2023 Bills Practice Squad Complete

[ngbills]

Somebody with the Bills needs to do some updating. This is partly right...

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/team/players-roster/

[jkeerie]

2 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Somebody with the Bills needs to do some updating. This is partly right...

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/team/players-roster/

They aren't exactly in midseason form when it comes to website updates.  

[ngbills]

53 Man Roster

QB: Josh Allen, Kyle Allen (2)

RB: James Cook, Latavius Murray, Damien Harris, Reggie Gilliam (FB) (4)

WR: Stefon Diggs, Gabe Davis, Trent Sherfield, Deonte Harty, Khalil Shakir (5)

TE: Dawson Knox, Dalton Kincaid, Quintin Morris (3)

OL: Dion Dawkins, Connor McGovern, Mitch Morse, O’Cyrus Torrence, Spencer Brown, Ryan Bates, David Edwards, Ryan Van Demark, Alec Anderson, Germain Ifedi (10)

EDGE: Leonard Floyd, Greg Rousseau, A.J. Epenesa, Shaq Lawson, Kingsley Jonathan (5)

DT: Ed Oliver, DaQuan Jones, Tim Settle, Poona Ford, Jordan Phillips (5)

LB: Matt Milano, Tyrel Dodson, Terrel Bernard, Dorian Williams, Tyler Matakevich (5)

CB: Tre’Davious White, Dane Jackson, Taron Johnson, Christian Benford, Kaiir Elam, Siran Neal (6)

S: Micah Hyde, Jordan Poyer, Taylor Rapp, Damar Hamlin, Cam Lewis (5)

SPEC: Tyler Bass, Sam Martin; Red Ferguson (3)

 

 

IR: Von Miller (PUP), Nyheim Hines (NFI), Justin Shorter, Baylon Spector, Matt Barkley, Zach Davidson, Tommy Doyle

PS: Andy Isabella, Tyrell Shaver, Marcell Ateman, Bryan Thompson, Joel Wilson, Richard Gouraige, Kevin Jarvis, Greg Mancz, Ty Johnson, Christian Kirksey, Ja'Marcus Ingram, Kyron Brown, Kameron Cline, Eli Ankou, Kendal Vickers (15)

Edited August 30, 2023 by ngbills

[Beck Water]

37 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Out of curiosity, do you know if practice squad players salaries, count against the cap?

 

Yes.  The Bills have to be under the cap for 53 man roster, practice squad, and I believe IR counts too. 

 

Edit:  this explains salary cap pretty well

https://russellstreetreport.com/salarycap/nfl-salary-cap-faqs/

 

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Do all player count against their team’s Salary Cap?

Yes, once the season has started, all players – whether on the 53-man roster, Injured Reserve (IR), Physically Unable to Perform (PUP) or the Practice Squad (PS) – count against the team’s Salary Cap.  The only players that do not count against the Salary Cap are players who are on one of the NFL’s exempt lists.

 

FWIW, players on injured reserve may or may not count their full salary, depending upon how their contract is written.  This is called a "split contract" and one source says about 40% of current NFL players have a split.  Explanation here:

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2023/5/30/23742416/explaining-how-the-nfl-works-part-5-minimum-salaries-injured-reserve-down-salaries-steelers

 

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Minimum “down” contracts

For many NFL players, it is in their contract where they have a “split salary” which comes into play if they are placed on IR. Unless there is a provision where the player receives their full pay, something often included in contracts for higher draft picks and salaries significantly above the league minimum, a player is not paid at a full rate while on IR. This is also considered their “down” salary. For 2023, the “down” salaries are as follows:

2023

0: $450,000
1: $475,000
2: $500,000
3: $525,000
4-6: $550,000
7+: $600,000

A "down" salary of $450,000 for a rookie translates to $25,000/week vs. $41,667/week at rookie minimum

Likewise for year 1, it's $26,389/week vs. $48,333/week.

The team is not obligated to play salary to players on the NFI list, but may choose to do so.

Edited August 30, 2023 by Beck Water

[No_Matter_What]

So we are about §1M under the cap with 53 man roster right now, and it means we are about $4.5M over once Ferguson, Ifedi and PS players are accounted for.

 

Since we also need soom room when season starts, I'd say we need to clear $6-7M within next week.

 

Beane has some work to do

 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

It's not complete. Beane just said he's adding a QB to the Practice Squad tomorrow.

[jkeerie]

1 minute ago, ngbills said:

53 Man Roster

QB: Josh Allen, Kyle Allen (2)

RB: James Cook, Latavius Murray, Damien Harris, Reggie Gilliam (FB) (4)

WR: Stefon Diggs, Gabe Davis, Trent Sherfield, Deonte Harty, Khalil Shakir (5)

TE: Dawson Knox, Dalton Kincaid, Quintin Morris (3)

OL: Dion Dawkins, Connor McGovern, Mitch Morse, O’Cyrus Torrence, Spencer Brown, Ryan Bates, David Edwards, Ryan Van Demark, Alec Anderson, Germain Ifedi (10)

EDGE: Leonard Floyd, Greg Rousseau, A.J. Epenesa, Shaq Lawson, Kingsley Jonathan (5)

DT: Ed Oliver, DaQuan Jones, Tim Settle, Poona Ford, Jordan Phillips (5)

LB: Matt Milano, Tyrel Dodson, Terrel Bernard, Dorian Williams, Tyler Matakevich (5)

CB: Tre’Davious White, Dane Jackson, Taron Johnson, Christian Benford, Kaiir Elam, Siran Neal (6)

S: Micah Hyde, Jordan Poyer, Taylor Rapp, Damar Hamlin, Cam Lewis (5)

SPEC: Tyler Bass, Sam Martin; Red Ferguson (3)

 

 

IR: Von Miller (PUP), Nyheim Hines (NFI), Justin Shorter, Baylon Spector, Matt Barkley, Zach Davidson, Tommy Doyle

PS: Andy Isabella, Tyrell Shaver, Marcell Ateman, Bryan Thompson, Joel Wilson, Richard Gouraige, Kevin Jarvis, Greg Mancz, Ty Johnson, Christian Kirksey, Ja'Marcus Ingram, Kyron Brown, Kameron Cline, DJ Dale, Eli Ankou, Kendal Vickers (16)

DJ Dale was not on the confirmed Bills list.  I think he was reported in error.

[Beck Water]

7 minutes ago, ngbills said:

53 Man Roster

QB: Josh Allen, Kyle Allen (2)

RB: James Cook, Latavius Murray, Damien Harris, Reggie Gilliam (FB) (4)

WR: Stefon Diggs, Gabe Davis, Trent Sherfield, Deonte Harty, Khalil Shakir (5)

TE: Dawson Knox, Dalton Kincaid, Quintin Morris (3)

OL: Dion Dawkins, Connor McGovern, Mitch Morse, O’Cyrus Torrence, Spencer Brown, Ryan Bates, David Edwards, Ryan Van Demark, Alec Anderson, Germain Ifedi (10)

EDGE: Leonard Floyd, Greg Rousseau, A.J. Epenesa, Shaq Lawson, Kingsley Jonathan (5)

DT: Ed Oliver, DaQuan Jones, Tim Settle, Poona Ford, Jordan Phillips (5)

LB: Matt Milano, Tyrel Dodson, Terrel Bernard, Dorian Williams, Tyler Matakevich (5)

CB: Tre’Davious White, Dane Jackson, Taron Johnson, Christian Benford, Kaiir Elam, Siran Neal (6)

S: Micah Hyde, Jordan Poyer, Taylor Rapp, Damar Hamlin, Cam Lewis (5)

SPEC: Tyler Bass, Sam Martin; Red Ferguson (3)

 

 

IR: Von Miller (PUP), Nyheim Hines (NFI), Justin Shorter, Baylon Spector, Matt Barkley, Zach Davidson, Tommy Doyle

PS: Andy Isabella, Tyrell Shaver, Marcell Ateman, Bryan Thompson, Joel Wilson, Richard Gouraige, Kevin Jarvis, Greg Mancz, Ty Johnson, Christian Kirksey, Ja'Marcus Ingram, Kyron Brown, Kameron Cline, DJ Dale, Eli Ankou, Kendal Vickers (16)

 

On the practice squad, Kirksey and DJ Dale have not been confirmed by the Bills

 

 

Also, I don't know if this is petty or what, but we have 24 offensive players and 26 defensive players.  I think the Bills deferred making decisions at DB, and maybe at LB, into the first 4 weeks of the regular season.

Edited August 30, 2023 by Beck Water

[ngbills]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

Yes.  The Bills have to be under the cap for 53 man roster, practice squad, and I believe IR counts too. 

Sportrac has us $2.5M under. Does not look 100% updated yet, but close. Sucks to see Doyle, Barkley, Davidson cost us over $2M. Hines is another $3.5M. Add in Saffold, Howard, Quess its another $3.6M...thats like $10M. 

[Beck Water]

11 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

DJ Dale was not on the confirmed Bills list.  I think he was reported in error.

 

Dale was reported by NFLDraftDiamonds, which is small-school scout Damond Talbot's account.

 

 

Talbot later walked it back:

 

For what it's worth.  Talbot knows many of these guys, but what was actually offered or just put out as "we'd like to have you depending on how things fall", who knows?

Edited August 30, 2023 by Beck Water

[PromoTheRobot]

3 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

On the practice squad, Kirksey and DJ Dale have not been confirmed by the Bills

 

 

Where's Kirksey?

[jkeerie]

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Where's Kirksey?

He still has to take his physical with the team.  Beane mentioned he is coming.

[ndirish1978]

I think we're going to see Fromm come back on the PS. He was cut and was having a good pre-season

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

I'm not entirely ginned up on the PS rules (actually I try but they give me a headache).

 

However, the Bills placed Barkley on season-ending IR yesterday.

They can release him with an injury settlement, but then they are barred from signing him for 6 weeks AFTER the # of weeks in the injury settlement.  PRETTY SURE that includes a signing to the PS
 

 

 

Yea I'd missed Barkley going on IR.

[BillsFanForever19]

2 hours ago, ndirish1978 said:

I think we're going to see Fromm come back on the PS. He was cut and was having a good pre-season

 

He signed on to Washington's Practice Squad today.

[Locomark]

7 hours ago, Kmart128 said:

Think id rather have Jace Sternberger on the PS. But this Wilson kid must have shown the coaches a little something this offseason.

 

7 hours ago, Kmart128 said:

Think id rather have Jace Sternberger on the PS. But this Wilson kid must have shown the coaches a little something this offseason.

Sternberger was a turd trying to catch anything. No thanks on that idea. 

[HappyDays]

I just looked at the final practice squad for the first time today and I'm shocked to see AJ Klein isn't there. Unless I'm missing it? He was taking 1st team reps for us just two weeks ago, and now just like that he is completely gone. I thought for sure they would keep him on the PS if for nothing else than an emergency option that knows the system.

[MasterStrategist]

Just now, HappyDays said:

I just looked at the final practice squad for the first time today and I'm shocked to see AJ Klein isn't there. Unless I'm missing it? He was taking 1st team reps for us just two weeks ago, and now just like that he is completely gone. I thought for sure they would keep him on the PS if for nothing else than an emergency option that knows the system.

Agree.  I was expecting the same.

 

Will see how they handle Kirksey. But wouldnt surprise me if he's signed to the 53, after week 1 (saving on guaranteed $s/cap).  

 

At whatever point Kirksey is promoted to the 53, be interesting what their corresponding roster move is.  I'd predict Dodson is let go, and maybe then Klein is brought back to the P/S.

[BobbyC81]

9 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

The Bills official site has Barkley on IR with Doyle and Davidson.  So does Spotrac and OTC.

His cap hit on Spotrac is reduced to $585k.

https://www.buffalobills.com/team/players-roster/

Over half a Mil to sit on IR and not play.  What a life!    Damn my genes!

[QLBillsFan]

6 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Really shocked Evans didn't make it.

Yeah he and Mims had good camps. Evans was pleased.