Oh no, poor billionaires losing money.

[Saxum]

58 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

IEventually they'll put the playoffs and Super Bowl on PPV and charge $100, and all games will end up on pay as you go services. In doing so, they'll lose fans like myself, but all things reach a peak then regress and the same is or will happen with the NFL. It has already started to lose me a bit.

 

43 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Not in my lifetime. 

 

NFL is so corrupt that if that was the limiting factor you would find a horse's head in your bed as a warning.

[716]

5 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

 

You can counter with whatever, the reason it exists is for out of towners to watch their team.   Logistically it gets a lot more complicated to have 32 packages vs one.  I bet you think the price would be less?   And no there is a sunday ticket only option.  

30 teams in MLB/NBA each. The team packages cost less than the "all" teams packages. A lot more games as well. I think a lot of were hoping for a team only option once it was announced. Why can't the NFL figure this out is my real question. 

 

I go to 3-4 games a year living in VA, buy merchandise etc. The NFL gets plenty of my money. They don't get to jave all of it. I get to to choose exactly what I want to pay for in those cases. 

 

The technology exist. They could do it if they really wanted to, but they choose not too because they know people will pay for the full packages. Lets rehash this down the road when the NFL finally comes around...which I firmly believe they will. They can have more of my money when that day comes.

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[Matt_In_NH]

1 minute ago, 716 said:

30 teams in MLB/NBA each. The team packages cost less than the "all" teams packages. I think a lot of were hoping for a team only option once it was announced. Why can't the NFL figure this out is my real question. 

 

I go to 3-4 games a year living in VA, buy merchandise etc. The NFL gets plenty of my money. They don't get to jave all of it. I get to to choose exactly what I want to pay for in those cases. 

 

The technology exist. They could do it if they really wanted to, but they choose not too because they know people will pay for the full packages. Lets rehash this down the road when the NFL finally comes around...which I firmly believe they will. They can have more of my money when that day comes.

Mlb and nba games are spread over the days of the week nfl Sunday ticket is two windows.  1pm a and 4pm on Sunday…that’s the difference.  I wish it was cheaper too but dont hold your breath on it getting cheaper even on a single team basis.  

[716]

4 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Mlb and nba games are spread over the days of the week nfl Sunday ticket is two windows.  1pm a and 4pm on Sunday…that’s the difference.  I wish it was cheaper too but dont hold your breath on it getting cheaper even on a single team basis.  

I hear you, but I think it would be impossible for them to justify charging full price for a "team option". I have no idea how it would look, but I feel like it's coming eventually. If they want to nickle and dime back some of that $28B, they'll have too. Again..all just my humble opinion.

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[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, frostbitmic said:

I only watch the games on network TV and ESPN. I haven't bothered with Amazon and haven't missed Thursday night games a bit. I won't pay peacock or you tube either, and I don't stream (my PC is old and too slow to stream anything, and I just don't care enough)

 

Eventually they'll put the playoffs and Super Bowl on PPV and charge $100, and all games will end up on pay as you go services. In doing so, they'll lose fans like myself, but all things reach a peak then regress and the same is or will happen with the NFL. It has already started to lose me a bit.

 

Falling off my soap box.

I do t think they will ever go PPV.   They would lose fans and that would mean less revenue for other revenue steams like merch…it’s a fine line and what they are doing  now is working well.   I don’t think you can stop the streams.  Just like you can’t stop all shoplifting.   Any business has loss.  It’s cat and mouse and the mice have technology on their side right now.  

[Matt_In_NH]

1 minute ago, 716 said:

I hear you, but I think it would be impossible for them to justify charging full price for a "team option". I have no idea how it would look, but I feel like it's coming eventually. If they want to nickle and dime back some of that $28B, they'll have too. Again..all just my humble opinion.

Maybe there is a way to thread the needle of getting more subs at a lower rate generating more revenue than what they have now.   But I am not sure.   I bet they have spent some resources trying to figure it out.   One thing I thought when Google got the ticket is if anyone can help shut down streams it would be google vs the jokers at directv.  

[Dan]

13 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Mlb and nba games are spread over the days of the week nfl Sunday ticket is two windows.  1pm a and 4pm on Sunday…that’s the difference.  I wish it was cheaper too but dont hold your breath on it getting cheaper even on a single team basis.  

Thats completely outdated.  You now have games on Thursday night, Sunday morning (london games), sunday at 1 & 4, Sunday night, and Monday night. And at the end of the year, throw in Saturday games.  
 

To watch them all?  You need 4? (I’ve lost count) different paid packages of some sort.  

[FLFan]

28 minutes ago, 716 said:

I hear you, but I think it would be impossible for them to justify charging full price for a "team option". I have no idea how it would look, but I feel like it's coming eventually. If they want to nickle and dime back some of that $28B, they'll have too. Again..all just my humble opinion.

I doubt that it is coming for whatever the duration of the deal with You Tube is.  The current model is designed to enable the rights holder to drive new subscribers to their service and retain/upsell existing subscribers.  That is the value You Tube is getting in return for their huge financial commitment.  The owners are getting guaranteed revenue. It is identical to the DirecTV model except steaming vs satellite.  I agree with you that the future will look different in all likelihood but they have clearly decided to stay with the safe known quantity for now.  Baby steps. I am sure they will eventually figure out how have all their cake and eat all yours too.  

[Freddie's Dead]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

While we are on the subject... similar but unrelated the contract to show college football on UK TV appears to have run out and not been renewed. Therefore my only way to watch this season is illegally. 

 

Pinch a bi' o' telly?

[Arkady Renko]

20 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

I am repeating myself but…They don’t  care!!!

 

The current system of handing out broadcast rights is making them fistfuls of $$$. No need to fix something that isn’t broke. 

They are able to do this due to a statutory anti-trust exemption that could be removed at any time.  They actually are supposed to have all broadcasting under the Sports Broadcasting Act available OTA but they satisfy this requirement by rebroadcasts only in the home cities.  

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, Dan said:

Thats completely outdated.  You now have games on Thursday night, Sunday morning (london games), sunday at 1 & 4, Sunday night, and Monday night. And at the end of the year, throw in Saturday games.  
 

To watch them all?  You need 4? (I’ve lost count) different paid packages of some sort.  

It is not outdated.  I don’t think you are following the conversation.   The Sunday ticket is for 1pm and 4pm Sunday games only.  

[ColoradoBills]

"Legal" and "Illegal" are only snapshots of what the current technology and "laws" are that govern them.

"Laws" are a tricky thing.  No one can tell me they don't at times benefit those with the most expensive lawyers.

 

Years ago, living in Colorado Springs I could "legally" go to a friend's house who had one of those "big dish" satellite setup and watch

the Bills playing the NY Jets on NBC (I believe back then) feed from NYC.  Then the feeds were scrambled.  Don't see many of those

big dishes anymore, do you.  People spent a lot of money and then the "laws" pulled the rug out from under them.

 

A capitalistic society usually benefits those with the most capital.  Is it "illegal" for my brother to Zoom me the feed from the local Buffalo

CBS channel during a Buffalo Bills game?  The legal answer is no, it does not go against copyright laws.  The vast amount of NFL games

are broadcasted over the air somewhere.  If I had the technology to go get the "free" broadcast, I would do it.  Actually, I can!

 

My buddy has PLEX on his server and it can be used to stream any movies, music, home movies and pictures to anyone he has authorized to 

share that with.  He has about 1,000 movies and all kinds of music.  It's a channel app like any other you can add onto Roku or Firesticks.

When I travel, I take it with me on my Roku and access all this media.

He could upgrade to Plex Pass, for a monthly $4.99 charge for his side only, to capture over the air TV and stream it to all his other devices

AND to anyone who he shares with.  I'm talking to him about testing this with his system first.

 

It's all "legal" under the personal private sharing laws today.  I've been thinking of setting my brother up with a Plex server, so I get all the Buffalo TV broadcasts, thus, Buffalo Bills games, for in essence free once I test it all out at my buddy's house for $4.99.

 

Alls I'm saying, if the NFL got its way, all personal private sharing of any media would become "illegal".  It would "brick" all apps that now allow 

sharing.  I don't think any of us want that.

 

 

 

[Beast]

7 hours ago, Bockeye said:

 Works great until you’re working your a$$ off digging 5 ditches a day, Johnny is digging 1, and Bobby hasn’t dug a single ditch because he’s methed out, yet you all get the same pay at the end of the day. 
 

Is this how we’re identifying the classes?

Poor people = lazy as hell do nothings and idiots with no goals in life?

Rich people = crooked, blood sucking money makers with no morals?

 

This is a very interesting thread to say the least. 
 

Go Bills!

Exactly.

 

I was being sarcastic. Equality equals communism when it comes to $.

[SoMAn]

And the rich get richer.
It’s a shame that the young fans will be priced out of going to games, just using pocket money as we could back in the day.  Even earning less than $10/hr as a late teen/early 20’s, a $16 ticket was affordable. We went to a lot of games. 

(And concerts)

But, it’s capitalism. Supply and Demand. As long as NFL games continue to sell out, prices will keep going up. 

Just thankful that I came of age when large events didn’t cost several days take home wages and was able to experience many great Bills games and just about every big act in rock. 

 

[Mr. WEO]

28 billion??  come on--the entire paid streaming/over the top viewing revenue is under 20 billion last year. 

[PBF81]

On 9/2/2023 at 5:22 AM, 716 said:

I would happily pay for a team only option, and maybe a redzone add on. Until then.....ehhh. Streaming has worked pretty well for me for years. 

 

Yeah, it would be nice for a single team option.  I'd go for that.  They've probably done market research and figured most people buy to watch their team.  

 

I usually find what I need for free.  

 

 

[k2mountain]

OP suffers class envy.

[GoBills808]

On 9/2/2023 at 2:30 AM, Bockeye said:

 Works great until you’re working your a$$ off digging 5 ditches a day, Johnny is digging 1, and Bobby hasn’t dug a single ditch because he’s methed out, yet you all get the same pay at the end of the day. 
 

Is this how we’re identifying the classes?

Poor people = lazy as hell do nothings and idiots with no goals in life?

Rich people = crooked, blood sucking money makers with no morals?

 

This is a very interesting thread to say the least. 
 

Go Bills!

If you asked a hundred people they'd all be worried about the same thing... which ostensibly means everyone would be the good workers and nobody would be lazy😂😂😂

[Saxum]

On 9/2/2023 at 5:31 PM, SoMAn said:

And the rich get richer.
It’s a shame that the young fans will be priced out of going to games, just using pocket money as we could back in the day.  Even earning less than $10/hr as a late teen/early 20’s, a $16 ticket was affordable. We went to a lot of games. 

(And concerts)

But, it’s capitalism. Supply and Demand. As long as NFL games continue to sell out, prices will keep going up. 

Just thankful that I came of age when large events didn’t cost several days take home wages and was able to experience many great Bills games and just about every big act in rock. 

 

My first game was at the Rockpile.  I walked from Blasdell there with one person recognizing me and giving me ride part of way on his way to work.

I paid for game using money I got from collecting cans and bottles and turning them in for deposit.

Actually got ticket from one of the guys at game who talked to a friend and had extra.

I got my ass beaten for not being home in time for dinner but my mother never found out I went to a game.

No way could a kid do that these days

 

[iinii]

On 9/1/2023 at 6:21 PM, BillsShredder83 said:

I understand your angle, I respect you as a poster and as a cool dude.

 

The truth is, governments aren't playing fair, big business would slash our throats if it meant a green arrow next to their stock. Those 2 feed off each other and take, and take and take and take... and now are boo-hooing we have nothing left to take.

 

Honestly it's noble of you to try and stay within the rules, but if the little man is playing by rules the big one doesn't have, eventually they'll pop you like a balloon.

 

Maybe not in your lifetime, or the next, but: inheritances are no longer feasible with inflation. The money you saved up to pass down, maybe even in hopes it could be passed down multiple generations.... it's already taken from you. It's worth fractions of what you earned.

 

And its not just money taken. Your time at work (away from family), was stolen as they keep printing. Your generations life savings- is worthless. You traded your literal life, and your time with your family, and recreation AKA living a human life... and that money is no longer going to reach a 2nd generation. Its a theft of life and legacy.

 

The tooth paste bottle is empty. Its been gone, but they're getting every last drop out of it, even if it's 5 streaming services at $10/pop. 

 

Lord help me I'm sorry, I got too fired up, but I believe it's all true. The rich can enjoy their dirty plaque filled mouths, because they took it all

 

FALL OF ROME is already gaining speed hard

First off it’s Augie. Second Rome is falling and Robin Hood is a sauce for the masses but stealing is stealing. If you are good with theft you have probably never owned a business. Thanks. 

On 9/2/2023 at 1:20 PM, ColoradoBills said:

"Legal" and "Illegal" are only snapshots of what the current technology and "laws" are that govern them.

"Laws" are a tricky thing.  No one can tell me they don't at times benefit those with the most expensive lawyers.

 

Years ago, living in Colorado Springs I could "legally" go to a friend's house who had one of those "big dish" satellite setup and watch

the Bills playing the NY Jets on NBC (I believe back then) feed from NYC.  Then the feeds were scrambled.  Don't see many of those

big dishes anymore, do you.  People spent a lot of money and then the "laws" pulled the rug out from under them.

 

A capitalistic society usually benefits those with the most capital.  Is it "illegal" for my brother to Zoom me the feed from the local Buffalo

CBS channel during a Buffalo Bills game?  The legal answer is no, it does not go against copyright laws.  The vast amount of NFL games

are broadcasted over the air somewhere.  If I had the technology to go get the "free" broadcast, I would do it.  Actually, I can!

 

My buddy has PLEX on his server and it can be used to stream any movies, music, home movies and pictures to anyone he has authorized to 

share that with.  He has about 1,000 movies and all kinds of music.  It's a channel app like any other you can add onto Roku or Firesticks.

When I travel, I take it with me on my Roku and access all this media.

He could upgrade to Plex Pass, for a monthly $4.99 charge for his side only, to capture over the air TV and stream it to all his other devices

AND to anyone who he shares with.  I'm talking to him about testing this with his system first.

 

It's all "legal" under the personal private sharing laws today.  I've been thinking of setting my brother up with a Plex server, so I get all the Buffalo TV broadcasts, thus, Buffalo Bills games, for in essence free once I test it all out at my buddy's house for $4.99.

 

Alls I'm saying, if the NFL got its way, all personal private sharing of any media would become "illegal".  It would "brick" all apps that now allow 

sharing.  I don't think any of us want that.

 

 

 

It’s called the golden rule. He or She who has the most gold makes the rules.