault that the Bills got stopped in the division round.  Soft teams with inconsistent or boneheaded QB play usually DO get stopped.   Ditto if Miami has a much better roster than Buffalo AND McDaniels is a much better coach.  How'd they lose to us earlier this season then?

 

You "stand by everything you said" is inconsistent with "I admit I was wrong when I'm wrong".   You were wrong about one playoff win then we lose in 2020.  We went to the AFCCG that year.  You were wrong in predicting a "changing of the guard" with a Miami victory due to their "much better roster" earlier this season.  etc.

 

 

Edited December 21, 2023 by Beck Water

[Drew21PA]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Well ?

 

if they win out who can think otherwise he is right 

 

lots of paper tigers out there and buffalo is proving to be a powerhouse at the right time again

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Nah, I think he/she’s just a very vocal pessimist that suffers from ptsd and some egocentrism 

 

I can empathize with PTSD.  I have a good case of BBFS (battered Bills fan syndrome) myself.

[Mango]

3 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

I'm taking the Bills all day in that scenario and 5 times on Sunday

Pretty sure they can only play one game that day, but I’d have to check the official rules.

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

I'm hedging on my viewpoint of McDermott, which is nothing new.  I've said it before, I have my receipts.  I acknowledge that sometimes the Bills line play has been soft.  That's nothing new - McDermott has commented on lack of physicality in the line play at times.

 

I'm not hedging on you: you are consistently so negative that some do think you're a fan of other teams.  Furthermore, you're dunking on McDermott as incapable of winning, while simultaneously trailing a track record of dissing on the Bills players of major position groups and on Josh Allen. 

 

Which is it?  Either Or, Not Both.  If the 2021 Bills were weak on both sides of the lines and have an inconsistent bone-headed playmaker at QB, then it's not McDermott's fault that the Bills got stopped in the division round.  Soft teams with inconsistent or boneheaded QB play usually DO get stopped.   Ditto if Miami has a much better roster than Buffalo AND McDaniels is a much better coach.  How'd they lose to us earlier this season then?

 

You "stand by everything you said" is inconsistent with "I admit I was wrong when I'm wrong".   You were wrong about one playoff win then we lose in 2020.  We went to the AFCCG that year.  You were wrong in predicting a "changing of the guard" with a Miami victory due to their "much better roster" earlier this season.  etc.

 

 

One can be right on certain topics as well as wrong on the results. 

 

Case in point the Bills were weak in the trenches last year and they still won lots of games. However, come playoff time vs excellent teams those weaknesses came to light. So its fair to say the Bills in the trenches were weak and aided in not achieving their goal. Despite one playoff win and a great regular season. It's fair to say McD did a poor job in preparation, schemes, and adjustments in last years playoffs. 

 

It doesn't have to be either or as you are putting it. It's not either McD solely or the players solely. Surely, you can't be that naive. 

 

Buffalo beat Miami but there still might be a "changing of the guard." You see it doesn't have to be one or the other. Surely, you can't be that naive. 

 

It obvious I'm critical of the coach and the roster. It's not popular here. I'm not the only one here. I'm not on some crusade to blast negativity. What I said had/has merit. The end results are unknown until they happen. To point out my wrongs after the fact are more than fair. However, you can go back and find wrongs on everyone. 

 

Let me give you a fine example. For the longest, I've been advocating for the Bills to move on from McD. While doing so, I've received so much negative feedback and opposing views. I welcomed it all. However, my stance was pretty much on an island with the exception of a few. Fast forward to about a month ago while I was in time out. So many on here were echoing similar stances to mine. It was confirmation that maybe my thinking wasn't off. Much different than being right or wrong. 

 

One can be wrong and stand behind what they said based on many supportive variables without being inconsistent. The two aren't mutually exclusive. Think of the draft process as a great example. 

 

Again another failed attempt to personally attack me with the other fan nonsense. All I can do is laugh. 

Edited December 21, 2023 by newcam2012

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Let me give you a fine example. For the longest, I've been advocating for the Bills to move on from McD. While doing so, I've received so much negative feedback and opposing views. I welcomed it all. However, my stance was pretty much on an island with the exception of a few. Fast forward to about a month ago while I was in time out. So many on here were echoing similar stances to mine. It was confirmation that maybe my thinking isn't off. Much different than being right or wrong. 

 

One can be wrong and stand behind what they said based on many supportive variables without being inconsistent. The two aren't mutually exclusive. Think of the draft process as a great example. 

 

 

One can also hold an opinion that is wrong at a momen in time that if held later would be correct. Even if there is grounds for firing McDermott after this season, that doesn't mean you were right when you wanted to fire him 2 years ago. It doesn't work like that. Life isn't so binary.