Random talking head says something about the Bills

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

They are still one of the best. I know fans believe it’s easy to win playoff games and make super bowl’s, but it’s not. 

He’s pretty good. 

Really? You think a 4-5 playoff record is pretty good? That's a 44% win percentage. I'd call that below average. 

 

His playoff record, performance, and outcomes are critical reasons why some think it's time to move on from McD. 

[machine gun kelly]

10 hours ago, Dr. K said:

And yet at the time many people said Dorsey did not deserve to be fired, that he was a “scapegoat.”

Not anymore

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Really? You think a 4-5 playoff record is pretty good? That's a 44% win percentage. I'd call that below average. 

 

His playoff record, performance, and outcomes are critical reasons why some think it's time to move on from McD. 

He’s only lost to Mahomes and Burrow in years we felt they should’ve won. There’s an argument to be made that he’s only lost in the playoffs to teams with better QBs. 
 

We’re down on McDermott for 13 seconds and rightfully so. But good luck finding a better head coach. 

[newcam2012]

45 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He’s only lost to Mahomes and Burrow in years we felt they should’ve won. There’s an argument to be made that he’s only lost in the playoffs to teams with better QBs. 
 

We’re down on McDermott for 13 seconds and rightfully so. But good luck finding a better head coach. 

Marty Schottenhemer says hi.

46 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He’s only lost to Mahomes and Burrow in years we felt they should’ve won. There’s an argument to be made that he’s only lost in the playoffs to teams with better QBs. 
 

We’re down on McDermott for 13 seconds and rightfully so. But good luck finding a better head coach. 

Don't be afraid of change.

 

"Fear keeps us focused on the past or worried about the future."

4 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Really? You think a 4-5 playoff record is pretty good? That's a 44% win percentage. I'd call that below average. 

 

His playoff record, performance, and outcomes are critical reasons why some think it's time to move on from McD. 

You totally dismiss the Cinci game? 

[Rew]

7 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Just wondering have you looked up his playoff record? 

11-9 Reid (Eagles)

11-9 Harbaugh

11-10 McCarthy

11-11 Carroll

2-2 Siriani

8-9 Tomlin

4-5 McDermott

2-3 Vrabel

2-3 LaFleur

3-5 Rivera

 

His record seems inline (within random error) with most of the rest of his colleagues.  The only consistent with "good" coaches is that they go the the playoffs a bunch of times.  They win some they lose some, but converge on 50% wins over extended time.  1-2 deeps runs would have McDermott 's playoff record among the leagues best coaches current and historically (as far as playoff win %).  Almost every coach with a playoff win % over .580 only made it to the playoffs 2-3 times ever.  There are like 5-10 examples in the history of the league that managed to make it to the playoffs more than a few times and won "most" of their games.  

 

Reid and Billy are the only recent coaches that stick out with 4 or more playoff seasons and having a shockingly high win%.

 

McDermott is currently 11th in the league (among active coaches) in total playoff wins.

 

[bobobonators]

7 hours ago, WideNine said:

 

My only criticism of McD was that he waited as long as he did to pull the trigger on Dorsey.

 

They both go back to the Carolina days, but it was clear he was either in over his head or simply not a good fit for the role after last season.

 

The numbers for the offense last year were deceptive because they had a great start to the season, then teams adjusted and our offense was becoming a turnover machine when not going 3 and out. Josh was regressing and we were barely sqeaking out wins down the wire and finally ended the season in a wimper against the Bengals.

 

I am sure making that switch this year was hard, but what we have seen to date is an offense that seems to be better prepared with a game plan for opponents and executing at a higher level.

 

The confusion, mistakes, turnovers, and pre-snap penalties were just snowballing under Dorsey.

 

McD does have a defensive system that relies on having types of players that fit that system, and he has been snake bit with injuries and they could not protect an offense that was struggling to put up points.

 

Would be nice if the fickle gods of football give us a break on that side of the ball and we get some of those key guys back healthy.

 

Bean has done a masterful job finding good replacement players and it is great to see some of the young blood starting to step up and grow into contributing roles.

 

 

 

 

Do you honestly think the decision to let go of Dorsey was 100% McD’s? Because it wasn’t. 

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, Rew said:

11-9 Reid (Eagles)

11-9 Harbaugh

11-10 McCarthy

11-11 Carroll

2-2 Siriani

8-9 Tomlin

4-5 McDermott

2-3 Vrabel

2-3 LaFleur

3-5 Rivera

 

His record seems inline (within random error) with most of the rest of his colleagues.  The only consistent with "good" coaches is that they go the the playoffs a bunch of times.  They win some they lose some, but converge on 50% wins over extended time.  1-2 deeps runs would have McDermott 's playoff record among the leagues best coaches current and historically (as far as playoff win %).  Almost every coach with a playoff win % over .580 only made it to the playoffs 2-3 times ever.  There are like 5-10 examples in the history of the league that managed to make it to the playoffs more than a few times and won "most" of their games.  

 

Reid and Billy are the only recent coaches that stick out with 4 or more playoff seasons and having a shockingly high win%.

 

McDermott is currently 11th in the league (among active coaches) in total playoff wins.

 

There are a few other factors that one should consider along with their won vs loss playoff record. 

 

How many of those coaches have gone to a SB and or won a Lombardi? 

 

How many have/had such a good QB like Allen to work with. If they had a QB comparable to Allen what were their results? Did they make a SB appearance or win it all?

 

What is the window between coach and franchise QB to win or go to the super bowl? Consensus says it's five to six years. Do the math here. 

 

How many of those coaches just gave playoff games away in  13 seconds? How many just were flat out unprepared and outcoached in their playoff games? 

 

Surely an honest assessment shows McD is a poor playoff coach. He has under performed. You can try to slant the truth and minimize the facts and numbers.

 

The bar has changed for at least two years perhaps three. The playoffs and a playoff win just isn't good enough. Perhaps, that's good enough for many Bills fans who have endured droughts and missed playoffs. I get that and I clearly remember those dark days. I believe the decades of losing has mitigated the flaws of coach McD. In other words, what he's done is better than before. Let's appreciate the accomplishments. That's true in a vacuum or a bubble.

 

I'd argue the Bills haven't advanced further in the playoffs because of McD and the staff he entrusted. Just look at the collapses in the playoffs. It's not just an anomaly. It's more the norm. I think it's more than fair to question his ability to perform under playoff pressure and led the team to a SB. Besides optimism there's little evidence to support a theory that he can get it done. Doesn't mean he won't but thus far evidence has shown his clapping has fallen short. 

 

I'm not here to say McD is a poor coach because that's just not true. His regular season accomplishments and consecutive playoffs appearances are impressive. What equally unimpressive are his playoff losses going back year after year after year. 

 

Fast forward to this year and the Bills are in a dogfight. None of us imagined the Bills would be in such a predicament. The playoffs are certainly in question.

 

At this point, the bar seems to have lowered. Perhaps many will be satisfied with a playoff appearance and a subsequent playoff game. Anything after that is gravy. I think I'm even beginning to have that mindset. Funny how the human brain works. 

 

Another year of coach McD...

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He’s only lost to Mahomes and Burrow in years we felt they should’ve won. There’s an argument to be made that he’s only lost in the playoffs to teams with better QBs. 
 

We’re down on McDermott for 13 seconds and rightfully so. But good luck finding a better head coach. 

No it's not just 13 seconds. He's screwed the policy a plenty during his playoff tenure. He's been badly out coached on several occasions. 

[Billsatlastin2018]

10 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

 

At this point, the bar seems to have lowered. Perhaps many will be satisfied with a playoff appearance and a subsequent playoff game. Anything after that is gravy. I think I'm even beginning to have that mindset. Funny how the human brain works. 

 

Classic Barren Years Syndrome Taking Hold.

 

4/9 in the Playoffs and desiring simply more of the same is the Loser’s lament! It’s simply mediocre crap! 

 

This team is unlikely to go anywhere under 13 Seconds + 12th Man McClapper! When the going gets tough… he doesn’t! He makes losing decisions.

Edited December 21, 2023 by Billsatlastin2018

[Fan in Chicago]

16 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

  Browns are playing very well and their D keep them in most games and well they have been fun to watch lately. I can see both making it in. 

I can't help but think that Flacco is going to run out of steam soon,  like very soon.

His success in the past few games cannot last

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

Classic Barren Years Syndrome Taking Hold.

 

4/9 in the Playoffs and desiring simply more of the same is the Loser’s lament! It’s simply mediocre crap! 

 

This team is unlikely to go anywhere under 13 Seconds + 12th Man McClapper! When the going gets tough… he doesn’t! He makes losing decisions.

I agree 100%. I think we are in the minority here. 

[Mikie2times]

Just now, newcam2012 said:

I agree 100%. I think we are in the minority here. 

Three weeks ago 90% of the board wanted him fired. I guess in the end his colors will show. I felt they already had as far as the postseason but he’s here no matter what this year and next year. So again, colors will show. 

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, Fan in Chicago said:

I can't help but think that Flacco is going to run out of steam soon,  like very soon.

His success in the past few games cannot last

Sure it can as long as their defense can get and stay healthy. 

 

Flacco doesn't have to be elite or carry the team. A few big plays and taking care of the ball is likely his role in the playoffs. He might be better than Watson right now. 

 

Flacco can play really bad or great. Low floor and high ceiling. Q

[Mikie2times]

3 hours ago, Rew said:

11-9 Reid (Eagles)

11-9 Harbaugh

11-10 McCarthy

11-11 Carroll

2-2 Siriani

8-9 Tomlin

4-5 McDermott

2-3 Vrabel

2-3 LaFleur

3-5 Rivera

 

His record seems inline (within random error) with most of the rest of his colleagues.  The only consistent with "good" coaches is that they go the the playoffs a bunch of times.  They win some they lose some, but converge on 50% wins over extended time.  1-2 deeps runs would have McDermott 's playoff record among the leagues best coaches current and historically (as far as playoff win %).  Almost every coach with a playoff win % over .580 only made it to the playoffs 2-3 times ever.  There are like 5-10 examples in the history of the league that managed to make it to the playoffs more than a few times and won "most" of their games.  

 

Reid and Billy are the only recent coaches that stick out with 4 or more playoff seasons and having a shockingly high win%.

 

McDermott is currently 11th in the league (among active coaches) in total playoff wins.

 

Oh come on. Only three coaches in the Super Bowl era have over a .600 winning % in the regular season and have never won even a conference championship. One of those is Marty. He’s statistically more like Marty than he is any coach that has won even a conference championship. The stats on coaches winning a SB the first team they coached after this long would make him an anomaly. Now since we sucked it up most the year it seems like the playoffs is deemed a good year. No thanks. 

[Mikie2times]

4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He’s only lost to Mahomes and Burrow in years we felt they should’ve won. There’s an argument to be made that he’s only lost in the playoffs to teams with better QBs. 
 

We’re down on McDermott for 13 seconds and rightfully so. But good luck finding a better head coach. 

Who on this forum is arguing Allen is not every bit as good as Burrow and Mahomes? I usually get my head taken off for even commenting on such a thing. If you want to diminish Allen to elevate McD it’s a slippery slope.

not to mention. its been double failure on both sides of the ball or complete meltdown. No logical way to pin our playoff demise on one area. It’s been a total failure at just about every level.  Offense, defense, and game management. I imagine you can escape one of those variables sometimes but not when all three have been a threat.

[Solomon Grundy]

11 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Sure it can as long as their defense can get and stay healthy. 

 

Flacco doesn't have to be elite or carry the team. A few big plays and taking care of the ball is likely his role in the playoffs. He might be better than Watson right now. 

 

Flacco can play really bad or great. Low floor and high ceiling. Q

Get a couple of hits on Flacco and you'll see the happy feet again

[Buffalo_Stampede]

7 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Marty Schottenhemer says hi.

Don't be afraid of change.

 

"Fear keeps us focused on the past or worried about the future."

You totally dismiss the Cinci game? 

Marty was 5-13 in the playoffs. Not exactly the same.
 

It’s not about being afraid of change. It’s about believing there’s a head coach available that is better than McDermott and also better than Andy Reid.

 

I don’t completely dismiss the Cincy game but it’s the only time the Bills have been lifeless in a playoff game. So yes I need more than that to fire McDermott. 
 

Many people are creating an unrealistic expectation for the next head coach.

Edited December 21, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Drew21PA]

17 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

Zow, this is the take.  I concur.

 

BTW, if we get to the final game of the season and win, BUT Miami goes 2-0 over the next two weeks with wins over Baltimore and Dallas, guess what...they deserved the division then.  Nothing we can do about it after the fact.  

 

What I find funny is you go to Miami boards and they are all talking about how they are about to lose the division becuase - as they say - they are paper tigers and they know it.

 

they will lose out 

[Billsatlastin2018]

4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

don’t completely dismiss the Cincy game but it’s the only time the Bills have been lifeless in a playoff game. So yes I need more than that to fire McDermott. 

It’s not the Cinci game, where McDermott was at HOME, but completely unprepared. Rather, it is the never to be forgiven 13 seconds of Titanic mgt. incompetence and several others where he appears clued out and incompetent about what to direct at the half and far,far more critically games end! 
 

At the head of the list is either squandering TOs or leaving them on the field, in the foolish, mistaken belief that it’s better to move on into the next half or OT to win. Just remember, he USED TOs to not defend 13 seconds and could not count to 12 during the other! That is inexcusably terrible!
 

It is the thinking of a Defensive conservative minded HC, rather than one willing to take any reasonable opportunity to win,with a generational and possibly HOF type talent at the most critical position- QB!

 

I would argue the about to be released Mike Tomlins or even Bellicheats of the NFL are the type the Bills should be looking at. They won’t last one day after being fired before the call is made.

 

Some here are willing to accept this,thus far, season of Coaching incompetence,where EVERY game must be won until September! The Bills should have been sitting pretty, home with the AFC 1 Seed by now with at least 4 games wasted! 
 

And my goal is NOT to accept one and out in the Playoffs! That’s thinking for the vast majority of the first part of this millennium! 
 

That is Loser Syndrome Mentality!

Raise yourself up people!

 

THE ONLY GOAL IS A ROMAN NUMERAL! 
 

Don’t sell yourselves short by accepting a few crumbs!

Demand far, far better of OBD!

 

 

Edited December 21, 2023 by Billsatlastin2018

[Billsatlastin2018]

2 hours ago, Drew21PA said:

they will lose out 

Maybe. At this juncture, I’ll take one of the next two.

 

In my mind, the NFL sets up this way, THIS WEEK! It is important to say this week, because there has never been a season with so many better teams losing to stiffs and more than once.

 

NFC- San Fran is the best team in the league, bar none. The other 3 decent teams are simply pretenders.

 

AFC- Baltimore is the best team, by virtue of what they have accomplished and this week. Several are next and many here would argue the Bills are #2. The Bills fear nobody today! Going to Baltimore for an AFC Championship? , The Ravens fear the BILLS! It is why, I believe, Kermit had his meltdown. ALL of these teams want the Bills out of the Playoffs. They know, if they draw them, they’re likely done!

 

The Bills need to win that Division. Without it, there is no certainty of the Playoffs and it makes it easier only having 2 AFC games on the road after that. So we want the Cowgirls to rise as the Walking Dead this week!

 

(One final note. I… me…(not the Bills) fear one team. Call me crazy, but should the Cleveland Clowns get in, that D and wily old Flacco concern me. They will make it tough to win and be tough on Josh!)

[Buffalo_Stampede]

23 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

It’s not the Cinci game, where McDermott was at HOME, but completely unprepared. Rather, it is the never to be forgiven 13 seconds of Titanic mgt. incompetence and several others where he appears clued out and incompetent about what to direct at the half and far,far more critically games end! 
 

At the head of the list is either squandering TOs or leaving them on the field, in the foolish, mistaken belief that it’s better to move on into the next half or OT to win. Just remember, he USED TOs to not defend 13 seconds and could not count to 12 during the other! That is inexcusably terrible!
 

It is the thinking of a Defensive conservative minded HC, rather than one willing to take any reasonable opportunity to win,with a generational and possibly HOF type talent at the most critical position- QB!

 

I would argue the about to be released Mike Tomlins or even Bellicheats of the NFL are the type the Bills should be looking at. They won’t last one day after being fired before the call is made.

 

Some here are willing to accept this,thus far, season of Coaching incompetence,where EVERY game must be won until September! The Bills should have been sitting pretty, home with the AFC 1 Seed by now with at least 4 games wasted! 
 

And my goal is NOT to accept one and out in the Playoffs! That’s thinking for the vast majority of the first part of this millennium! 
 

That is Loser Syndrome Mentality!

Raise yourself up people!

 

THE ONLY GOAL IS A ROMAN NUMERAL! 
 

Don’t sell yourselves short by accepting a few crumbs!

Demand far, far better of OBD!

 

 

Thats the problem. Thinking that keeping McDermott over the hot coordinator is selling short or loser mentality. It’s the complete opposite. Bad teams go from coach to coach. I don’t want that.