Nick Bosa Trade Rumor (Unnamed AFC Team)

[GunnerBill]

51 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah but he's worth a lot more in trade if they send him somewhere he wants to go that will give him the contract he wants.

 

Nick Bosa is the kind of player you give a 7 year contract to...........so people who assume that the cap hit will be a detriment aren't taking into account that his deal will be heavily backloaded and his first couple years cap hits could be pretty minor.    It's not like he will have to settle for a team that can absorb a big 2023/2024 cap hit.   

 

 

The thing is though...........half price still only gets you 1 star player back.    Teams that push cap debt like the Saints or now the Bills to some extend........they can get the same effect by manipulating the cap.    I suspect that deal would blow up in Cinci in a few years because I wouldn't trust Mike Brown to not use more of a "cash to the cap" type system.    Burrow would be dumb to do that.  I have seen more evidence of willingness to sacrifice earnings from Ralph C. Wilson Jr. than Mike Brown........and it's not close.

 

Agree. I have said it about Cincy, their challenge isn't going to be paying the guys so much as it will be doing what KC and Buffalo do year after year and creating space by giving big new chunks of up front change to 3 or 4 players including their QB in exchange for cap relief.

54 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah but he's worth a lot more in trade if they send him somewhere he wants to go that will give him the contract he wants.

 

Nick Bosa is the kind of player you give a 7 year contract to...........so people who assume that the cap hit will be a detriment aren't taking into account that his deal will be heavily backloaded and his first couple years cap hits could be pretty minor.    It's not like he will have to settle for a team that can absorb a big 2023/2024 cap hit.   

 

 

The thing is though...........half price still only gets you 1 star player back.    Teams that push cap debt like the Saints or now the Bills to some extend........they can get the same effect by manipulating the cap.    I suspect that deal would blow up in Cinci in a few years because I wouldn't trust Mike Brown to not use more of a "cash to the cap" type system.    Burrow would be dumb to do that.  I have seen more evidence of willingness to sacrifice earnings from Ralph C. Wilson Jr. than Mike Brown........and it's not close.

 

Agree. I have said it about Cincy, their challenge isn't going to be paying the guys so much as it will be doing what KC and Buffalo do year after year and creating space by giving big new chunks of up front change to 3 or 4 players including their QB in exchange for cap relief.

[gjv]

Maybe Josh will do an Aaron Rogers so we can sign Bosa.

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

Why do folk get sucked in by these sort of rumors every time one pops  up???

 

Its pretty funny.   I mean, some unknown person just says "I am the guy who broke the CMC trade news" and everyone takes that as fact.  Maybe he has a connection where he got some info early, maybe he doesn't.  All I know some guy saying he does isn't confirmation of the fact.  

[FilthyBeast]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

 

They have a ton of cap space, but also a ton of high value players to pay. 

 

There's a reason they're playing hardball with Chris Jones.. 

 

All true because their GM is the best in the business (and maybe best GM in all pro sports right now).

 

Definitely have a lot of young stars up and down the roster they will have to think about extending in coming years but you get the sense that Mahomes is going to keep restructuring to team friendly deals like Brady did all those years in NE to keep them in the championship mix and keep most core guys.

 

Still think Chris Jones deal gets done at some point sooner than later too.

 

Bottom line it's the Chiefs world in the NFL and we are all living in it which is why I maintain the Bills organization eventually has to know they aren't touching these guys with the current GM/HC when it matters most in the playoffs and must rethink their long term strategy there to win playoff games beyond divisional round.

[RobbRiddick]

2 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

This is truly scary considering they are coming off a SB win during a 'transition' year and also widely expected to get to/win another SB this year.

 

GO CHIEFS!

37 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

All true because their GM is the best in the business (and maybe best GM in all pro sports right now).

 

Definitely have a lot of young stars up and down the roster they will have to think about extending in coming years but you get the sense that Mahomes is going to keep restructuring to team friendly deals like Brady did all those years in NE to keep them in the championship mix and keep most core guys.

 

Still think Chris Jones deal gets done at some point sooner than later too.

 

Bottom line it's the Chiefs world in the NFL and we are all living in it which is why I maintain the Bills organization eventually has to know they aren't touching these guys with the current GM/HC when it matters most in the playoffs and must rethink their long term strategy there to win playoff games beyond divisional round.

GO CHIEFS!

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

2 hours ago, Bleedingreennc said:

Honestly its not good right now. AVT coming back from a season ending injury, Becton is finally back after a couple of years injured, Duane Brown is protecting Rodgers blind side and that scares me. That is our only weakness on the team and its the most important IMO.

At least the Jets lineman can run block. Everyone is psyched about Rodgers, but are overlooking the best RB tandem in the league. It’s almost unfair having Dalvin Cook & Breece Hall on the same team 

[Scott7975]

I think the Chiefs just traded for a DT from Raiders.

[snamsnoops]

22 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

At least the Jets lineman can run block. Everyone is psyched about Rodgers, but are overlooking the best RB tandem in the league. It’s almost unfair having Dalvin Cook & Breece Hall on the same team 

Might be a lil premature with the best RB tandem....... Cook isn't the same and we have no idea how Hall will return after the injury... Potential, sure, but lets see how they play first!

[BarleyNY]

12 hours ago, iccrewman112 said:

I hear rumors a while back prior to the Jalen Hurts or Herbert deals that Burrow wanted an 8 year fully guaranteed contract at $25M/yr the thought was he wanted to ensure Chase could be resigned without question. 
 

this approach would open the door for Bosa. Bosa paired with Hendrickson is scary.

 

Could he ever consider that contract with what others have signed for recently? No idea. But the guy does so much for low income families between his foundation, food bank stuff, and now purchasing small family farms to help out those groups. It is possible I guess. his mother is a school principal still and see a lot of this struggle on a daily basis.
 

If he signs that deal and it paves the way for Bosa, they give him the key to the city.

 

There’s no way Burrow would leave that kind of money in the table - especially when dealing with Mike Brown. Brown would just pocket it. The smart play would be for the QB to get his market value contract. Then if the team got strapped for cash/cap and could make a good case for needing some back for a specific player, then the QB could make a decision about whether or not to do that.

 

You gotta live in the real world. If a team could get away with saying.”Hey, kid, take 50¢ on the dollar and we’ll put a real swell team around you!” then every team would screw over every player that way.  

[FlaFitz1]

16 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Bosa would have to want to sign with the team they trade him to in order for San Francisco to get a good return.

 

That would point to Miami.    

 

His dad was a first round bust for the Dolphins.......his uncle is Eric Kumerow the former Dolphins LB...........and Nick and Joey were raised in Miami.

 

That's home for the Bosa family.

 

 

That's great in theory and all plus sentimental with the family thing but not happening.

 

Miami has $13.3 million in cap space.

 

The top 5 DEs:

Garrett $25 million 

Crosby $23.5m

Henderickson $21m

Williams $21m

Miller $20m 

 

If they were to pay him $10m so they still have a $3m cushion in case of emergencies he would be tied with Sam Hubbard and Foley Fatukasi for the 19th highest paid.

 

 

The only AFC teams that could realistically afford him are the Browns, Chiefs and Bengals.

 

The Chiefs could pair him with Karlaftis, their 1st round pick last year, who is entering year two of his rookie deal but then what do they do with this year's 1st round DE selection Anudike-Uzomah?

 

The Brownies have Garrett and his large price tag so adding Bosa would be dedicating a lot of the cap to one position.  Plus they traded for Za'Darius Smith and signed him to a 4 year deal that has $10.5 million fully guaranteed this year.

 

As for the Bengals they have the aforementioned Hendrickson who they just signed to an extension that keeps him in Cinci through the 2025 season.   On the other side that have Hubbard who is also inked though the 2025 season at an average of $10 million plus.  Not to mention they still have Burrow's and Higgins' extensions to get done.

 

The next two teams in cap space are the Colts and Jets.

 

[iccrewman112]

40 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

You gotta live in the real world. If a team could get away with saying.”Hey, kid, take 50¢ on the dollar and we’ll put a real swell team around you!” then every team would screw over every player that way.  

the real world includes a minimum salary cap (floor). which prevents exactly what you just stated.
 

“Teams must spend at least 89% of the cap over a four-year period, while the NFL as a whole must spend at least 95% of the cap”

 

I recall this headline :Colts’ Andrew Luck Becomes NFL’s Highest-Paid Player With 5 year $122M dollar deal.

I wonder if he would have taken 30% less to have an O-line that weren’t turnstyles that partially lead to his early retirement.

[BarleyNY]

2 minutes ago, iccrewman112 said:

the real world includes a minimum salary cap (floor). which prevents exactly what you just stated.
 

“Teams must spend at least 89% of the cap over a four-year period, while the NFL as a whole must spend at least 95% of the cap”

 

I recall this headline :Colts’ Andrew Luck Becomes NFL’s Highest-Paid Player With 5 year $122M dollar deal.

I wonder if he would have taken 30% less to have an O-line that weren’t turnstyles that partially lead to his early retirement.

 

Not exactly. Teams must spend an average of 89% of the salary cap IN CASH. Proration of signing bonuses allows for a lot of play in the actual cash spent. For example, the Bills are currently set to spend $287M this season. That will increase due to PS signings and injured player replacements. The 2023 cap is $224.8M. 89% of that is $200M. So the Bills are spending $87M - or 43.5% - more this year than they need to. So if an owner could pay a $50M/yr  QB half of that, they could easily pocket the $25M/yr. 

 

Again, it is extremely naive to think players should take less than they are worth on the word of the team that they’ll spend it on surrounding them with better players. And that’s not even considering the odds that it wouldn’t work anyway. SMH

[BADOLBILZ]

7 hours ago, FlaFitz1 said:

 

 

That's great in theory and all plus sentimental with the family thing but not happening.

 

Miami has $13.3 million in cap space.

 

The top 5 DEs:

Garrett $25 million 

Crosby $23.5m

Henderickson $21m

Williams $21m

Miller $20m 

 

If they were to pay him $10m so they still have a $3m cushion in case of emergencies he would be tied with Sam Hubbard and Foley Fatukasi for the 19th highest paid.

 

 

The only AFC teams that could realistically afford him are the Browns, Chiefs and Bengals.

 

The Chiefs could pair him with Karlaftis, their 1st round pick last year, who is entering year two of his rookie deal but then what do they do with this year's 1st round DE selection Anudike-Uzomah?

 

The Brownies have Garrett and his large price tag so adding Bosa would be dedicating a lot of the cap to one position.  Plus they traded for Za'Darius Smith and signed him to a 4 year deal that has $10.5 million fully guaranteed this year.

 

As for the Bengals they have the aforementioned Hendrickson who they just signed to an extension that keeps him in Cinci through the 2025 season.   On the other side that have Hubbard who is also inked though the 2025 season at an average of $10 million plus.  Not to mention they still have Burrow's and Higgins' extensions to get done.

 

The next two teams in cap space are the Colts and Jets.

 

 

 

 

 

$13.3M in cap space is much more than enough to sign a QB to a long term $50M/year extension..........let alone a little $30M aav deal for a young edge rusher.........because a LONG extension can start with small $5M type cap hits in the first couple of seasons.   

 

The Bills started out this offseason $20M OVER the cap and yet they added over $40M in aav's to the payroll to this year between the Oliver extension, McGovern, Sharty and Floyd........they just pushed a lot of that cap debt into the future.

 

Bosa is an absolute superstar.    I hope Miami isn't in on him but I suspect they would be on the very short list of places Bosa would agree to sign with.

 

 

Edited August 31, 2023 by BADOLBILZ

[HappyDays]

 

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Clearly they are just playing hardball with the unnamed AFC team. 

[MasterStrategist]

12 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Clearly they are just playing hardball with the unnamed AFC team. 

Haha clearly.

 

In other news, the Josh Rosen of Reddit proven to be a fraud just like the Josh Rosen of football.  This guy is on to the next burner account

[maddenboy]

Jaguars

 

Shad khan needs sizzle for his London fanbase.  Jaguars have good players.  But have they ever had a star in his prime?  ever?

 

Doug peterson, say what you will, does seem to know how to make a superbowl team.  They could easily and quite rationally think they are exactly one piece away.  They could easily think they are in a window AND with young players.

 

Edited August 31, 2023 by maddenboy

[MJS]

On 8/29/2023 at 8:49 PM, Success said:

I'm starting to wish the Bills were in the NFC.

 

I swear - we'd go to the SB just about every year.

Such bad luck, but hey, It is what it is. The Bills just need to elevate and it will be that much sweeter when they win a championship knowing the caliber of teams they had to beat to get there.

[maddenboy]

9 hours ago, FlaFitz1 said:

. . . The only AFC teams that could realistically afford him are the Browns, Chiefs and Bengals.

 

. . . As for the Bengals they have the aforementioned Hendrickson who they just signed to an extension that keeps him in Cinci through the 2025 season.   On the other side that have Hubbard who is also inked though the 2025 season at an average of $10 million plus.  Not to mention they still have Burrow's and Higgins' extensions to get done.

 

the other problem with the Bengals is the actual cash.   To fund large signing bonuses.   Mike brown is saving every penny, and looking for new lines of credit, for the moment when he can no longer earn interest on it by delaying paying Burrow.

 

Mike brown has no cash and hates to pay it.   Mark davis has no cash but loves to pay it.

 

mike brown lives like its paycheck to paycheck.  

 

Edited August 31, 2023 by maddenboy

[Nelius]

Seems this has been debunked, but very surprised by the lack of Las Vegas Raiders mentions. Makes little sense with the already scare Crosby/Jones combo I know but that's exactly what the chaos agent Raiders do, now with Vegas flair. Always contenders to make a splash at all times.

Edited August 31, 2023 by Nelius