Nattering nabobs of negativism

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Wait so you seeing mahommes at Coachella confirms Allen works harder than any other nfl player in the off season?? 

 

you’re bonkers man. You have no idea what these guys do all off season. Allen got his mechanics mapped and decided to change them and works out with some other scrub QBs for a few weeks in the summer on the beach in Cali. How that makes him the hardest working player in the off season is just homerist mythology 

So you say you have no idea what players do in the off-season, then proceed to discuss and criticize what Allen does in the off-season.  Thanks for verifying what I put in the opening post.

1 minute ago, k2mountain said:

Regarding Josh.. he improved tremendously under the tutelage of Jordan Palmer. I'm not aware that he does the Palmer training anymore in the off-season. Bummer. I think it would help him even further.

 

Also, congrats on your advanced age. We lost Jimmy Buffet today at the early age of 76. Is your estate planned? I'm doing mine now.

I’m good thanks!

[4th&long]

You can’t get upset about it. I just read some posts on message boards and think yup now I know who is jumping thru tables. 

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, 4th&long said:

You can’t get upset about it. I just read some posts on message boards and think yup now I know who is jumping thru tables. 

Not upset.  I just can’t understand the motivation

[billsintaiwan]

6 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

I struggle to understand this fan base sometimes.  Many seem to actively search for ways to downplay the team’s fortunes and/or denigrate specific players, management and such.  Examples include:

 

1.  Ragging on for years on Edmunds, then as soon as he leaves in free agency ragging on Beane for not resigning or replacing him.

 

2.  Ragging on Beane for not having a veteran guy behind Brown at RT,  then ragging on him because the guy he got retired (as if Beane should be Nostradamus) then ragging on getting Ifedi as if we were going to get an All Pro.

 

There are many such examples.  But the last 24 hours or so have taken the cake, because who are we negative on now?  Josh Allen.  And why?  Mainly because of two articles from the gasbag known as Jason Whitlock, the first of which he said was a lie, then the second of which he claims Josh doesn’t work hard enough and it’s supposedly well known.  Throw in an interview with MacAfee where Josh specifically states he watches a lot of film but qualifies what he takes from it, and all of a sudden it’s Josh that is why the Bills haven’t won a Lombardi.  It’s Josh who drinks too much (one incident with Kyle Allen), Josh who doesn’t work out, Josh who doesn’t spend enough time on football in the off-season (put your TV on and measure in minutes how long till you see Mahomes in a commercial).  Or Josh impregnating waitresses, which no reputable news source has validated.

 

All this leads me to ask:  what the hell is wrong with some people around here?  I am not saying Josh can’t improve.  He needs to continue learning to take the short routes, get the ball out quicker, etc.  but to claim he is now somehow the problem, that it’s his work ethic, that as one person said here that they don’t like Josh personally  as if he actually has ever met the guy?  Come on.

 

I have thought for quite a long time there are folks on this board that really want the Bills to lose so they can somehow crow on a message board that they were right.  I think some of the stuff we’re seeing is some bizarre defense mechanism people throw up as a guard should the Bills not win it all.  
 

Me?  I’ve been a fan since 1960 when I was 5 years old.  I will do as I’ve always done, enter the season with optimism and then see how things go.  Offer praise when merited as well as criticism when merited.  But to actively seek out reasons for negativism, even to the point of believing nonsensical crap to do so?  I don’t get it.

 

 

I never wanted to thiNk if Spiro Agnew ever again. But you make fair points.

[Warcodered]

16 minutes ago, k2mountain said:

Regarding Josh.. he improved tremendously under the tutelage of Jordan Palmer. I'm not aware that he does the Palmer training anymore in the off-season. Bummer. I think it would help him even further.

 

Also, congrats on your advanced age. We lost Jimmy Buffet today at the early age of 76. Is your estate planned? I'm doing mine now.

He does still work with Palmer, the fact that he doesn't put up giant billboards describing his offseason routine doesn't mean he isn't doing anything. 

[4th&long]

8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Not upset.  I just can’t understand the motivation

I agree. You just have to consider the source. I have been fighting it on another message board. It’s a waste of time. I got to the point I told people I’m not there to change their mind, I don’t want them to change who they are. You know when the bills do good they will be cheering saying I told you so.

[oldmanfan]

13 minutes ago, billsintaiwan said:

I never wanted to thiNk if Spiro Agnew ever again. But you make fair points.

My apologies

[4th&long]

I don’t get the negativity this time of year either? This should be the time for optimism. Everyone is healthy they made some nice additions. And most of all Fraizer is gone! 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Wait so you seeing mahommes at Coachella confirms Allen works harder than any other nfl player in the off season?? 

 

you’re bonkers man. You have no idea what these guys do all off season. Allen got his mechanics mapped and decided to change them and works out with some other scrub QBs for a few weeks in the summer on the beach in Cali. How that makes him the hardest working player in the off season is just homerist mythology 

He’s done a lot more than that.  But make up what ever narrative you want which is clearly your objective 

[Marcus Aurelius]

2 hours ago, Dan Darragh said:

I thought I was the only one who recognized that quote. 

 

Most of the people on this board weren't born when Spiro Agnew was around, and in a lot of cases neither were their parents.

 

Props to the OP for dredging up that quote!

Most of the people on this board can't write their own names in cursive😎

[K-9]

19 minutes ago, Marcus Aurelius said:

Most of the people on this board can't write their own names in cursive😎

[Alphadawg7]

We are living in the real world version of the movie "Idiocracy" 

[ToGoGo]

7 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Here is the dumbest part about all of this...

 

Since Josh has entered the league, there is not a single QB, maybe player, that has put as much work in during the offseason as Josh has to elevate his game fix his weaknesses.  Its a CRITICAL part as to why he has been a unicorn in coming in so raw and rising to such an elite level.

 

Then after one of the most emotionally draining seasons for any team that I can ever remember starting with Matt Araiza, the death of Luke Knox, grocery store massacre, multiple blizzards and deaths, and then Hamlin...not to mention an elbow injury his missed ZERO SNAPS for that would have sidelined just about every other QB in the league at least 4-6 weeks...he takes some time to heal the mind, heart, and body this offseason...which by the way included the separation of his long time girlfriend as well.  

 

Its utterly insane the criticism he is getting right now.  Bills have the #1 offense in the NFL in scoring the past 3 seasons and why, because of Allen.  Suddenly the media and shockingly even fans here are suddenly trying VERY hard to turn on him and make him the problem.  And for what?  Because he drunk with a teammate on an off day?  Because he said he watches a lot of film but doesn't want to over watch and get locked into a way D plays knowing they will play him and the Bills different?  Because he played some golf during an offseason when he needed to clear the mind and rest?  Its utterly insane because look around the NFL, that is what most players did this offseason, even all the greats.  

 

This kid leaves it all out on the field every week, puts it all on the line on EVERY play. 

He prioritzes the fans and goes WAY out of his way to sign, meet, greet, and take pics.

Josh is heavily involved in the community and giving back.

You will never not find him with a smile and positive attitude.  

He is a model citizen, player, and human by all accounts who is dedicated to his craft and teammates.  

 

He deserves better than the BS treatment he is getting in the media, and he sure as heck deserves a lot better from the unappreciative base here.  These are the times where the board comes unbearable to be honest.  Josh has given us fans all kinds of access to him talking, having fun, joking, etc with all these interviews and podcasts...and some people just circle like vultures to validate negative feelings and look for sound bites for confirmation bias.  I wouldn't be surprised if Josh said f-it I am not doing anymore of these because of the people just looking to use it against him.  

 

There are people on this board who don't deserve to watch this team or Allen.  Not saying the good posters who had some reasonable comments, questions, or concerns.  But the ones trying to over exaggerate every negative story on the team, Diggs, Allen, or whatever just to sew their all the time negative view point.  

 

Some personalities like to destroy. Even the good things. They do it in their personal lives as well. 
 

I think that’s the type of people these fans are. They subconsciously want it all torn down again. They are never happy. After we win a SB they will start nitpicking and want it all torn down again. And again and again. 
 

NYC is like this to a much higher degree. Just waiting for Jeter to trip up so they can eat him alive. Wilson is the most recent sacrifice and they are just itching for the Rodgers comeback turned washed up story already prepped in the oven. 

[1st&ten]

@oldmanfanWell if your board name is accurate were you able to read any of the stuff on here & Buffalo Bills com when they had a website after our super bowl runs in the 90's---things could get pretty brutal.

[oldmanfan]

4 minutes ago, 1st&ten said:

@oldmanfanWell if your board name is accurate were you able to read any of the stuff on here & Buffalo Bills com when they had a website after our super bowl runs in the 90's---things could get pretty brutal.

Oh yeah

[Beck Water]

8 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

And if you can't listen to Allen describe his lack of working out, especially when it comes from his own mouth, then you have no objectivity either. 

 

Please tell us where Allen described his lack of working out. 

 

I had a little look around at Kyle Brandt's Basement from this off-season and can not find such a thing.

 

Thanks.

[HappyCat]

8 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I believe that for a lot of the consistently negative poster it comes down to a couple things.

 

1. I think it's fair to say more times then not roster moves tend to gravitate to either not working out well or being a minor improvement NFL wide. That goes for draft picks and FA signings. Statistically if you pan every move you will be right more times and can thus crow about how smart they are. And there is absolutely zero accountability for when they are wrong. Let's say someone like Harty goes off this year and has a monster season. All they have to do is say "Boy, fellas I've never been happier to be wrong." and then go on to the next move to pan.

 

2. I think a lot of people that are ultra negative also do so to protect their own feelings/emotions/outlooks. Lower expectations so they are mentally prepared for the worst when and if it happens. I see that with a lot of people that appear to lean way too much of their own personal happiness into team success.

I believe #2 is quite accurate.  In Bills history the WORST has happened so many times since the AFL-NFL merger.  We don't want the Bills to be better or competitive.  We want a Super Bowl win to clear our minds and cleanse our souls.

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, k2mountain said:

Regarding Josh.. he improved tremendously under the tutelage of Jordan Palmer. I'm not aware that he does the Palmer training anymore in the off-season. Bummer. I think it would help him even further.

 

Also, congrats on your advanced age. We lost Jimmy Buffet today at the early age of 76. Is your estate planned? I'm doing mine now.

 

Hi.

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/one-bills-live-jordan-palmer-on-working-with-josh-and-kyle-allen

 

Palmer talks about working with Josh Allen (not as long duration as he used to, due to playing in January and needing time for physical and mental recovery) and using the video they generate to coach him on mechanics Mon-Tues during the season.

 

Now I put this up on another thread and folks all interpreted it "oh, I thought they danced around if he works with Jordan" or truncated it "oh he only worked with him for a couple weeks" but neither of those viewpoints appear to me to be supported by the actual interview.

 

As far as Josh really improving, that seemed to come when Chris Hess of Biometric (at Palmer's arrangement) mapped his throwing motion in the 2020 off season.  That helped Josh identify that he was actually not using his lower body in his throwing, and he re-worked his throwing motion.  He discussed still doing this on his interview with Pat McAfee

Edited September 3, 2023 by Beck Water

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

3 hours ago, k2mountain said:

Is your estate planned? I'm doing mine now.

"If I can't take it with me, I ain't going!"

*
So opined the chief parts inspector at a previous employer of mine.  I don't know which comedian he stole the line from, but he was wrong. 😁

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

He’s done a lot more than that.  But make up what ever narrative you want which is clearly your objective 

challenging homer myths isn’t inventing narratives.