Why Are We Not Winning Superbowls?

[The Wiz]

33 minutes ago, Araiza Curse said:

So then why doesn’t Allen sit down with Beane and tell him that? Maybe we should prioritize a  1B WR. 

And beane will do what? Pull a 1B WR out of his hat that:

wants to come to Buffalo

Fit into the salary cap

 

The problem hasn't been the outside.  It's been between the numbers. Beasley made Allen's life easy (the same way Kelce, gronk and Edelman made it easy for mahomes and Brady).

 

He didn't have that last year because McKenzie didn't pan out in the role so the middle of the field was knox(who always had to stay in and be an extra blocker since the line sucked) or a rookie RB that ran the routes wrong a quarter of the time.

 

I think with Kincaid, Harty and sherfield he will have that extra option for the easy stuff that the other two QBs live off of.

[PatsFanNH]

1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Matt Stafford was a loser that put up stats for his entire career minus one.  Was he only not lazy in 1 year?

Not a good example… the Lions were/are a dysfunctional organization.   I like the Marino comparison.. hmm does that make Shula a lesser coach since he never won a SB with Marino? Lol

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 hour ago, Araiza Curse said:

I want to spin this off from the Josh is lazy thread, and really debate this at face value. Let’s look at other QBs and their “work ethic” “talent abilities” and compare them to get a better idea of why. Let’s start with Tom Brady. 

 

Everyone here knows that Tom Brady is one of the least athletic QBs and yet he always had solid statistics and always knew where to place the ball. 

 

Everyone here knows that Josh Allen is one of the most athletic QBs. 

 

Josh has admitted he isn’t big into game film. But the more you dig into what it takes to be great, the more concerning that seems to be. How is it that Tom Brady can win so many super bowls with lower tier athleticism and arm strength and yet Josh Allen with his superior skill set has been unable to win even 1 Super Bowl? 

 

Tom Brady never really had a true #1 WR for an extended period of time outside of Moss, and yet he still always managed to keep the chains moving and put up points enough to win games. 

Josh Allen has had a true #1 WR for an extended period of time Diggs, and yet still unable to get over the hump. 

 

So I think questions around Allen’s “laziness” is warranted. Why should an elite talented QB be struggling more than a non elite talented QB?  

 

The only real difference is football IQ and studying the game to the point were you can attack and become a master despite not having elite traits. 

 

 

Maybe I’m wrong in this thinking, and others can chime in. But things do seem to not add up. 

Brady came into a defense-run heavy league with an elite Patriots defense that for the first 3 Super Bowls kept opponents at -20 points per game. 
 

For awhile the brain trust in New England stayed ahead of the curve in trading players before they declined, finding hungry veterans, waiting for stupid teams to give away their talent for nickels, and drafting. 
 

But Brady was disciplined, and possessed the top two things for a QB: decision making and accuracy.  
 

He could read a defense, and pivoted to a structured diet. He found a personal trainer and stayed with him year over year until the end of his career.

 
His lack of arm strength is a misnomer, he improved his arm within the league. 
 

Brady was internally motivated to prove everyone wrong. 
 

Allen is coordinated, he can jump, run, better than a QB of similar size, say a Herbert. 
 

Beane talked about how in college his completion percentage looked worse than it was because he only threw 20-22 times per game, so 2-3 completions swung the percentage.

 

Starting in 2019, he got better line play and calmed his game down, making more throws to the middle of the field. He seemed to work with Jordan Palmer and improve throwing mechanics.

 

The Bills FO has done a good job of pairing Allen with veteran Head Coach and Offensive Coordinator, there is a lot of stability.

 

When it comes to laziness, Josh is not Brady or Manning in preparation, but I do think he does more than Roethlisberger who pundits in Pittsburgh said doing a yoga class was his idea of conditioning, or Jay Cutler who said he didn’t need to be in good shape because he’s a QB.

 

Brady was competitive, smart, accurate, had great pocket awareness, and just took 7 yards underneath. As time went on, he saw every defense created and learned how to defeat it. 

 

Allen has frame and coordination, and because of the arm is a playmaker. But he plays in an era where the Chiefs got the Michael Jordan of the era, and there is a slew of young QBs in the pack who have all had the same passing camps since they were 12 years old. 

 

The Bills have a good Head Coach and a good GM, but the margins are extremely thin now, and this is why I’ve said the Bills need every trick in the book to win one.

 

Because the Bills have struggled to build a dominant offensive line, or get another elite WR, that talent gap to Mahomes has not been closed enough. The Bills need more.

 

Eventually the Chiefs will lose Kelce to age and they’re not going to win every Super Bowl, but Josh’s fitness is one lever that I don’t think has been maximized. 
 

 

[machine gun kelly]

2 hours ago, Warcodered said:

I don't know if anyone knows this, but winning the Super Bowl is like really hard. I think only one team does it each year.

 

But seriously did someone pump the board full of hallucinogens and not tell me?

War, you kill me.  I’m sipping on a Mikes lemonade, read your post, and it came out my nose I laughed so hard.  Yes, some troll posters are taking some serious shrooms.,  Apparently, Aaron dark retreat Rodgers isn’t the only one who likes meditating to peyote.

[Scott7975]

57 minutes ago, Araiza Curse said:

Is criticism against the CoC? 

 

No but trying to push an agenda and trolling is.

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, Araiza Curse said:

 

I do not think Kelly was smart enough. You could argue he didn’t have the elite attributes either. 

 

Allen has a cannon, he is extremely athletic. He seems smart enough. So the really only other thing that could make me think why we haven’t won a Super Bowl is because he doesn’t want it enough in the film room to be the surgeon needed to win. 

He should of blown harder for Norwood's kick to sway left.  Come on man.  We could've easily won a Super Bowl with Kelly and we can with Allen.  

[Scott7975]

6 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Not a good example… the Lions were/are a dysfunctional organization.   I like the Marino comparison.. hmm does that make Shula a lesser coach since he never won a SB with Marino? Lol

 

But that would be moving the goal posts.  That was not the premise of the OP.  The Marino comparison is also a good one though.

Edited September 2, 2023 by Scott7975

[BuffaninSarasota]

2 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

The first rule of bills mafia: “there shall be no criticism of  Josh Allen”

There’s nothing wrong with valid criticism of Allen. This topic is not even close to being valid, so please stop with the unqualified oversimplification.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

When did Josh say say he wasn’t big into game film?

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/kurt-warner-s-film-breakdown-of-how-josh-allen-preys-upon-the-littlest-mistakes-
 

 

You can’t do with without studying film. 

[TheBrownBear]

This conversation about Josh's work ethic must be the dumbest f****** IeatCrayonz-worthy s*** I've ever read on this forum. 

 

Proof of Josh's work ethic = 40 regular and postseason wins over the past three seasons, top 3 QBR over last three seasons, 148 combined passing/running TDs over last three seasons (including playoffs).

 

Arguments against = playoff losses to Chiefs and Bengals and Jason Whitlock's imagination.

[Kenosha2Buffalo]

He never said he doesn't watch film or is against it. Jesus Christ people 

[BuffaninSarasota]

This thread is a glaring indictment of the Twitter “sports journalism” culture. Whitlock pimps some utter trash (grasping at straws for clicks) and the OP runs with it (to our detriment)

[TheBrownBear]

Also, I hope it has been pointed out already, but if it hasn't, Josh absolutely dominated Kansas City in the last three games against them. Yes, he played poorly against the bengals, but so did the entire team.

[TampaBillsJunkie]

2 hours ago, BillzFreak said:

So how come Dan Marino never won a championship then?

Laces out!

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBear said:

Also, I hope it has been pointed out already, but if it hasn't, Josh absolutely dominated Kansas City in the last three games against them. Yes, he played poorly against the bengals, but so did the entire team.

Agreed.

 

Two hurdles, 4 TDs in one game, the dime throw to Knox, the conversion from his end zone to Gabe. 
 

He’s been ice cold killer against the Chiefs. 

[TheBrownBear]

Finally, do you guys even remember what Josh looked like in college and during his first half season with the bills? That player absolutely flames out of the NFL within 3 years if not for superior work ethic and study of the game and position.

[SoMAn]

2 hours ago, Araiza Curse said:

Why, it’s an honest discussion. Seriously, Brady wasn’t athletic at all compared to Josh, and yet he still managed to win the big games. Why? Was it because he put in more time on the field to learn the ins and outs? 

I guess if there’s a dissenting opinion it’s now considered ‘trolling’ by some. Well, may as well just close the board down if there’s no room for debate. 

ok…now, I can’t say you’re wrong to question it. Brady was super competitive and is generally acknowledged to be a guy who studied the game like his life depended on it, dissected every opponent, and had a diet and exercise regiment that would extend his career. He lived to win championships. He made few public appearances doing golf, baseball games, or anything other than family events. Few players are that dedicated. 
Is Josh that dedicated? I don’t know. Maybe. But he does seem to make time for podcasts, lots of golf, etc. - things we rarely witnessed with Brady. 

It is slightly curious that Josh admits to not being a big film guy. His rationale being (paraphrasing) that he doesn’t want to get locked into a player’s tendencies only to find they’ve changed it up on game day.  If that works for him, ok.  We’ll see. I just hope he has similar obsessive desire as Brady to win a championship. 

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, Nihilarian said:

Good lord, will this negative crap ever stop? Go post on the board of the team you really root for and leave this one alone. 

 

 

Negativity and criticism has a place on the board. To bash it often is counter productive to stimulating and valid debates back and forth. 

 

However, a criticism or positive needs to be reinforced with some legitimate reasoning, facts, stats, and opinions.  I feel the original poster has failed to meet this threshold. 

 

Just my two cents 

[Never NEVER Give-up]

3 hours ago, BillzFreak said:

So how come Dan Marino never won a championship then?

. . . . and Joe Montana just said Marino, and not Brady, was the greatest QB ever!

[Success]

Cancer Man.