Bills restructure Taron Johnson and Ryan Bates- create 4.5M cap space

[NewEra]

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/bills-restructure-contracts-of-ryan-bates-and-taron-johnson
 

Imo, most likely just to have some wiggle room “just in case”.  
 

edit: but apparently it was done to fit the PS guys under the cap

Edited September 5, 2023 by NewEra

[cle23]

Wiggle room, and if it's not used, they can roll over to next year.  Cleveland opened up like $20-$25M in the last couple weeks, and the only logical reason would be to roll it over for next year and offset the huge Watson number a bit.

[drummernut74]

Hopkins!!! 🤣🤣🤣

[Conlan58]

Kareem Hunt? 

[Back2Buff]

Every player that can be restructured, should be restructured.  I never understood what GMs don't understand about the roll over of cap.  The restructure would make the future cap hit higher, including the dead cap.  If you rolled over the cap that was created in the restructure, then it had no impact on the overall cap space.  However, it gives you flexibility throughout the year if you need to use it in an emergency.

[Beck Water]

56 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

Every player that can be restructured, should be restructured.  I never understood what GMs don't understand about the roll over of cap.  The restructure would make the future cap hit higher, including the dead cap.  If you rolled over the cap that was created in the restructure, then it had no impact on the overall cap space.  However, it gives you flexibility throughout the year if you need to use it in an emergency.

 

Do you understand what restructuring actually does?

 

Because, not wanting to sound condescending, from the above written, I'm not entirely sure that you do

Look at Tre White as an example:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/tredavious-white-21768/

 

Beane's strategy of only restructuring when he actually needs the cap space is correct.  Restructuring every player that can be restructured, is how you wind up with either a bunch of players who may no longer be playing up to their contract (not to say that will be Tre White, but it could be) OR a year with massive amounts of dead cap hit.

 

Worse, you can wind up with massive cap hits - for players who are no longer even under contract!  Here's another example to look at, Dion Dawkins.  What would restructing Dion do to 2025?
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/dion-dawkins-21805/

 

Here's another example of that, from another player who was restructured:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/micah-hyde-12440/

This is Micah Hyde's last year under contract.  Next year, we will have a cap charge of $3.4M for Hyde - while he is not under  contract to us!

There's a reason Beane and other GMs have referred to it as "kicking the can down the road"

Edited September 5, 2023 by Beck Water

[GETTOTHE50]

CHRIS JONES COME ON DOWNNNNN 

[No_Matter_What]

28 minutes ago, NewEra said:

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/bills-restructure-contracts-of-ryan-bates-and-taron-johnson
 

Imo, most likely just to have some wiggle room “just in case”.  

 

26 minutes ago, cle23 said:

Wiggle room, and if it's not used, they can roll over to next year.  Cleveland opened up like $20-$25M in the last couple weeks, and the only logical reason would be to roll it over for next year and offset the huge Watson number a bit.

This is NOT a wiggle room. This had to be done in order to get under that cap. As far as I remember today is the deadline when 53man roster and PS players kick in.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/

 

We were $1.5 under the cap (top 51), which means $80k (aka zero) under the cap for 53man roster. After that, we need to fit PS players under the cap, which is another $4.2M.

 

So this just makes room for PS players.

Edited September 5, 2023 by No_Matter_What

[NewEra]

20 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

Every player that can be restructured, should be restructured.  I never understood what GMs don't understand about the roll over of cap.  The restructure would make the future cap hit higher, including the dead cap.  If you rolled over the cap that was created in the restructure, then it had no impact on the overall cap space.  However, it gives you flexibility throughout the year if you need to use it in an emergency.

Another epically bad, yet expected take

[Bangarang]

23 minutes ago, Conlan58 said:

Kareem Hunt? 

Why would we do that?

[Beck Water]

10 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

 

This is NOT a wiggle room. This had to be done in order to get under that cap. As far as I remember today is the deadline when 53man roster and PS players kick in.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/

 

We were $1.5 under the cap (top 51), which means $80k (aka zero) under the cap for 53man roster. After that, we need to fit PS players under the cap, which is another $4.2.

 

So this just makes room for PS players.

 

This.  In fact, Beane is going to need to clear up some more cap somehow, because (for example) if a practice squad player is elevated, we need to pay him

 

If we need to sign an injury replacement, we need to pay him.

 

In fact I THINK Beane needs to make more moves, because I don't think IR, PUP, and NFI (depending upon what was negotiated) are counted in the cap that is currently calculated on sites like Spotrac, and they need to be accounted for. 

 

We may be seeing Beane restructure some guys he would rather not.

Edited September 5, 2023 by Beck Water

[Matt_In_NH]

28 minutes ago, cle23 said:

Wiggle room, and if it's not used, they can roll over to next year.  Cleveland opened up like $20-$25M in the last couple weeks, and the only logical reason would be to roll it over for next year and offset the huge Watson number a bit.

They need it for in season IR, PS and the fact there are 55 guys on the 53 already (2 on IR).

Edited September 5, 2023 by Matt_In_NH

[BuffaloBillyG]

With quite a few options on who they could have restructured I believe they got it right. I wouldn't want them kicking the can down the road on either Dawkins or White this year.

[Big Turk]

33 minutes ago, NewEra said:

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/bills-restructure-contracts-of-ryan-bates-and-taron-johnson
 

Imo, most likely just to have some wiggle room “just in case”.  

 

Yup, GM's like to have "x" amount of space just in case and likely had those in his back pocket earmarked for that purpose while doing other signings.

[Beck Water]

13 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

With quite a few options on who they could have restructured I believe they got it right. I wouldn't want them kicking the can down the road on either Dawkins or White this year.

 

I think Beane has to find an additional $11.7-$14.2M cap by 4 pm today for

-Von Miller on PUP ($7.94M)

-4 guys on IR ($2.46)

-whatever agreement the Bills made with Nyheim Hines on NFI (that's the wiggle room - $0.8M to $3.5M)

 

I'm not exactly sure where we're going to find that, but it's clear that some more moves have to be coming.

 

Including moves that, as you say, we would probably be wiser not to make.  But that's where we are.

 

15 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

They need it for in season IR, PS and the fact there are 55 guys on the 53 already (2 on IR).

 

Bills have 4 guys on IR.  Shorter, Spector on "eligible to return".  Doyle, Davidson on season-ending.

Edited September 5, 2023 by Beck Water

[BarleyNY]

26 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

 

This is NOT a wiggle room. This had to be done in order to get under that cap. As far as I remember today is the deadline when 53man roster and PS players kick in.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/

 

We were $1.5 under the cap (top 51), which means $80k (aka zero) under the cap for 53man roster. After that, we need to fit PS players under the cap, which is another $4.2M.

 

So this just makes room for PS players.

 

Correct. PS gets added today so the move was necessary to be cap compliant. I expect one more restructure to make room for regular in season transactions - call ups, IR replacements, etc. Almost certainly that’ll be Tre White or Dawkins. 

Edited September 5, 2023 by BarleyNY

[Beck Water]

12 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Yup, GM's like to have "x" amount of space just in case and likely had those in his back pocket earmarked for that purpose while doing other signings.

 

You're correct that GM's like to have X amount of space just in case, but Beane is still working on just getting under the cap.

[No_Matter_What]

5 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I think Beane has to find an additional $11.7-$14.2M cap by 4 pm today for

-Von Miller on PUP ($7.94M)

-4 guys on IR ($2.46)

-whatever agreement the Bills made with Nyheim Hines on NFI (that's the wiggle room - $0.8M to $3.5M)

 

I'm not exactly sure where we're going to find that, but it's clear that some more moves have to be coming.

 

Including moves that, as you say, we would probably be wiser not to make.  But that's where we are.

 

 

Bills have 4 guys on IR.  Shorter, Spector on "eligible to return".  Doyle, Davidson on season-ending.

I don't think bolded is correct. All those cap hits are already accunted for.

 

I think he needs to create maybe $2M more for some small in season moves, when someone goes for short term IR and is replaced on the roster etc.

Edited September 5, 2023 by No_Matter_What

[Beck Water]

Just now, BarleyNY said:

Correct. PS gets added today so the move was necessary to be cap compliant. I expect one more restructure to make room for regular in season transactions - call ups, IR replacements, etc. Almost certainly that’ll be Tre White or Dawkins. 

 

I think you're missing PUP, IR and NFI.  As far as I know they must all fit under the cap by 4 pm today.

[BarleyNY]

6 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I think Beane has to find an additional $11.7-$14.2M cap by 4 pm today for

-Von Miller on PUP ($7.94M)

-4 guys on IR ($2.46)

-whatever agreement the Bills made with Nyheim Hines on NFI (that's the wiggle room - $0.8M to $3.5M)

 

I'm not exactly sure where we're going to find that, but it's clear that some more moves have to be coming.

 

PUP, NFI and IR players count toward the cap.

Edited September 5, 2023 by BarleyNY