Why Are We Not Winning Superbowls?

[BuffaninSarasota]

18 minutes ago, SoMAn said:

I guess if there’s a dissenting opinion it’s now considered ‘trolling’ by some. Well, may as well just close the board down if there’s no room for debate. 

ok…now, I can’t say you’re wrong to question it. Brady was super competitive and is generally acknowledged to be a guy who studied the game like his life depended on it, dissected every opponent, and had a diet and exercise regiment that would extend his career. He lived to win championships. He made few public appearances doing golf, baseball games, or anything other than family events. Few players are that dedicated. 
Is Josh that dedicated? I don’t know. Maybe. But he does seem to make time for podcasts, lots of golf, etc. - things we rarely witnessed with Brady. 

It is slightly curious that Josh admits to not being a big film guy. His rationale being (paraphrasing) that he doesn’t want to get locked into a player’s tendencies only to find they’ve changed it up on game day.  If that works for him, ok.  We’ll see. I just hope he has similar obsessive desire as Brady to win a championship. 

The majority of posters in this thread are of the sentiment the OP is not “dissenting opinion” because the initial premise was a steaming pile of sh*t spouted by Whitlock, then bastardized into some weird non sequitur with Brady. 

 

Whitlock - the same clown who had to apologize to Diggs on Twitter. Consider the source and how stupid this has become.

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

There’s nothing wrong with valid criticism of Allen. This topic is not even close to being valid, so please stop with the unqualified oversimplification.

Please stop with not understanding sarcasm

[ProcessTruster]

Single elimination tournament.  Anything can happen in a single elim. tourney.   One bad day/bunch of guys out/etc /etc.  you lose and your out.   

 

As Steve Tasker says, you need to play well on THAT day (ie the day of a tournament game). 

 

You can be the best in the league statistically , but if you don't win on that day against that team, you are out.  

 

NFL playoffs are kind of a "made for TV ratings " bull#### format where the best team can easily not win the title.   

 

Regular season standings should count for a heck of a lot more but they don't in the American sports leagues

 

 

[RiotAct]

3 hours ago, Araiza Curse said:

Why, it’s an honest discussion. Seriously, Brady wasn’t athletic at all compared to Josh, and yet he still managed to win the big games. Why? Was it because he put in more time on the field to learn the ins and outs? 

because his organization cheated a ton, and weren’t ungodly cursed like the Bills are.  And their coaching staff didn’t have a propensity to s*** all over themselves in big situations.

[BuffaninSarasota]

9 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Please stop with not understanding sarcasm

Wasn’t aware you were trying to be sarcastic. Carry on.

Edited September 2, 2023 by BuffaninSarasota
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[Augie]

I think the Universe is speaking to us. We have some REALLY sucky fans and their karma is holding us back. 

[34-78-83]

Between the ears my a$$. Josh rated up there with Drew Bees and Joe Burrow on intelligence testing coming into the league. 
 

As much as we all think we know answers that people who spend 80-100 hours per week dissecting this sport for a living don’t, it ain’t the case.

 

Even being the best team in the league, sometimes by a lot, is no guarantee of even making it to a Super Bowl. It has happened many times to many teams.

 

And yes, Marino was still the best QB I’ve ever seen. 0 Super Bowl wins.

 

 

[TheBrownBear]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

Negativity and criticism has a place on the board. To bash it often is counter productive to stimulating and valid debates back and forth. 

 

However, a criticism or positive needs to be reinforced with some legitimate reasoning, facts, stats, and opinions.  I feel the original poster has failed to meet this threshold. 

 

Just my two cents 

I agree. I'm all for critique of Josh, but this is just pure conjecture based off what is almost certainly a lie pulled from Jason Whitlock's ass.  It's equivalent to gossip.

[JDubya76]

INteresting thread

[PatsFanNH]

1 hour ago, Never NEVER Give-up said:

. . . . and Joe Montana just said Marino, and not Brady, was the greatest QB ever!

That’s because he could never ever say a Michigan QB was better than him a ND QB. Lol 

 

that said this topic is dumb.. so many great QBs never win a SB. Some never even make the dance.

[PromoTheRobot]

We don't win Super Bowls because we've had more bad seasons than good. We've only been championship level three times in our history.

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, Araiza Curse said:

Then what is it? Brady never really had elite receiving options. Mahomes lost Hill and still put up elite numbers. If we lost Diggs would Allen still put up elite numbers? I’m not exactly sure. 

Dan Marino issue is that he had a terrible team, that organization was bad at giving him elite talent. If the Bills had Marino, they likely win 1 or 2 Super Bowl over Kelly. Marino never had a Smith, Reed, or Thomas and other all pros. 

Then what is IT?  Let me spell it out for you.  There is no IT.  Period. There’s more than IT.  You’re talking about 3 seasons of not winning the Super Bowl and are under the assumption that we didn’t win one because of IT.  
 

I’m not going to waste anymore time repeating myself in such a stupid line of discussion. 
 

There isn’t one reason.  There are reasons and then there is also the word everyone hates to use but exists and can have a huge impact on a teams season.  Luck.  
 

have fun, I’m out

[Success]

48 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

Between the ears my a$$. Josh rated up there with Drew Bees and Joe Burrow on intelligence testing coming into the league. 
 

As much as we all think we know answers that people who spend 80-100 hours per week dissecting this sport for a living don’t, it ain’t the case.

 

Even being the best team in the league, sometimes by a lot, is no guarantee of even making it to a Super Bowl. It has happened many times to many teams.

 

And yes, Marino was still the best QB I’ve ever seen. 0 Super Bowl wins.

 

 

 

Marino is a good cautionary tale.  Those teams were always poorly constructed - they put more emphasis on weapons for the great QB, instead of building the trenches and shoring up the D.

 

And I agree - he was the best, imo.  Football is the ultimate team game - SB wins aren't really much of a measure, as logical as that seems to be. Most fans go by that, but so many things go into winning a SB.

 

 

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:

You started off with the first post implyinh that if Josh studied more film , he would be as good as Brady and have already won Superbowls. That in itself was a shallow post devoid of much thought. Then when challenged, you kept moving the goal posts bouncing from lack of WR to MCD's coaching. At this point you are just flailing too stay afloat when people are calling you out for your lack of details and sound logic.

 

In my 20+ years on this board, I haven't said this to many posters but I am going to channel the erstwhile DC Tom in me and say -you are an idiot

🍻 

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

Timing and circumstance, combined with one colossal blunder. It’s really that simple. Pat Mahomes is in the AFC ( in no small part thanks to McDermott). That’s not all though. Andy Reid coaches Mahomes’ team and is the best play designer/OC in football, bar none. They have an uncoverable TE to boot. The Bills had a very injured team by last seasons end. They had a huge coaching blunder in the waning moments of a playoff game vs KC that they had in the bag. These things have conspired to keep the Bills out of the big game, where I think they would have beaten two of the last 3 NFC representatives. 

[Bangarang]

When did Allen say he wasn’t big into game film?

[Dr.Sack]

Very simple Beane has had average drafts from 2019-2022. That ‘curse’ seems to have ended in 2023 with the first 3 picks all looking like solid contributors. Then there is the McDermott/Frazier mistake. Allen practically Brady’d his way through KC in 2021 playoffs only to be let down by poor coaching and a coin toss. 
 

If anything Allen has helped cover up the flaws of Beane & McDermott/Frazier. No way the Bills pile up a 37-9 regular season record since 2020 without the brilliance of Allen. 

[nedboy7]

There is an Araiza Curse?  Or does someone need attention?

[GerstAusGosheim]

Because Sean is not HIM.

 

He overruled the squibb kick Heath Farwell called.

 

Then, took over the defense from Leslie in the final :13 seconds and completely blew it.

 

That was our best chance in 30 years.

 

 

[SoTier]

42 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Marino is a good cautionary tale.  Those teams were always poorly constructed - they put more emphasis on weapons for the great QB, instead of building the trenches and shoring up the D.

 

And I agree - he was the best, imo.  Football is the ultimate team game - SB wins aren't really much of a measure, as logical as that seems to be. Most fans go by that, but so many things go into winning a

 

 

 

Exactly!   For the record, three backup QBs led their teams to SB victories: Earl Morrall (Baltimore Colts, SB V), Jeff Hostetler (SB XXV), and Nick Foles (SB LII).  There have also been several QBs who'd best be described as "journeymen" or "average" who took their teams to SB wins, including Mark Rypien( SB XXVI) and Trent Dilfer (SB XXXV).