Missed Draft Picks Will Catch Up

[Don Otreply]

Pepe Pepe Pepe,

 

ffs get a grip on yourself, 

[Matt_In_NH]

There are at least flour guys who were in bills camp on other teams 53 right now.   Same thing happened last year.  Allen and Diggs are responsible for those guys having jobs on other teams.  

Edited August 31, 2023 by Matt_In_NH

[PBF81]

2 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

exactly... Sky moore?

Plus great depth , on a legit SB contender.  Not too shabby. 

 

Maybe ppl just miss Buddy Nix! 🙄

 

Depends upon one's perspective.  Most of those players appear to be depth caliber to me with only a few exceptions.  On D it's Oliver and Rousseau, but neither is much above average.  Oliver's great when he's on, but his disappearance acts are concerning and they'll often last several games.  I'd put him at above average but not by much.  

 

There's quite a bit of hope that Rousseau turns into a much better player too.  But after his first few games last season he all but disappeared too.  Half of his stats (Sacks, TFLs, QBHits) are in his first five games.  After that in his next ten games his stats were below-average.  So unless someone uses the lame defense that he was constantly double-teamed thereby opening things up for others nonsense, he was below average after that.  He had 0 Sacks, 0 TFLs, and only 1 QBHit in both playoff games.  

 

Johnson's good as a nickel, but obviously they don't care for him enough to start at CB.  

 

Bernard, Elam ... meh.  

 

Bass, he's a kicker.  

 

Torrence looks the part as does Kincaid who's not listed as a starter.  

 

Cook has yet to prove that he can handle more than 140 touches in college or the NFL.  Big season for him.  

 

Knox is OK but also inconsistent, and his drop % isn't low.  

 

Brown has yet to prove something.  

 

Davis is IMO the best draft pick that we have starting with this year's draft class pending.  Oddly, that's a minority sentiment.  

 

 

[Mango]

20 hours ago, ToGoGo said:

“When will we hold Beane accountable.”

 

”Beane only hit on Allen and Diggs.” 
 

“Beane can’t draft in the 2nd round”. 
 

How is it possible 100 fans on this board suddenly started saying the same thing at the same time? 
 

I swear some people on this board secretly want it all torn down so they don’t have to deal with the pressure of winning and rooting for a winning organization. 

Ive consistently belabored the fact that we have missed too often in the top 100, only to redraft those positions over and over again. 
 

We don’t pay Allen yet ($18M this year)keep redrafting the same positions, and covering it up in FA. It’s why we are negative space with for next year with only 2 DE under contract after drafting 3 in the top 100 in recent years. Which means we’ll draft at least one high again next year.  
 

The Bills aren’t broken. Beane doesn’t need to be fired. But he absolutely has to be better in this aspect or we might be. 

[Success]

Beane had found gems, and had some misses.

 

That's the NFL, and that's the NFL draft.  Any analysis that judges how he has done HAS to be compared to the rest of the league.  The Bills have done pretty well when you add that comparison into the mix - they're one of the better teams in terms of draft success over the past 4-5 years.

 

[JerseyBills]

19 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Depends upon one's perspective.  Most of those players appear to be depth caliber to me with only a few exceptions.  On D it's Oliver and Rousseau, but neither is much above average.  Oliver's great when he's on, but his disappearance acts are concerning and they'll often last several games.  I'd put him at above average but not by much.  

 

There's quite a bit of hope that Rousseau turns into a much better player too.  But after his first few games last season he all but disappeared too.  Half of his stats (Sacks, TFLs, QBHits) are in his first five games.  After that in his next ten games his stats were below-average.  So unless someone uses the lame defense that he was constantly double-teamed thereby opening things up for others nonsense, he was below average after that.  He had 0 Sacks, 0 TFLs, and only 1 QBHit in both playoff games.  

 

Johnson's good as a nickel, but obviously they don't care for him enough to start at CB.  

 

Bernard, Elam ... meh.  

 

Bass, he's a kicker.  

 

Torrence looks the part as does Kincaid who's not listed as a starter.  

 

Cook has yet to prove that he can handle more than 140 touches in college or the NFL.  Big season for him.  

 

Knox is OK but also inconsistent, and his drop % isn't low.  

 

Brown has yet to prove something.  

 

Davis is IMO the best draft pick that we have starting with this year's draft class pending.  Oddly, that's a minority sentiment.  

 

 

i agree with almost everything but in response I'd say he won 3 straight divisions. 3 straight playoff Wins

 

Built a juggernaut out of a terrible-mediocre team.

 

Plus the genius move of using a 1st on Diggs which so many ppl here discredit him for because it was a trade. He has his faults like 31 other GMs butttt his positives far outweigh his negatives imo and I feel like the facts back that up 

 

He built 1 of the best QB/WR duos, which attracts FAs. Give the man his credit!

 

it's so much deeper than talent.  Look at our locker room. Our core guys matches up with any team

Edited August 31, 2023 by JerseyBills

[Billl]

2 hours ago, T master said:

Basham - gone because he showed he may be a good player

Care to show your work on that one?

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, JerseyBills said:

i agree with almost everything but in response I'd say he won 3 straight divisions. 3 straight playoff Wins

 

First of all, I don't recall bringing "he" into it.  But since you did, consider a few alternate opinions. 

 

Was it a tough division during that stretch?   Or would you say that it really hasn't been all that competitive?   Which other QBs in the division have been very good or better consistently?  

 

1 hour ago, JerseyBills said:

Built a juggernaut out of a terrible-mediocre team.  

 

How much does Allen factor into that?  

 

IYO, say Allen was on any number of teams before this one, how would we have been then?  You suggesting he'd only be good for a game or two back then?  

If Allen weren't his QB, how do you see our records?  

 

 

1 hour ago, JerseyBills said:

Plus the genius move of using a 1st on Diggs which so many ppl here discredit him for because it was a trade. He has his faults like 31 other GMs butttt his positives far outweigh his negatives imo and I feel like the facts back that up   

 

Genius?  Anytime a team buys an establshed great player, I'm not sure I'd put that in a genius category.  But opinions obviously differ.  

 

To me genius would have been drafting Jefferson instead at much lower expense for four seasons.   Seems to me he had to sign Diggs because of all the whiffing on getting any great WRs here without buying an established one.  JMO however.  

 

 

1 hour ago, JerseyBills said:

He built 1 of the best QB/WR duos, which attracts FAs. Give the man his credit!  

 

Again, due to Allen.  Only possible because of Allen, nonexistent without him.  

 

Why aren't any of the other drafted positions playing at similar levels at their positions?  

 

 

1 hour ago, JerseyBills said:

it's so much deeper than talent.  Look at our locker room. Our core guys matches up with any team

 

We'll certainly find out if that's the case in his 7th season which starts very soon.  

 

 

[Billl]

1 hour ago, JerseyBills said:

i agree with almost everything but in response I'd say he won 3 straight divisions. 3 straight playoff Wins

 

3 straight playoff wins?  When did that happen?

[T master]

17 hours ago, Billl said:

Care to show your work on that one?

 

His career numbers in just 2 seasons (1 being his rookie year all while learning a completely new NFL defense) included 4.5 sacks, 37 tackles 20 of which were solo, 5 TFL's, 8 QB hits, 1 fumble recovery, 2 passes defensed, & 1 INT .

 

He also recorded 2 of his sacks & 1 pass break up in his 4 post season appearances. So i would say he was setting the world on fire but in a rotational role & 1 of those years being his rookie season Beane could have done a hole lot worse with that pick . 

Edited September 1, 2023 by T master

[Nihilarian]

Just stop with this draft pick stuff...Some Bills fans still can't get over the Donte Whitner pick...

 

Let...it... go... as this team was just 13-3!

 

The Buffalo Bills have one of the very best, if not the best darn QB in the NFL, and some can't stop talking about a missed draft pick in some round.

EVERY TEAM MISSES SOMETIMES! 

 

Guess who moved up in the 2018 draft to select the ONE QB worth anything, Yea, that's right, Brandon Beane.

 

Now, if he has selected Backer Mayfield #1 overall, then complain. If he has selected Sam Darnold #3 overall, then complain. Now, imagine being a NY Jets fan when the team could have drafted Allen, and instead drafted Darnold...then went on to miss on Zach Wilson with the #2 overall in 2021. 

 

IF Beane HAD DRAFTED THE GUY SO MANY BILLS FANS WERE CLAMORING FOR IN JOSH ROSEN. Some don't wanna recall that they wanted Beane to give up the farm to trade up to the #2 spot with the NY Giants to get Rosen. Where is Rosen now?

 

I'll bet that every team in the NFL that drafted before the #7 pick wishes they had drafted Josh Allen. 

 

Anyway, who shives a git about trading away a guy they were gonna outright cut if they couldn't find a trade partner?

 

Just be happy that this team didn't give up 3 #1 picks to trade up to draft Trey Lance! Only to give him away for a 4th. 

[PromoTheRobot]

On 8/30/2023 at 4:08 PM, PepeSilvia said:

Boogie a 2nd round draft pick being traded for a late round draft pick is just another one of Beane’s whiffs.

 

Josh Allen and Stefan Diggs cover up so much for this team and it’s going to be more and more apparent how much next year when Josh’s contract kicks in and you can’t pay free agents to make up for your draft whiffs

 

2022 (No. 25 overall): Kaiir Elam -   can’t get on the field

2021 (No. 30 overall): Gregory Rousseau, still undecided on how good he is. Plays much better when Von Miller is on the field. Not sure he’s a #1 pass rusher a nice complimentary rusher

2020 (No. 54 overall): A.J. Epenesa, bust

2019 (No. 9 overall): Ed Oliver, not worth the contract he got nor how high he was drafted 

2018 (No. 7 overall): Josh Allen, hit

2017 (No. 27 overall): Tre'Davious White, hit

We all know about all of the 2nd round whiffs starting with Zay Jones

 

im sure a 1st round pick last year and couple 2nd round picks from the last few years would look pretty good on the o-line or Lb’s right about now

 

With that being said, we have a good team this year and this might be it for a few years before they can get some salary off the books and draft better which I don’t think a lot of us have faith that they can do

 

 

 

 

 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

I’m actually more concerned with their unwillingness to trade picks for established players now that we have the star QB in place. 
 

As many have said in this thread, the hit rate on draft picks just isn’t good so getting an established above-average player in exchange for one is good value. 

[machine gun kelly]

On 8/30/2023 at 4:08 PM, PepeSilvia said:

Boogie a 2nd round draft pick being traded for a late round draft pick is just another one of Beane’s whiffs.

 

Josh Allen and Stefan Diggs cover up so much for this team and it’s going to be more and more apparent how much next year when Josh’s contract kicks in and you can’t pay free agents to make up for your draft whiffs

 

2022 (No. 25 overall): Kaiir Elam -   can’t get on the field

2021 (No. 30 overall): Gregory Rousseau, still undecided on how good he is. Plays much better when Von Miller is on the field. Not sure he’s a #1 pass rusher a nice complimentary rusher

2020 (No. 54 overall): A.J. Epenesa, bust

2019 (No. 9 overall): Ed Oliver, not worth the contract he got nor how high he was drafted 

2018 (No. 7 overall): Josh Allen, hit

2017 (No. 27 overall): Tre'Davious White, hit

We all know about all of the 2nd round whiffs starting with Zay Jones

 

im sure a 1st round pick last year and couple 2nd round picks from the last few years would look pretty good on the o-line or Lb’s right about now

 

With that being said, we have a good team this year and this might be it for a few years before they can get some salary off the books and draft better which I don’t think a lot of us have faith that they can do

 

 

 

Do you mean the Zay Jones who is still starting for the Jags.  Or Teller, or Milano, you know that 1st team all pro LB.

 

What about the acquisitions of Hyde, Poyer, Diggs, Morse, pro bowler Dawkins, acquiring the immovable force Daquan Jones, this year Poona, Settle a solid 1 tech DT, and I can keep going.

 

You carry picked to support a biased agenda for a GM who is one of the best in the league as examples by the experts.  You don’t look at just some draft picks and make dumb claims.  You didn’t even add Edmunds who is a multi pro bowler.

 

A team and GM is not evaluated with incomplete information, not to mention not even a complete post.

 

 

[PepeSilvia]

32 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Do you mean the Zay Jones who is still starting for the Jags.  Or Teller, or Milano, you know that 1st team all pro LB.

 

What about the acquisitions of Hyde, Poyer, Diggs, Morse, pro bowler Dawkins, acquiring the immovable force Daquan Jones, this year Poona, Settle a solid 1 tech DT, and I can keep going.

 

You carry picked to support a biased agenda for a GM who is one of the best in the league as examples by the experts.  You don’t look at just some draft picks and make dumb claims.  You didn’t even add Edmunds who is a multi pro bowler.

 

A team and GM is not evaluated with incomplete information, not to mention not even a complete post.

 

 

Lol edmunds. He didn’t even get a second contract, but was supposed to be a core player.

 

spare me with the pro bowls. The pro bowl is a joke and had been for years

 

teller and zay jones aren’t on the team anymore either…

 

i still am flabbergasted by the fact everyone is saying “right because the Cheif’s draft so well”

 

This isn’t about the chiefs drafting but they’ve won 2 super bowls including 1 in what should have been a “rebuilding” year

 

where the Bills have regressed in each other last 2 years with Josh Allen’s big cap set to hit next year

 

This has nothing to do with how well or not we’ll the chiefs draft and has to do with Beans not getting enough impact from his high draft picks 

who cares when I joined? 
 

21 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 @PepeSilvia dumps another hot mess thread and takes off into the sunset.  This is like his 3rd one.

 

Pepe joined the day after (Dec 7th 2021) the NE wind/weather game.

 

He never showed up again until after the Bills stomping of the Patriots in January to start a thread entitled "McDermott and Beane 

Have to Go".  He then didn't post until after the Bills lost to KC with his "Cancun on 3" thread.

 

Now he is back with this hot turd of a thread.  LOL.  I can smell these trolls a mile away!

 

 

you’re a “time on” kind of guy eh?

 

cool guy smelling trolls from miles and miles away with your extensive knowledge 👍 
 

I bet your talents are a real riot at family parties

Edited September 1, 2023 by PepeSilvia

[machine gun kelly]

2 hours ago, PepeSilvia said:

Lol edmunds. He didn’t even get a second contract, but was supposed to be a core player.

 

spare me with the pro bowls. The pro bowl is a joke and had been for years

 

teller and zay jones aren’t on the team anymore either…

 

i still am flabbergasted by the fact everyone is saying “right because the Cheif’s draft so well”

 

This isn’t about the chiefs drafting but they’ve won 2 super bowls including 1 in what should have been a “rebuilding” year

 

where the Bills have regressed in each other last 2 years with Josh Allen’s big cap set to hit next year

 

This has nothing to do with how well or not we’ll the chiefs draft and has to do with Beans not getting enough impact from his high draft picks 

who cares when I joined? 
 

you’re a “time on” kind of guy eh?

 

cool guy smelling trolls from miles and miles away with your extensive knowledge 👍 
 

I bet your talents are a real riot at family parties

Thanks for proving my point as it doesn’t matter whether a player is still here.  Is he’s still valuable in the NFL.  Point Beane. 0 Peepee.

 

You continue to cherry pick.  Provokes don’t matter.  Ok. Then it’s ok we have now moving forward.  You’re in a minority.  Edmunds secured a $72 mil contract so obviously someone thought he was a good LB.

 

where in my msg did I write something about the chiefs draft?

 

It interesting your others reference calls you out as you swoop in whenever you can throw shade.  Go back to whatever team you really support as Bills fans are smarter than you.  We know a troll when we see one.

[Dr.Sack]

Kincaid and Torrence are basically starters, and Dorian Williams flashed in the preseason. I think 2023 will help correct course. 

[PepeSilvia]

29 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Thanks for proving my point as it doesn’t matter whether a player is still here.  Is he’s still valuable in the NFL.  Point Beane. 0 Peepee.

 

You continue to cherry pick.  Provokes don’t matter.  Ok. Then it’s ok we have now moving forward.  You’re in a minority.  Edmunds secured a $72 mil contract so obviously someone thought he was a good LB.

 

where in my msg did I write something about the chiefs draft?

 

It interesting your others reference calls you out as you swoop in whenever you can throw shade.  Go back to whatever team you really support as Bills fans are smarter than you.  We know a troll when we see one.

The bears gave edmunds an absurd amount of money, and considering their recent record, I’m sure that’s a great point of reference to use. 👍 

 

the whole point of this thread was to point out that Beane hasn’t gotten enough impact or ROI on his draft picks and that sooner rather than later it’s going to catch up starting next year.

 

so I’m hoping that this is the year because it’s going to get tough to bring in free agents to cover up draft mistakes 

Edited September 1, 2023 by PepeSilvia

[machine gun kelly]

15 minutes ago, PepeSilvia said:

The bears gave edmunds an absurd amount of money, and considering their recent record, I’m sure that’s a great point of reference to use. 👍 

 

the whole point of this thread was to point out that Beane hasn’t gotten enough impact or ROI on his draft picks and that sooner rather than later it’s going to catch up starting next year.

 

so I’m hoping that this is the year because it’s going to get tough to bring in free agents to cover up draft mistakes 

Talk to me when you have 1000 posts.  Until then you’re a negative Nelly looking for flaws.  So obvious.  

[Sherlock Holmes]

On 8/30/2023 at 4:08 PM, PepeSilvia said:

Boogie a 2nd round draft pick being traded for a late round draft pick is just another one of Beane’s whiffs.

 

Josh Allen and Stefan Diggs cover up so much for this team and it’s going to be more and more apparent how much next year when Josh’s contract kicks in and you can’t pay free agents to make up for your draft whiffs

 

2022 (No. 25 overall): Kaiir Elam -   can’t get on the field

2021 (No. 30 overall): Gregory Rousseau, still undecided on how good he is. Plays much better when Von Miller is on the field. Not sure he’s a #1 pass rusher a nice complimentary rusher

2020 (No. 54 overall): A.J. Epenesa, bust

2019 (No. 9 overall): Ed Oliver, not worth the contract he got nor how high he was drafted 

2018 (No. 7 overall): Josh Allen, hit

2017 (No. 27 overall): Tre'Davious White, hit

We all know about all of the 2nd round whiffs starting with Zay Jones

 

im sure a 1st round pick last year and couple 2nd round picks from the last few years would look pretty good on the o-line or Lb’s right about now

 

With that being said, we have a good team this year and this might be it for a few years before they can get some salary off the books and draft better which I don’t think a lot of us have faith that they can do

 

 

 

Definitely should've drafted the Humphback Whale over Boogie