Bills restructure Taron Johnson and Ryan Bates- create 4.5M cap space

[NewEra]

10 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

@NewEra is the new @YoloinOhio

Awe hellllll naw!!! 🤣 

[Tuco]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

I think Beane has to find an additional $11.7-$14.2M cap by 4 pm today for

-Von Miller on PUP ($7.94M)

-4 guys on IR ($2.46)

-whatever agreement the Bills made with Nyheim Hines on NFI (that's the wiggle room - $0.8M to $3.5M)

 

I'm not exactly sure where we're going to find that, but it's clear that some more moves have to be coming.

 

Including moves that, as you say, we would probably be wiser not to make.  But that's where we are.

 

 

Bills have 4 guys on IR.  Shorter, Spector on "eligible to return".  Doyle, Davidson on season-ending.

Those guys already counted. Contrary to popular belief it's not just the top 51 contracts during the offseason. It's the top 51 plus the PUP, IR and NFI guys.

[JoeF]

[Simon Says]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

Yup, GM's like to have "x" amount of space just in case and likely had those in his back pocket earmarked for that purpose while doing other signings.

These 2 restructures will barely keep them under the salary cap.

Don't expect Beane to go out and sign a significant free agent.

If he really wants a particular player, he might have a couple more contracts to rework but it's financially risky. 

[Tuco]

57 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

IR only counts half usually right?

It all counts. The difference is some of the players have split contracts that call for paying them less (usually about half) if they wind up on IR. This is usually the guys with smaller contracts. It depends on if it's in their contract or not. Looking at our IR list you can see Tommy Doyle is still getting his $1+ mil while the other guys are all down around a half-million.

 

 

[Simon Says]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

IR only counts half usually right?

Half? I've never heard that.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

For someone who is better versed than me on this…is this kind of like when Jerome Powell burns through the money printers and then we pay for it later? 

[warrior9]

2 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

Every player that can be restructured, should be restructured.  I never understood what GMs don't understand about the roll over of cap.  The restructure would make the future cap hit higher, including the dead cap.  If you rolled over the cap that was created in the restructure, then it had no impact on the overall cap space.  However, it gives you flexibility throughout the year if you need to use it in an emergency.

Man, you really have no clue on the true nuances of football, huh? 

 

Do you "actually read contracts, not just look at stats?" This is a GOD AWFUL take and couldnt be more from the truth. Do you think you know more about the roll over of that cap over acting NFL GMs? 

[Mr. WEO]

Now they can afford to sign a 3rd string QB!!

[boyst]

14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Now they can afford to sign a 3rd string QB!!

Petertime!

[ColoradoBills]

21 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

Man, you really have no clue on the true nuances of football, huh? 

 

Do you "actually read contracts, not just look at stats?" This is a GOD AWFUL take and couldnt be more from the truth. Do you think you know more about the roll over of that cap over acting NFL GMs? 

 

You'll never convince certain fans that there is a risk with restructures.  They don't see it.

 

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, Tuco said:

Those guys already counted. Contrary to popular belief it's not just the top 51 contracts during the offseason. It's the top 51 plus the PUP, IR and NFI guys.

53 not 51.....51 is used during the offseason.

[RobbRiddick]

Finally we can sign Mario Williams 

[Matt_In_NH]

13 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

You'll never convince certain fans that there is a risk with restructures.  They don't see it.

 

 Same ones that think "there is no cap".   Agree about this risk thing, fans dont understand or care to understand they just want all the players that come across twitter.   

[Mr. WEO]

15 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

Finally we can sign Mario Williams 

 

he's still chasing that ring...

[Conlan58]

3 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Why would we do that?

Because I picked him up in fantasy and think he would do well as RB2! 

[Big Turk]

3 hours ago, Herb Nightly said:

Half? I've never heard that.

 

most low round and bottom roster contracts have clauses that when a player is on IR he only gets about half his salary.  It's pretty much standard amounts in the CBA and unless specifically agreed to otherwise, they don't get higher than that. Not sure how that works on the cap tho...do those players still get their full cap cost counted?

3 hours ago, Tuco said:

It all counts. The difference is some of the players have split contracts that call for paying them less (usually about half) if they wind up on IR. This is usually the guys with smaller contracts. It depends on if it's in their contract or not. Looking at our IR list you can see Tommy Doyle is still getting his $1+ mil while the other guys are all down around a half-million.

 

 

 

does it still count fully on the cap for split contracts?

Edited September 5, 2023 by Big Turk

[Back2Buff]

3 hours ago, warrior9 said:

Man, you really have no clue on the true nuances of football, huh? 

 

Do you "actually read contracts, not just look at stats?" This is a GOD AWFUL take and couldnt be more from the truth. Do you think you know more about the roll over of that cap over acting NFL GMs? 

 

I'm not sure what you aren't understanding.  The Bills did it last year in Dec with Tre White.

 

They created 2.3 million in cap space, and then rolled over 2.2 in cap space to this year.

 

So let me help you with the math:

 

2022: Additional space 2.3

2023: Tre White counts ~-2 million more on cap.

2023: Cap space roll over: +2.2 million.

 

Net impact in 2023: close to zero.

 

Some people dont understand basic math and concepts.  There is a reason why so many people become millionaires of understand finance. 

[ColoradoBills]

7 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

most low round and bottom roster contracts have clauses that when a player is on IR he only gets about half his salary.  It's pretty much standard and unless specifically agreed to otherwise, they don't get higher than that. Not sure how that works on the cap tho...do those players still get their full cap cost counted?

 

does it still count fully on the cap for split contracts?

 

No.  It's a cap hit of whatever that "discount" comes to.  To clarify for some who want to know.

 

All vested veterans (4 years or more) get all their money on IR/PUP.  All is counted against the cap.

For the playing under their rookie contracts, it's a bit of a sliding scale as to what round and how many years they have as to

their pay and cap hit and if they made the 53 roster.  Doyle had his salary reduced last year on IR (like Shorter) but not this year.

For the UDFA and Reserve/Future contract guys, it's more a fixed percentage.  The cap hit is reduced the same amount.

 

To complicate things more, even veterans like Barkley do not get all the money due him because of the "injury settlement".

The way that worked, with his arm injury being so short, he just got his guaranteed money, and that money was moved from IR bucket

to the dead money bucket.  Injury settlements come from the team and the only thing that players can have a say about it is

if they "dispute" number of weeks.  Barkley is already an UFA and can sign with any team.  There is a period of time he would have to wait

to re-sign with the Bills.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

So far in this thread I've seen someone push for Kareem Hunt and another for Mike Evans. We only have enough money for one and I vote for Mike Hunt.