Random talking head says something about the Bills

[newcam2012]

4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Marty was 5-13 in the playoffs. Not exactly the same.
 

It’s not about being afraid of change. It’s about believing there’s a head coach available that is better than McDermott and also better than Andy Reid.

 

I don’t completely dismiss the Cincy game but it’s the only time the Bills have been lifeless in a playoff game. So yes I need more than that to fire McDermott. 
 

Many people are creating an unrealistic expectation for the next head coach.

That's a fair position and post. 

 

As for myself, I've seen enough to think McD can't get it done come playoff time. Obviously, you disagree. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

6 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

That's a fair position and post. 

 

As for myself, I've seen enough to think McD can't get it done come playoff time. Obviously, you disagree. 

No, I agree. I’m not confident in McDermott at all. But there is a world where the Bills offense continues to be good but the defense takes a giant step backwards. 
 

Im also not sold on the players in the playoffs either. I think we’ve been missing closers in the playoffs, especially on defense.

 

[H2o]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

No, I agree. I’m not confident in McDermott at all. But there is a world where the Bills offense continues to be good but the defense takes a giant step backwards. 
 

Im also not sold on the players in the playoffs either. I think we’ve been missing closers in the playoffs, especially on defense.

 

I think we actually have those this year in Ed O and Floyd. Ed is having his best season by far and we all see what Floyd brings to the table. I like either of those guys to disrupt a play when we really need it. 

[finn]

On 12/20/2023 at 1:55 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

 I mean they have beaten us twice with Josh. Once in 900° heat (and Josh missed Isaiah for a walk in touch down at the end) 

Can't let this pass. Allen didn't miss McKenzie, McKenzie was picking daisies and didn't get his head around in time to catch the ball. He also later decided, in the wisdom of his tiny head, not to run out of bounds to stop the clock after he did catch a ball. That loss was on him as much as anyone. What a pinhead. 

 

We'll look back at this era and shake our collective heads at the mediocre WR corps Allen has had to throw to. Outside of Diggs (and Beasley for two years), he's throwing to these wide receivers: McKenzie, Davis, John Brown, Andre Roberts, Sanders, Duke Williams, Kumerow, Stevenson, Harty, Sherfield, and Shakir. (I still have hopes for Shakir.)

 

I'm a big fan of Beane's roster-building. But the big hole is his resume is wide receiver. He finally saw the light on McKenzie. Maybe he'll notice that Brady is ignoring Gabe Davis and realize it's for a very good reason.  

[dollars 2 donuts]

3 hours ago, Drew21PA said:

What I find funny is you go to Miami boards and they are all talking about how they are about to lose the division becuase - as they say - they are paper tigers and they know it.

 

they will lose out 

 

 

Drew, it still stuns me that even though their team is 10-4 and have the Bills coming up at home the Bills live absolutely, positively rent free in their heads. 

 

Forgive me, but their stress over the Bills is like nectar or ambrosia to me.  It's just so good and if the Bills take care of their own business we get to so wonderfully enjoy this everyday for the next 10 days leading up to the glory of Dolphins week with the hopes of the division still being on the line.

 

Man, it has already been like Christmas since they lost to the Titans.

 

Go Bills!

 

   

 

 

Edited December 21, 2023 by dollars 2 donuts

[GunnerBill]

32 minutes ago, finn said:

Can't let this pass. Allen didn't miss McKenzie, McKenzie was picking daisies and didn't get his head around in time to catch the ball. He also later decided, in the wisdom of his tiny head, not to run out of bounds to stop the clock after he did catch a ball. That loss was on him as much as anyone. What a pinhead.

 

I agree on the second point. But Josh missed him on the first throw. It bounces 3 yards infront of McKenzie. That was a QB miss. Isaiah's head is round when the ball is halfway there. It just falls short. 

 

 

Edited December 21, 2023 by GunnerBill

[finn]

I stand corrected; my bias against McKenzie is distorting my memory. Thanks, GunnerBill. 

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

No, I agree. I’m not confident in McDermott at all. But there is a world where the Bills offense continues to be good but the defense takes a giant step backwards. 
 

Im also not sold on the players in the playoffs either. I think we’ve been missing closers in the playoffs, especially on defense.

 

Enter Leonard Floyd and the new Ed Oliver. I think von will bring it come playoffs.  AJ playing for his big $ as is Daquan, Shaq, JP (if he plays).  Our DL can carry us.    
 

On D, i’m not worried about closers.  I’m worried about McD with the game on the line.  

 

On O, I’m worried about our run game being able to produce like we are counting on them to produce. 

[finn]

12 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

I'm not here to say McD is a poor coach because that's just not true. His regular season accomplishments and consecutive playoffs appearances are impressive. What equally unimpressive are his playoff losses going back year after year after year. 

 

Fast forward to this year and the Bills are in a dogfight. None of us imagined the Bills would be in such a predicament. The playoffs are certainly in question.

 

At this point, the bar seems to have lowered. Perhaps many will be satisfied with a playoff appearance and a subsequent playoff game. Anything after that is gravy. I think I'm even beginning to have that mindset. Funny how the human brain works. 

 

Another year of coach McD...

No it's not just 13 seconds. He's screwed the policy a plenty during his playoff tenure. He's been badly out coached on several occasions. 

I think this is a fair assessment. We all want things to be black and white since it's so much easier and more gratifying that way. But the truth is usually more nuanced, and the truth is that McDermott has been very good in some ways and really pretty poor in others. In sum, his contributions probably amount to a wash. Firing him would not be worth the disruption and risk of ending up with someone worse. 

 

No, McDermott is a permanent part of the Josh Allen era. We have to acknowledge that he has played a key role in getting the Bills this far--and also a key role in their faltering several years in a row. His Achilles Heel is the close game. Let's hope he has applied his vaunted Process to himself and learned from his many mistakes. 

[bmur66]

I just hope they bottled up some of what they brought to the Cowboys

[WideNine]

26 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Enter Leonard Floyd and the new Ed Oliver. I think von will bring it come playoffs.  AJ playing for his big $ as is Daquan, Shaq, JP (if he plays).  Our DL can carry us.    
 

On D, i’m not worried about closers.  I’m worried about McD with the game on the line.  

 

On O, I’m worried about our run game being able to produce like we are counting on them to produce. 

 

McD was dialing up quite a few 0 blitzes earlier this year and teams had our number.

 

They were diagnosing the tells and had ready answers that were moving the sticks.

 

I think he and his coaches have done some self-scouting and have gotten better at disguising those looks. Also a lot of new faces in the defensive lineup where those nuances may have a learning curve.

 

I do think he has made some poor decisions in crucial moments, but has managed the team well through a lot of adversity.

 

Rather than throw the baby out with the bath water I could see them looking for an up and coming defensive coach that could once again take on those DC duties and free him for the HC duties that he has performed admirably.

 

Folks like to get creative with the scapegoat narrative lumping in the Frazier release, but we knew what a Frazier defense was before McD came along... safe, bend don't break, zone scheme with minimal blitz or pressure packages.

 

Works well against the lions share of offenses, but gets dismantled by elite QBs and receivers that can work the flats and the sticks all the way down the field.

 

I am not scared of change, but change for change sake is not enough to justify the risks.

 

 

 

 

[Big Turk]

On 12/20/2023 at 12:11 AM, Mango said:

There’s a chance this game is win and in or for the 2 and 7 seed.
 

If things play out like we hope I think this game is prime for Sunday night to close out the league year. Making the sun a total non-factor. Which would be an awesome way to end all of Miami’s home field advantage. 

 

I'm taking the Bills all day in that scenario and 5 times on Sunday

[LABILLBACKER]

Cowherd 5 minutes ago went on the record saying the SB will be SF v Bills. He's says things going on with other AFC teams is lining up perfect for Buffalo. 

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, finn said:

I think this is a fair assessment. We all want things to be black and white since it's so much easier and more gratifying that way. But the truth is usually more nuanced, and the truth is that McDermott has been very good in some ways and really pretty poor in others. In sum, his contributions probably amount to a wash. Firing him would not be worth the disruption and risk of ending up with someone worse. 

 

No, McDermott is a permanent part of the Josh Allen era. We have to acknowledge that he has played a key role in getting the Bills this far--and also a key role in their faltering several years in a row. His Achilles Heel is the close game. Let's hope he has applied his vaunted Process to himself and learned from his many mistakes. 

Very thought out post. Just wondering how disruptive letting McD go would be?

 

My initial thought is not that much. Why? We've seen teams do this with immediate success. The Eagles, Texans, and the Broncos jump off the page as examples. What do these teams have in common with the Bills? QBs that are more than able to win.

 

Point being Allen can almost lead the new coach to wins. The coach just has to close out games. Of course, this is a bit simplistic but the theory applies. 

 

Running it back with McD again just seems like an old recipe that's safe but always ends up short.

 

Who is out there to jump start the team? Inviscerate new blood, new concepts, a swagger, innovation, etc...im sure that person is out there. Peyton was that guy but the cost was too much. Harbaugh and Ben Johnson seem like solid choices. Others care to comment?

 

In the end, the point is mute because McD isn't going anywhere. He's solid and we just have to hope he can get over the hump. I get how fans want to rally behind McD. I may as well jump on the bandwagon and enjoy the McD train ride. I'll be riding coach though. 

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, WideNine said:

 

McD was dialing up quite a few 0 blitzes earlier this year and teams had our number.

 

They were diagnosing the tells and had ready answers that were moving the sticks.

 

I think he and his coaches have done some self-scouting and have gotten better at disguising those looks. Also a lot of new faces in the defensive lineup where those nuances may have a learning curve.

 

I do think he has made some poor decisions in crucial moments, but has managed the team well through a lot of adversity.

 

Rather than throw the baby out with the bath water I could see them looking for an up and coming defensive coach that could once again take on those DC duties and free him for the HC duties that he has performed admirably.

 

Folks like to get creative with the scapegoat narrative lumping in the Frazier release, but we knew what a Frazier defense was before McD came along... safe, bend don't break, zone scheme with minimal blitz or pressure packages.

 

Works well against the lions share of offenses, but gets dismantled by elite QBs and receivers that can work the flats and the sticks all the way down the field.

 

I am not scared of change, but change for change sake is not enough to justify the risks.

 

 

 

 

I like the input on this thread. Very solid and stimulating as a Bills fan. Your post certainly adds quality to the discussion. 

 

I'd like to push back a little here. 

 

I think McD should remain the DC. He's a really good defensive coach. Not sure his replacement would be more effective and nothing more than a puppet or scapegoat for McD. I think he capable of doing both. 

 

I'd argue in the minority the opposite which will never happen. I'd like for McD to step down and be the DC only. Enter a new offensive minded head coach. Win win here. 

 

Change always comes with risks but it comes with rewards as well. Look at the Josh Allen pick as an example. Huge risk with huge rewards. It's not change for change sake with the Bills. It's a change to push the team to the SB. Something that McD has woefully failed to do the last two seasons. I think the risks are minimal here and easily overcome with the right choice as head coach. 

[Beck Water]

5 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

As for myself, I've seen enough to think McD can't get it done come playoff time. Obviously, you disagree. 

 

The thing is, judging from your body of work as a poster here, you would think McDermott can't get it done come playoff time even if he *could*

You're the Bulletin Board posting embodiment of a Type II error**

 

You have a 3 year record here of having all sorts of reasons (besides McDermott) why the Bills were going to lose.

2020: "I see one playoff win and then we lose. Is this considered a successful season? "

and: "The same logic can be applied to the Rams game and to some extent the New England game. Those were 2 games we should have lost. Refs bad PI call. Horrific fumble by Newton. Perhaps add in the raider game as well."

2021: "What do you expect from a New England based reporter? The Bills weaknesses are on both sides of the lines. They got manhandled on the lines vs Pitt, Tenn, Colts, and Jags. The "soft" label isn't a unfair statement. We will see if the Bills can she'd this label and beat the Pats. "

2022: "Miami has a much better roster than Buffalo. They have weapons galore on offense and a innovation modern day coach. The Bills aren't cruising past them for the division. It will be a dog fight likely to the end. The Bills have proven that can't beat KC or Cincinnati in the playoffs. This year is likely the same outcome. Both teams have tested and proven playoff winners. Mahomes and Burrow are clearly better than Allen come playoff time. Allen is not the Allen of 13 seconds in KC. That year and that game was an outliner. We haven't seen that version of Allen in 3 years and likely never will. We fans have to stop thinking that's the version of Allen we will get! Instead, we will get an inconsistent Allen. One who will make spectacular plays and bone head plays."

and: (prior to the Dolphins game):"Bills are chasing the Dolphins early in the season. Could this be the changing of the guard with a Miami win?"

and: (October 31) "AFC - Cinci. Burrow is elite. Big time weapons. Experienced team. NFC - Philly. They are just too good. Biggest surprises Bills miss the playoffs. Dolphins play in the AFC championship game."

 

---------------that's just a 5 minute sample without looking too hard.  I know there was "better" stuff to be found.---------------

 

My points:

1) You can't have it both ways.  If the Bills have had 13-3, 11-6, 13-3 records the last 3 years while having an inconsistent bonehead QB (whose 13 second game was an outlier) and while being weak on both sides of the lines and soft, then they must have a damned good coach to compensate.  And if all that's true (and there's some truth to it), maybe the problem isn't the coach.

2) After a sufficient number of false negative opinions, it becomes clear that someone's negative views are relatively meaningless.  You were predicting doom and gloom and playoff losses or early exits back in 2020 (AFCCG year), way before McDermott had any track record to support "McD can't get it done come playoff time".  You may be right; you may be wrong, but you've been wrong enough that it's "eh".

 

I'm not saying the Bills will go deep in the playoffs this year.  The injuries run deep on defense, I think we lack enough skill position talent on offense, and I'm not sure about Brady yet.  It's also possible that the negative take on McDermott is correct.

 

I'm just saying that based on your track record here, your belief that McDermott can't get it done come playoff time should not be taken as evidence either way.

**since I was asked: statistically, a Type II error is a false negative conclusion.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 21, 2023 by Beck Water

[LeGOATski]

2 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I like the input on this thread. Very solid and stimulating as a Bills fan. Your post certainly adds quality to the discussion. 

 

I'd like to push back a little here. 

 

I think McD should remain the DC. He's a really good defensive coach. Not sure his replacement would be more effective and nothing more than a puppet or scapegoat for McD. I think he capable of doing both. 

 

I'd argue in the minority the opposite which will never happen. I'd like for McD to step down and be the DC only. Enter a new offensive minded head coach. Win win here. 

 

Change always comes with risks but it comes with rewards as well. Look at the Josh Allen pick as an example. Huge risk with huge rewards. It's not change for change sake with the Bills. It's a change to push the team to the SB. Something that McD has woefully failed to do the last two seasons. I think the risks are minimal here and easily overcome with the right choice as head coach. 

People like to put him in these boxes, but I think McD is an offensive-minded head coach ....and special teams-minded....and defensive-minded. He wants an offense that put up a ton of points and plays complimentary football. He knows that a high scoring offense is what allows his defense to dominate. He wants an uber-talented dual-threat QB and great running game, just like he had in Carolina when they made their Super Bowl run. He hasn't made it to the big dance yet, but he has the same mindset as Belichick, Harbaugh, Tomlin, and other successful "non-offensive minded" guys.

[dakrider]

14 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I like the input on this thread. Very solid and stimulating as a Bills fan. Your post certainly adds quality to the discussion. 

 

I'd like to push back a little here. 

 

I think McD should remain the DC. He's a really good defensive coach. Not sure his replacement would be more effective and nothing more than a puppet or scapegoat for McD. I think he capable of doing both. 

 

I'd argue in the minority the opposite which will never happen. I'd like for McD to step down and be the DC only. Enter a new offensive minded head coach. Win win here. 

 

Change always comes with risks but it comes with rewards as well. Look at the Josh Allen pick as an example. Huge risk with huge rewards. It's not change for change sake with the Bills. It's a change to push the team to the SB. Something that McD has woefully failed to do the last two seasons. I think the risks are minimal here and easily overcome with the right choice as head coach. 

I'll believe in McDermott when the Bills D actually stops a team that has the ball at the end of a close game.

[CSBill]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I agree on the second point. But Josh missed him on the first throw. It bounces 3 yards infront of McKenzie. That was a QB miss. Isaiah's head is round when the ball is halfway there. It just falls short. 

 

 

 

I agree; the ball was about 3 yards short - he just missed him on that throw.

Edited December 21, 2023 by CSBill

[Beck Water]

46 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I like the input on this thread. Very solid and stimulating as a Bills fan.

 

Some look at your posting track record and believe you are actually either a NE or a Dolphins fan.