Nattering nabobs of negativism

[78thealltimegreat]

2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

this is exactly a great point..  Objective truth, he played great that game and Mahomes played better.
 

The bills punted 4 times to chiefs 2. If your best player makes a few more plays, and have a bigger lead maybe the rest of the debacle never happens. They were down two scores in the third quarter. Can’t do that vs that chiefs team and expect to win, especially when your defense is holding up. 

Dude stop you’ve been an Allen hater since draft night. The guy is a great QB who you personally don’t approve of I don’t know what Josh ever did to you other then be a model human being for the community and pretty much put this franchise back on the map nationally. As ask any free agent that comes here cause of Josh Allen not because of Bills Mafia see Von Miller who had the exact same deal from  the defending Super Bowl Champion Rams and passed it up to play here. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Dude stop you’ve been an Allen hater since draft night. The guy is a great QB who you personally don’t approve of I don’t know what Josh ever did to you other then be a model human being for the community and pretty much put this franchise back on the map nationally. As ask any free agent that comes here cause of Josh Allen not because of Bills Mafia see Von Miller who had the exact same deal from  the defending Super Bowl Champion Rams and passed it up to play here. 

Absolutely not an Allen hater. He’s great, just hope he improves more. 

[ALG1130]

1 hour ago, Lfod said:

I think they had so many below average years as fans that they are stuck in their ways of just being negative. 

Very true. It's a combination of trolls(fans of other teams pretending to be Bills fans) and fans that don't want nice things, and want to just go back to misery, because it's a more comfortable place to be.

[dock581]

1 hour ago, Lfod said:

I think they had so many below average years as fans that they are stuck in their ways of just being negative. 

As someone who has been a fan for 75 years since my first Bills disappointment in 1948 I can say that continual disappointment doesn’t always lead to permanent negativity. I think that it is just human nature with all it’s variability that leads to differing reactions to situations. The spectrum extends from those who always know better (in hindsight) to those who never disagree with the majority view and maintain they and their viewpoint are never wrong despite reality staring them in the face. I think most of us are somewhere in the middle and  we vary from  being positive or negative depending on a whole host of factors ranging from their childhood experiences to whether their wife was in a good mood last night. In the end, most of us here are Bills fans regardless of the prism through which we view our team.

[transplantbillsfan]

On 9/3/2023 at 4:14 AM, Dopey said:

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Pegula outbidding Bon Jovi and Trump is the reason we’re not going anywhere. We would be in Toronto if Bon Jovi had the team and Donald would have gone to the highest bidder. 
To the second bold part:
Everyone else is fair game, but hands off of Allen?

What a joke. 

 

You heard the part of Buffalo needing a new stadium a few years ago, right? 

 

Ya think a team extending a 17 year playoff drought to 20+ and beyond with a mediocre QB is getting the public backing for funding?

 

Nice name

[Peace Frog]

8 hours ago, dock581 said:

As someone who has been a fan for 75 years since my first Bills disappointment in 1948 I can say that continual disappointment doesn’t always lead to permanent negativity. I think that it is just human nature with all it’s variability that leads to differing reactions to situations. The spectrum extends from those who always know better (in hindsight) to those who never disagree with the majority view and maintain they and their viewpoint are never wrong despite reality staring them in the face. I think most of us are somewhere in the middle and  we vary from  being positive or negative depending on a whole host of factors ranging from their childhood experiences to whether their wife was in a good mood last night. In the end, most of us here are Bills fans regardless of the prism through which we view our team.

So you're what, 87 years old?

[PBF81]

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Nattering nabobs of negativism

 

To be contrasted with the Pestering Pooh-bahs of Positivity?  

 

 

 

 

[John from Riverside]

10 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Absolutely not an Allen hater. He’s great, just hope he improves more. 

If he did not improve an inch more than he is right now, you should be bloody thankful that you have him anyway

9 hours ago, dock581 said:

As someone who has been a fan for 75 years since my first Bills disappointment in 1948 I can say that continual disappointment doesn’t always lead to permanent negativity. I think that it is just human nature with all it’s variability that leads to differing reactions to situations. The spectrum extends from those who always know better (in hindsight) to those who never disagree with the majority view and maintain they and their viewpoint are never wrong despite reality staring them in the face. I think most of us are somewhere in the middle and  we vary from  being positive or negative depending on a whole host of factors ranging from their childhood experiences to whether their wife was in a good mood last night. In the end, most of us here are Bills fans regardless of the prism through which we view our team.

Hey, Pa Pau

 

Did they teach you to use paragraphs back whenever you were hunting T Rex?

[Lfod]

12 hours ago, dock581 said:

As someone who has been a fan for 75 years since my first Bills disappointment in 1948 I can say that continual disappointment doesn’t always lead to permanent negativity. I think that it is just human nature with all it’s variability that leads to differing reactions to situations. The spectrum extends from those who always know better (in hindsight) to those who never disagree with the majority view and maintain they and their viewpoint are never wrong despite reality staring them in the face. I think most of us are somewhere in the middle and  we vary from  being positive or negative depending on a whole host of factors ranging from their childhood experiences to whether their wife was in a good mood last night. In the end, most of us here are Bills fans regardless of the prism through which we view our team.

 

I was just throwing out a theory on the people who seem to lean more twords the extreme negativity. I know for sure that some fans are very thirsty for a SB win and anything less is failure. My observation is that they seem to be more negative than what is normal. It could be the sting of those 4 SB losses the team is known for. 

 

As fans of the sport I expect we all have our praises and criticisms of our team. I always respect a fair and balanced approach and for this forum that seems to be the norm and the hot takes are more of an outlier.

 

I think we have a good team. I would rather be slotted a notch below the Chiefs and Bengals compared to what it used to be. 

 

I feel like there is enough to be positive about so sometimes I don't understand why people sometimes so angry. 

 

Edited September 5, 2023 by Lfod

[RJ (not THAT RJ)]

It's the eternal situation--many people think being critical shows how smart they are, and think that positivity is somehow dumb.

 

Those binaries are of course silly. That people apply them to the toy department of life is even sillier. 

 

Enjoy the games, my Bills brethren. The world is awful but hope is beautiful. Choose hope.

 

Go Bills!

[Dopey]

7 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

You heard the part of Buffalo needing a new stadium a few years ago, right? 

 

Ya think a team extending a 17 year playoff drought to 20+ and beyond with a mediocre QB is getting the public backing for funding?

 

Nice name

You heard the part where the Bills ended the drought BEFORE Allen arrived? Yes, it happened. Check it out. You must be part of that “Allen is God” group. The Bills were here before Allen was born and will be here after he dies. He’s not more important than the franchise. No matter what your cult thinks. 
Every once in awhile, someone brings up the screen name. Usually when trying to be a smart ass.But yes, it is a nice name. Thanks!  

[dock581]

8 hours ago, Peace Frog said:

So you're what, 87 years old?

your math is correct

[ngbills]

What if we did not rag on Edmunds but ragged on the fact there was no post Edmunds plan? What if the Jets run for 300 yards against us are we not supposed to say would have been nice to have a MLB. 

What if ragged on not addressing RT in the draft or someone not named Quessenberry, Shell or Ifedi? What if Brown gives up 5 sacks in the first half and Allen is injured, are we not supposed to say would have been nice to address RT. 

[Dopey]

23 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

I can see you don’t read.  Criticism is one thing.  We are all critical at times of what the team does.  But being negative just for the sake of being negative is different.  The Edmunds example was used because some of the same people wanting Edmunds gone are now the same people saying we haven’t replaced him adequately.  That is bizarre.  And the stuff about believing junk from Whitlock about Josh not working hard enough when that author admitted making things up about Diggs - why would some use that to attack Allen?

 

Be a fan however you want.  My question is simple, and it’s one that no one has answered.  Why?  What satisfaction does one gain as a fan by being persistently negative to the point that one seeks out reasons to be negative, regardless of whether such reasons have any validity?

How about the people that wrote " we're fine, it's addition by subtraction"? I haven't checked but am wondering if they are part of that group complaining about not replacing Edmunds. 

[oldmanfan]

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

What if we did not rag on Edmunds but ragged on the fact there was no post Edmunds plan? What if the Jets run for 300 yards against us are we not supposed to say would have been nice to have a MLB. 

What if ragged on not addressing RT in the draft or someone not named Quessenberry, Shell or Ifedi? What if Brown gives up 5 sacks in the first half and Allen is injured, are we not supposed to say would have been nice to address RT. 

Then you criticize.  But I presume you know the adage about assuming.  And there was a post Edmunds plan; you just didn’t like it.

[GoBills808]

Shouldn't it be negativity

[LabattBlue]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Shouldn't it be negativity

Stop being so negative. 😂

[vincec]

I wonder if the OP sees any irony in the title of this post? It was a phrase coined former VP Agnew to mock the media for criticism and negative coverage of himself and the Nixon administration. Ironically, it turns out that the criticism was mostly warranted since both he and Nixon were criminals. Now it is being used to mock fans who are critical of the Bills…

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, vincec said:

I wonder if the OP sees any irony in the title of this post? It was a phrase coined former VP Agnew to mock the media for criticism and negative coverage of himself and the Nixon administration. Ironically, it turns out that the criticism was mostly warranted since both he and Nixon were criminals. Now it is being used to mock fans who are critical of the Bills…

I already made this point!

[DrPJax]

4 hours ago, vincec said:

I wonder if the OP sees any irony in the title of this post? It was a phrase coined former VP Agnew to mock the media for criticism and negative coverage of himself and the Nixon administration. Ironically, it turns out that the criticism was mostly warranted since both he and Nixon were criminals. Now it is being used to mock fans who are critical of the Bills…

Hey buddy, good to see you post prior to the season. You are always a very knowledgeable, and realistic fan and i always enjoy you in the shout box.  I was just watching SIMS and FLORIOS podcast about their final predictions of the AFC EAST. 

 

     Surprisingly, BOTH PREDICTED THE BILLS to finish THIRD OR FOURTH  in the division. Sims has always been extremely pro ALLEN.  BOTH stated they see turmoil on the team based on DIGGS and the poor preseason play.  They cited the entire divisions very difficult schedule making for a rough year.  However, they both felt the team , by proxy BEANE, has not done enough, especially offensively by not adding other playmakers ( like Hopkins, Cook, despite drafting Kincaid etc.   BTW their words not mine) and again just expect JOSH  to be Superman and overcome talent deficiencies.  They felt both the JETS & FINS have great rosters now. They cited aging players like VON  etc as a weakness that could go either way , but needs addressing. They went as far to say they both expect the BILLS to miss the playoffs and FLORIO barely contained himself from saying the PATS would overtake the BILLLS for third place , but felt he couldn’t go that far to formally say that. 

 

        Florio did say if the BILLS miss the playoffs, he expects big and sweeping changes in the organization. They really feel the PROCESS/ BEANE have dropped the ball and so far missed the SB window during this time, implying they have not won it all with a great franchise QB unlike the success the chiefs and even the success the Bengals have had (my summary from their prior feelings about Mahomes/burrows.  Again, should the BILLS strugggle , they believe changes WILL happen. This is a big change from prior years, esp for SIMS, but he really sees them as not making the playoffs. 

 

     Having followed the BILLS since ‘63 , i watched them do poorly in the preseason LEVY years, then do well. Mcd is not like LEVY, he usually expects good effort /performances , yet i never felt the preseason  mattered greatly to him, but still more than it meant to Levy. However , coming off last season where  despite wins, IMHO there were big issues developing and it culminated with CINCY.  The Steelers preseason game was abysmal , the last preseason game the first team O looked ok but against a very developing BEARS team.

      Something just feels different when guys like SIMS, who is pretty tied in and knowledgeable , is pointing out it feels like this front office just doesn’t get it with needing to provide proven offensive talent around JOSH.  Predicting his BOY BLUE to miss them playoffs is a big change.   I think it comes down to Dorsey’s development, and JOSH finally proving he can take the int/turnover issue seriously and be willing to take short open throws ( which i am not convinced he will ever accept as a premise based on his past years of missing very open short routes)    If they perform offensively similarly to the final part of last year, those bad predictions could very well come true. 

 

     Just wondered what you thought; are you surprised someone like SIMS and Florio think the beane /mcd team could be in trouble, despite extensions, with a missed playoff season?  Surprised they see the roster with some very significant weaknesses ( have to admit I’m not sure Von. White ,Hyde, poyer are still the same game changers they were), esp compared to the jets/fins ?  

     I’m really not sure what to expect , but i do feel mcd is coaching for his BILLS future. Should they have any gaffs like 13 sec again ( 10 players for first play in Pitt is a red flag for a vet coach /staff imo with 12 penalties as well), an owner cant  keep wasting a talent like ALLEN, and missing the playoffs should be a changing point. I thought McD could be a TOMLIN like coach , but you have to get there at least and win one sometime or that is a mute comparison. 

 

      I think we will get an indication pretty quickly. This team was mentally out of the Cincy game and unfortunately , this franchise has never won a Lombardi, and they have experienced blowing games in the playoffs where  they had leads and looked to be in control. IMO, they need to prove mentally they are past last years collapse. It seems concerning that insiders ( I WAS REALLY SHOCKED SIMS PICKED THEM 3RD in division) are actually stating there is something not right , some  behind the scene real issues holding this team back. It’s speculation/opinion, but is very pervasive this year.  When you see younger coaches of the EAGLES/ BENGALs having achieved further team goals than mcd/beane , it’s a fair question if they have a philosophy that could actually bring a SB to Buffalo. Here’s hoping we somehow pull out a win against the jets to quiet the press.  But , hey , it’s just football , and it’s just good entertainment , not life affecting issues.  More importantly, hoping you are well and you have an enjoyable season watching!