Is Tre Back?

[Royale with Cheese]

19 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

50+ years of fandom have done that to me.  

 

There are people in 3rd world southeast Asian countries that don't get to see Josh Allen make incredible plays, Sean McDermott clap and Matt Milano cracking ribs with his shoulder.....don't take it for granted what you have.  It could be worse, you could be cheering for your village to beat another village with a 1981 Adidas soccer ball half covered in duct tape playing on a mud field without a dome. 

Edited September 5, 2023 by Royale with Cheese

[Billl]

1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Corner play doesn’t seem like it’s at a super high premium in the McDermott system anyway so as long as he’s better than last year we should be fine. 
 

the safety play last year felt like it hurt a lot more than the corners…hopefully we’ve got a healthy hyde/poyer combo.

McDermott has been the coach for 7 drafts.  They used first round picks on CBs twice.  I'd say they put a premium on the position.

[4merper4mer]

Hasn’t everyone received the memo that Tre is a candidate to fill the criticism vacuum created when 49 signed with the Bears?

[FilthyBeast]

I'm not sure White will ever be back to his pre injury form but even if so he was always a bit on the overrated side.

 

If he can't return to that form or anything close to it this is likely his last season in Buffalo anyway given expectations this roster is going to look vastly different next year given pending cap situation.

[BullBuchanan]

I think there's a a very high chance he's done. He'll hang on in the league a little while longer, but I expect him to be a JAG from this point out instead of the $20M Tre White we knew. An ACL for a corner is a killer, and great corners can start falling off hard as early as their late 20's even with decent health. He'll be 29 in a few months and coupled with the injury, I just don't see him having much left. Maybe he can get one more pro bowl nod based on adequate play and name recognition, But I think his days of being a top 10 guy are over.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

He was elite in 2019. His guy was targeted 90 times that year. He allowed a 43 passer rating with 6 picks. First team all pro.  Not much worse in his rookie year or 2020.

 

he looked like a shell of himself last year. Hoping he rebounds like Revis did from the knee, otherwise he’s a very expensive middling corner that will need to be cut or traded the first out they have. 
 

 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Tre has only allowed a completion percentage of higher than 55% once in his career, and it was 56.9% 

 

That, my friends, is elite. 

[LabattBlue]

3 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Corner play doesn’t seem like it’s at a super high premium in the McDermott system anyway…

If that is the case, then why did they use a #1 pick two years ago on a CB?  😉

Edited September 5, 2023 by LabattBlue

[AuntieEm]

5 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

I've suffered from preseason worries about our secondary.  On paper, we look great.  But our three stars - White, Hyde, Poyer - all had injury issues last year.  And the two safeties aren't getting younger.  

 

And last season, Tre just didn't look the same after coming back from his ACL.  Beane recently said this:

 

"I think Tre’Davious is in a really good spot.  You can just see it when you talk to him. He’s confident. You know, the D.A. was a tough deal for him. Was his first major injury. And, you know, not an easy one to come back from, you know, when you’ve never dealt with that. And he’s in a great headspace. He’s really confident. And I see a guy who’s ascending and getting himself back to the Tre that he was pre-injury.”

 

I like the first part of the quote but when Beane says he's "ascending" and "getting himself back," I began to worry again.  

 

Is Tre really in a "good spot" or is he still "getting himself back?"  

 

www.whec.com/sports-news/brandon-beane-envisions-tre-white-ascending-to-pre-injury-form/

 

Just wanted to point out there are NO players in the entire  league that are getting younger so not sure that should be held against Hyde and Poyer exclusively that they aren't getting younger.

 

  I am going on record now... 

 

no player ever will be getting younger, that includes past present and all future players. I'm pretty certain that I won't be wrong on this.

Edited September 5, 2023 by AuntieEm

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

If that is the case, then why did they use a #1 pick two years ago on a CB?  😉

Because we only had one unproven corner when we drafted Elam that wasn’t Tre, and Tre was still out with a torn ACL.  It was by far the biggest hole on the team on draft night and Elam was the only player left on Beanes board with a first round grade with our late pick.  

[Augie]

3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

There are people in 3rd world southeast Asian countries that don't get to see Josh Allen make incredible plays, Sean McDermott clap and Matt Milano cracking ribs with his shoulder.....don't take it for granted what you have.  It could be worse, you could be cheering for your village to beat another village with a 1981 Adidas soccer ball half covered in duct tape playing on a mud field without a dome. 

 

I can’t believe they have to survive without a dome……

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

I've suffered from preseason worries about our secondary.  On paper, we look great.  But our three stars - White, Hyde, Poyer - all had injury issues last year.  And the two safeties aren't getting younger.  

 

And last season, Tre just didn't look the same after coming back from his ACL.  Beane recently said this:

 

"I think Tre’Davious is in a really good spot.  You can just see it when you talk to him. He’s confident. You know, the D.A. was a tough deal for him. Was his first major injury. And, you know, not an easy one to come back from, you know, when you’ve never dealt with that. And he’s in a great headspace. He’s really confident. And I see a guy who’s ascending and getting himself back to the Tre that he was pre-injury.”

 

I like the first part of the quote but when Beane says he's "ascending" and "getting himself back," I began to worry again.  

 

Is Tre really in a "good spot" or is he still "getting himself back?"  

 

www.whec.com/sports-news/brandon-beane-envisions-tre-white-ascending-to-pre-injury-form/

 

Over the last 3 seasons we have the number 1 pass defense in the NFL allowing just 200 yards per game.  And that is with Hyde missing most of last year and Tre getting hurt in 2021 and then playing only part of a season last year where he wasn't the same player.  As far as Tre goes, all reports have been pretty positive on how Tre has looked and seems poised to be much improved than he was last season.  

 

And now we have real quality depth at CB too with Dane, Elam, and Benford.  

 

At safety, Poyer was playing at an elite level last we saw him, so no reason to doubt his level of play.  And Hyde is back and didn't take much wear and tear last year after missing most the season with the neck issue.  Plus we also have Rapp who is a good player in himself again giving us depth at safety.

 

So I see no reason why the leagues best pass defense over the past 3 years won't still be amongst the best again this season.

 

 

 

 

[bigK14094]

5 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

I expect Tre to be a top 10 CB this season. 

Expectations of performance are fun.   But, actual performance is tbd!

[BarleyNY]

1 minute ago, bigK14094 said:

Expectations of performance are fun.   But, actual performance is tbd!

Obviously. But the question was whether or not we think Tre is back to form. Based on what I saw late last season I expect him to be. Pretty simple. 

[Not at the table Karlos]

5 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Obviously. But the question was whether or not we think Tre is back to form. Based on what I saw late last season I expect him to be. Pretty simple. 

Curious what you saw. He looked slow and tentative to me. 

[Chaos]

28 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Over the last 3 seasons we have the number 1 pass defense in the NFL allowing just 200 yards per game.  And that is with Hyde missing most of last year and Tre getting hurt in 2021 and then playing only part of a season last year where he wasn't the same player.  As far as Tre goes, all reports have been pretty positive on how Tre has looked and seems poised to be much improved than he was last season.  

 

And now we have real quality depth at CB too with Dane, Elam, and Benford.  

 

At safety, Poyer was playing at an elite level last we saw him, so no reason to doubt his level of play.  And Hyde is back and didn't take much wear and tear last year after missing most the season with the neck issue.  Plus we also have Rapp who is a good player in himself again giving us depth at safety.

 

So I see no reason why the leagues best pass defense over the past 3 years won't still be amongst the best again this season.

 

 

 

 

Adding Bill O’Brien to Pats, and Aaron Rodgers to the Jets and a season long healthy Tua seems to make the Bills job much harder 

[FilthyBeast]

4 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

He was elite in 2019. His guy was targeted 90 times that year. He allowed a 43 passer rating with 6 picks. First team all pro.  Not much worse in his rookie year or 2020.

 

he looked like a shell of himself last year. Hoping he rebounds like Revis did from the knee, otherwise he’s a very expensive middling corner that will need to be cut or traded the first out they have. 
 

 

 

This might be his last year in Buffalo regardless, along with many other vets that this team will be moving on from in the offseason which makes it that much more critical to try and get to/win a SB this year even though it's going to be a much more difficult task than recent years past.

 

[ChrisWatson#21]

He was very good in 2017-2018 and elite in 2019.  IIRC that was the season he didn't allow a TD reception.  Those years Marcia was still in the division so you can't use the "weak QB play in division" to discredit him.  Maybe a move to FS is in the future if he can't get back to his former self because of his high football IQ.

[Kwai San]

5 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

I'm not sure White will ever be back to his pre injury form but even if so he was always a bit on the overrated side.

 

If he can't return to that form or anything close to it this is likely his last season in Buffalo anyway given expectations this roster is going to look vastly different next year given pending cap situation.

Put Down The Pipe Of Paranoia!!!!

[BarleyNY]

35 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Curious what you saw. He looked slow and tentative to me. 

That’s a fair question. I agree that he never got anywhere close to the old Tre last season, but he did seem to be improving. By now he should be healthy and over the mental hurdles. The remaining question is whether he is back 100% physically. I have heard (Marino on Locked On Bills) that he looks great, but I haven’t seen it myself. So there’s some hope built into my prediction.