AuntieEm Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 3 hours ago, oldmanfan said: I struggle to understand this fan base sometimes. Many seem to actively search for ways to downplay the team’s fortunes and/or denigrate specific players, management and such. Examples include: 1. Ragging on for years on Edmunds, then as soon as he leaves in free agency ragging on Beane for not resigning or replacing him. 2. Ragging on Beane for not having a veteran guy behind Brown at RT, then ragging on him because the guy he got retired (as if Beane should be Nostradamus) then ragging on getting Ifedi as if we were going to get an All Pro. There are many such examples. But the last 24 hours or so have taken the cake, because who are we negative on now? Josh Allen. And why? Mainly because of two articles from the gasbag known as Jason Whitlock, the first of which he said was a lie, then the second of which he claims Josh doesn’t work hard enough and it’s supposedly well known. Throw in an interview with MacAfee where Josh specifically states he watches a lot of film but qualifies what he takes from it, and all of a sudden it’s Josh that is why the Bills haven’t won a Lombardi. It’s Josh who drinks too much (one incident with Kyle Allen), Josh who doesn’t work out, Josh who doesn’t spend enough time on football in the off-season (put your TV on and measure in minutes how long till you see Mahomes in a commercial). Or Josh impregnating waitresses, which no reputable news source has validated. All this leads me to ask: what the hell is wrong with some people around here? I am not saying Josh can’t improve. He needs to continue learning to take the short routes, get the ball out quicker, etc. but to claim he is now somehow the problem, that it’s his work ethic, that as one person said here that they don’t like Josh personally as if he actually has ever met the guy? Come on. I have thought for quite a long time there are folks on this board that really want the Bills to lose so they can somehow crow on a message board that they were right. I think some of the stuff we’re seeing is some bizarre defense mechanism people throw up as a guard should the Bills not win it all. Me? I’ve been a fan since 1960 when I was 5 years old. I will do as I’ve always done, enter the season with optimism and then see how things go. Offer praise when merited as well as criticism when merited. But to actively seek out reasons for negativism, even to the point of believing nonsensical crap to do so? I don’t get it. Myself I root for the Buffalo Bills my hometown team. If they ever do win the Lombardi it will not make be root for them more as I only get the satisfaction of seeing the players achieve their goal. I'll have enjoyed all the plays up to whatever point they att a in in post season. I want them to succeed and I like when media says they can't yet they do.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juno999 Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 2 hours ago, jkeerie said: In truth, where the Bills have been picking, the value hasn't been there late in the first round for O line help. First round talent on the o line is usually gone in the first 10 to 12 picks. Value may not have necessarily been there. I didn't look back at who was available at the time when the Bills were on the clock. They appear to finally have some quality guards with Torrence and McGovern starting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, juno999 said: Value may not have necessarily been there. I didn't look back at who was available at the time when the Bills were on the clock. They appear to finally have some quality guards with Torrence and McGovern starting. And that's the whole point when it comes to drafting for the oline. Top Tackles are drafted very high in the first round. IOL are devalued and usually start coming off the board in the second round. I was thrilled that Torrence lasted as long as he did as he was ranked as a late first round talent. Beane always drafts for value, although we question why certain players are valued as high as they are by the Bills...particularly in the 3rd round. I'm neither a scout nor a GM, so who am I to question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 8 minutes ago, Araiza Curse said: This place is nothing but a happy shinny people music video Bills addition. You can’t even be critical without calls for banning or being placed on ignore. From what I’ve seen, I’m not sold on Allen being the hardest worker in the QB world. Relying on talent only gets you so far, and it’s partially why we haven’t won a super bowl. To be the best, you have to want it more than anyone else. very reasonable take. Allen is amazing, but he’s not carving up defenses with his presnap reads, he’s reacting on impulse and athleticism making jaw dropping velocity throws and agile escapes. If he had the pre play recognition a little tighter, it might have made the few more difference making plays to get to the top. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 2, 2023 Author Share Posted September 2, 2023 14 minutes ago, Araiza Curse said: This place is nothing but a happy shinny people music video Bills addition. You can’t even be critical without calls for banning or being placed on ignore. From what I’ve seen, I’m not sold on Allen being the hardest worker in the QB world. Relying on talent only gets you so far, and it’s partially why we haven’t won a super bowl. To be the best, you have to want it more than anyone else. This is absolute utter horse crap. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: This is absolute utter horse crap. But he knows this based upon what he has seen. I don’t know how you get more solid than THAT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 2 hours ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: Yeah if you don't have Sc__tt L_w on ignore already I can't help you. Ar_ _za C_ _se is another one to add like I've already done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 3 hours ago, oldmanfan said: I struggle to understand this fan base sometimes. 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: I am not a fan of other teams. I am sure the same thing happens with other teams. Why is that important? It's important because you struggle to understand things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 2, 2023 Author Share Posted September 2, 2023 Just now, QCity said: It's important because you struggle to understand things? If I was a Chiefs fan and people were constantly negative I would struggle to understand that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: If I was a Chiefs fan and people were constantly negative I would struggle to understand that too. If all you see on this forum is constant negativity the problem is with you unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: If I was a Chiefs fan and people were constantly negative I would struggle to understand that too. The Chiefs win Super-bowls and have the best QB on the planet so maybe that breeds less negativity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 2, 2023 Author Share Posted September 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, QCity said: If all you see on this forum is constant negativity the problem is with you unfortunately. Not constant, but irrational to be sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Someone should start a thread to complain about the "blither idiots of fan negativism" who start threads like this one. I enjoyed the contrived argument that the same people who complained about Edmunds are also the one's blaming Beane for not re-signing him............that was a really out-of-the-box take. I KNEW that the OP wouldn't sit well with you. 😁😁😁 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Just now, Bill from NYC said: I KNEW that the OP wouldn't sit well with you. 😁😁😁 I think the fan haters like @oldmanfanare just showing their anxiety about the upcoming season with these contrived takes..............there is by no means an abundance of negativity from the fans about the team. They are getting less love from the national media and when that gets discussed and when there isn't universal outrage about that on TSW the doddering douchebags for whom national public opinion matters interpret that as "negativism". The reality is that the Bills are the second favorite in the AFC by the largely objective betting public. And favored to win on the road against the hyped Jets. Plenty of positivity about the team going into the season..........at least as much as the Chiefs or Eagles had going into last season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 2, 2023 Author Share Posted September 2, 2023 Just now, BADOLBILZ said: I think the fan haters like @oldmanfanare just showing their anxiety about the upcoming season with these contrived takes..............there is by no means an abundance of negativity from the fans about the team. They are getting less love from the national media and when that gets discussed and when there isn't universal outrage about that on TSW the doddering douchebags for whom national public opinion matters interpret that as "negativism". The reality is that the Bills are the second favorite in the AFC by the largely objective betting public. And favored to win on the road against the hyped Jets. Plenty of positivity about the team going into the season..........at least as much as the Chiefs or Eagles had going into last season. No. When people choose to believe rumor mongers like Whitlock and criticize Allen because of it, that is absurd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: what gives you the right to judge how people want to be fans? Some folks are inherently negative and clearly it harms you, some folks consider perpetual optimism in the face of insufficient results equally annoying. Some are critical. Some times those critiques are antithetical. it’s all part of being a fan base. Take it or leave it, you aren’t changing it. Nor should it change. Great post! On any fan message board there will certainly be fans that dwell mostly on the negative. And as you say, the other extreme is equally (if not slightly more) annoying. The problem with both of these extremes imo it it often renders posters like this incapable of an original thought. There are still posters who think that the Jason Peters trade was good. A few might even think that Donte Whitner was a good draft pick. It's all good. In the end we are all Bills fans and we deal with the pleasure and the pain in our own ways. Edited September 2, 2023 by Bill from NYC 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: I think the fan haters like @oldmanfanare just showing their anxiety about the upcoming season with these contrived takes..............there is by no means an abundance of negativity from the fans about the team. They are getting less love from the national media and when that gets discussed and when there isn't universal outrage about that on TSW the doddering douchebags for whom national public opinion matters interpret that as "negativism". The reality is that the Bills are the second favorite in the AFC by the largely objective betting public. And favored to win on the road against the hyped Jets. Plenty of positivity about the team going into the season..........at least as much as the Chiefs or Eagles had going into last season. I have been critical of dumb moves over the years but that does NOT make me less of a fan. I bet the Bills to win the Super Bowl this season and I think it is quite possible with a break or two! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: how do you know this? Not saying he didn’t do stuff with mapping his throwing mechanics and working with Palmer like Kyle and Darnold. but he’s the hardest working player in the entire NFL off season now?? 😆 I stand by what I said. Find me another QB who spent as much time fixing his deficiencies from the second he stepped off the college football field for the last time. Just find me one that has put more time and work into elevating his craft outside the season. Josh's offseason commitment has been well documented, and all of a sudden he takes one to recharge his body and mind this year, something all the top QB's do most seasons, and all of a sudden its like Josh's work he has put in has been completely forgotten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: I stand by what I said. Find me another QB who spent as much time fixing his deficiencies from the second he stepped off the college football field for the last time. Just find me one that has put more time and work into elevating his craft outside the season. Josh's offseason commitment has been well documented, and all of a sudden he takes one to recharge his body and mind this year, something all the top QB's do most seasons, and all of a sudden its like Josh's work he has put in has been completely forgotten. You're not grasping the cerebral core of the opposing argument. We haven't won a Super bowl. It must mean Josh is coasting. He's got a Hollywood girlfriend, after all, and he plays golf. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I stand by what I said. Find me another QB who spent as much time fixing his deficiencies from the second he stepped off the college football field for the last time. Just find me one that has put more time and work into elevating his craft outside the season. Josh's offseason commitment has been well documented, and all of a sudden he takes one to recharge his body and mind this year, something all the top QB's do most seasons, and all of a sudden its like Josh's work he has put in has been completely forgotten. well we know who’s actually hitting the gym at 5:30 am in the summer in between Lombardis. https://www.menshealth.com/entertainment/a31251134/patrick-mahomes-workout/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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