OT Germain Ifedi signs with the Bills

[TheyCallMeAndy]

58 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

For me it's more than that. Not expecting a roster of all pro bowlers. 

 

What's disappointing is that the Bills oline still has major question marks. The oline doesn't even appear to be in the top 10. 

 

Granted the interior looks improved but it's still unproven and a work in progress. 

 

It's frustrating that Beane has had five plus years to really solidify the oline. I'd argue this Bills oline is a major reason why they haven't advanced further. 

 

As a result, it's hard for fans to get enthusiastic about a mediocre backup oline pick up. I get it it's necessary. 

Congrats, that’s every single team right now. 

[LABILLBACKER]

Bills OL rankings since 2019

 

2019- 21

2020- 10

2021- 21

2022- 23

2023- 22

....other than 2020 when Williams was ranked high, this unit has basically stayed in the same tier. That's not a coincidence. 

[MikePJ76]

17 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Congrats, that’s every single team right now. 

if you take a peak at other teams media and fans it seems everyone needs

 

offensive tackles, linebackers and more corners!  Every team.

[newcam2012]

20 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Congrats, that’s every single team right now. 

No it's not. You are missing the point. 

 

The Bills oline over the last few years has been more a liability than an asset. That's just undeniable. 

 

To dismiss or imply that every team has oline issues is chicken shi!. 

 

The fact remains Beane, McD, and Kromer, scouts, players, etc...have failed to build an oline that's an asset. 

 

This year there are some new pieces so hopefully the oline is better. 

43 minutes ago, Coldfronts said:

I guess all the summer splash is gone. The best we can hope for is to kick the tire on a retread.

 

That's all that's available now. Still doesn't mean someone can't contribute to the team. 

[Mr. WEO]

he's no Fendi Onabun...

[Solomon Grundy]

9 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 I know it's not rational, but my enthusiasm died when I read an article that lumped Ifedi with another player we all know well.  

 

"The Lions also released offensive linemen Germain Ifedi and Bobby Hart. Both players have extensive experience and could land as depth for other teams at some point in the future."

 

At least it wasn't Bobby Hart!!

[TheyCallMeAndy]

4 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

No it's not. You are missing the point. 

 

The Bills oline over the last few years has been more a liability than an asset. That's just undeniable. 

 

To dismiss or imply that every team has oline issues is chicken shi!. 

 

The fact remains Beane, McD, and Kromer, scouts, players, etc...have failed to build an oline that's an asset. 

 

This year there are some new pieces so hopefully the oline is better. 

That's all that's available now. Still doesn't mean someone can't contribute to the team. 

No, the notion that only the Bills have question marks on their roster is chicken *****.
 

We haven’t even seen the starting OL play a full game yet, can’t really jump to the conclusion that they are a liability. 

[Beck Water]

15 hours ago, balln said:

My

god. Enough with Carolina 

 

I'm so confused.  Now we can't sign players who have played for teams who have PLAYED Carolina?

[Saxum]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I'm so confused.  Now we can't sign players who have played for teams who have PLAYED Carolina?

 

We cannot even have posters who have LIVED IN Carolina.

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

The Bills oline over the last few years has been more a liability than an asset. That's just undeniable.

 

Dude, Just Stop.  Go root for New England or the Dolphins or whoever it is you're actually a fan of, I can't keep track.

 

What's undeniable is that the Bills had the #2, #3, and #2 offense the last 3 seasons.  You don't achieve that with a line that is "more a liability than an asset".  You simply don't, especially when your QB always wants to go for the "kill shot" and hates to check it down.

 

Yes, some of that is the unreal play of one Joshua Patrick Allen, but as Dawkins said in one recent interview - that's both a blessing and a curse.  Allen will often extend plays, and that demands more of the line; other QB behind lesser lines will hit the quick slant or flat and let their player gain 5 yards, which makes their line look better.

 

Have the Bills had a top OL?  No, it's been average, no better.  But also no worse.

Edited August 30, 2023 by Beck Water

[T master]

Hopefully with Kramers experience maybe he can help him get back to his first round draft ability 

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

Dude, Just Stop.  Go root for New England or the Dolphins or whoever it is you're actually a fan of, I can't keep track.

 

What's undeniable is that the Bills had the #2, #3, and #2 offense the last 3 seasons.  You don't achieve that with a line that is "more a liability than an asset".  You simply don't, especially when your QB always wants to go for the "kill shot" and hates to check it down.

 

Yes, some of that is the unreal play of one Joshua Patrick Allen, but as Dawkins said in one recent interview - that's both a blessing and a curse.  Allen will often extend plays, and that demands more of the line; other QB behind lesser lines will hit the quick slant or flat and let their player gain 5 yards, which makes their line look better.

 

Have the Bills had a top OL?  No, it's been average, no better.  But also no worse.

Stop what? The oline has been problematic for years. If you can't see that then I'm not sure how knowledgeable of a Bills fan you are. 

 

Allen is absolutely the reason why the offense is that highly ranked. He's that fricken good. 

 

You point to stats but omit the oline stats. Frankly, they are bottom tier. You can't have it both ways.

 

If you don't like my criticisms then block me or gingerly skip over my posts. Being a Bills fan doesn't mean you can't criticize the team. 

 

 

2 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

No, the notion that only the Bills have question marks on their roster is chicken *****.
 

We haven’t even seen the starting OL play a full game yet, can’t really jump to the conclusion that they are a liability. 

I'm not talking this year. I don't know how the oline is going to perform. I'm concerned yet optimistic. 

Edited August 30, 2023 by newcam2012

[hondo in seattle]

16 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Dude, Just Stop.  Go root for New England or the Dolphins or whoever it is you're actually a fan of, I can't keep track.

 

What's undeniable is that the Bills had the #2, #3, and #2 offense the last 3 seasons.  You don't achieve that with a line that is "more a liability than an asset".  You simply don't, especially when your QB always wants to go for the "kill shot" and hates to check it down.

 

Yes, some of that is the unreal play of one Joshua Patrick Allen, but as Dawkins said in one recent interview - that's both a blessing and a curse.  Allen will often extend plays, and that demands more of the line; other QB behind lesser lines will hit the quick slant or flat and let their player gain 5 yards, which makes their line look better.

 

Have the Bills had a top OL?  No, it's been average, no better.  But also no worse.

 

I apologize, BW, but I respectfully have to disagree.  The Bills line has not been average.  That's not what the analytic sites say.  And that's not what my eyes tell me after watching the Bills for 50+ years.   Sure, sometimes Allen's reluctance to take easy slants or check down forces the OL to hold blocks longer.  But often he's off his mark in less than 2 seconds because of an immediate passpro breakdown.  We've all seen it: in some games the poor kid is running for his life.  Our good offensive rankings are not because of the OL, they are despite the OL.  A lesser QB wouldn't be able to sustain drives with the kind of protection Allen gets.  

 

The way Allen tries to extend plays is both a blessing and a curse - but far more blessing.  Sometimes I think Beane purposely doesn't spend on the OL because he knows Allen is mobile and strong enough to make good things happen even when pass protection breaks down.  I believe, whatever the reason, Josh deserves better.  

[Paup 1995MVP]

14 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Now that he's signed, I think Alec Anderson is Practice Squad bound. Not sure we keep 10 on the OL.

Is McGovern health enough to start at LG?  And if not, is it going to be Edwards with Torrance at RG?  Bates is the backup center.  Can anyone tell me how he has looked this preseason?  Can Anderson play Center as well? 

 

I agree 10 O lineman seems like a lot.  But Anderson looked good against Chicago.  Is Ifedi better then Spencer Brown?  If so, get him in at starting RT.

[Coach Tuesday]

I will be super disappointed if Anderson gets released in favor of keeping an extra special teamer.  Do NOT make this mistake again Beane, you’ve got 2-3 super talented OL prospects who will immediately get scooped up by other teams if the Bills try to sneak them through waivers.  The right approach for the future is to make sure we keep them.

[Beck Water]

1 minute ago, hondo in seattle said:

I apologize, BW, but I respectfully have to disagree.  The Bills line has not been average.  That's not what the analytic sites say.  And that's not what my eyes tell me after watching the Bills for 50+ years.   Sure, sometimes Allen's reluctance to take easy slants or check down forces the OL to hold blocks longer.  But often he's off his mark in less than 2 seconds because of an immediate passpro breakdown.

 

If by "analytics sites" you mean PFF, I think they aren't too valid in their abilities to grade OL play, not knowing the specifics of the assignments.  Same for the eyeballs - we can say "Morse got blown up", but was it that Edwards lost his man and should have had help, or that Torrence passed his guy to Morse but shouldn't have?

There are times when Josh/Dorsey come out with a quick passing game, but far more often than not (and under Daboll as well) it seemed they were going for the vertical game.

 

So yeah, we'll have to agree to disagree.  I go with Greg Cosell, who has watched and interpreted more film than everyone on this site x100.  If he says "average, not better", maybe he knows something.

[oldmanfan]

Fans:  WE HAVE TO SIGN A VETERAN TACKLE!!  NOW!! GET IT DONE!!

 

Beane:  We’ve signed a veteran tackle

 

FANS:  NOT THAT ONE!!!

[NeverOutNick]

1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I will be super disappointed if Anderson gets released in favor of keeping an extra special teamer.  Do NOT make this mistake again Beane, you’ve got 2-3 super talented OL prospects who will immediately get scooped up by other teams if the Bills try to sneak them through waivers.  The right approach for the future is to make sure we keep them.

Agreed. Sign Kirksey and let Dodson and either matakevich, Hamlin or Lewis go if need be. No reason to let good OL prospects go when have aging starters in Morse and Dawkins at the end of there careers 

[Airseven]

2 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Congrats, that’s every single team right now. 

 

Not every single team is a supposed Super Bowl contender. At this point for this regime, the standard is high. The Bills have more question marks than most other contenders.

Edited August 30, 2023 by Airseven

[Beck Water]

4 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Is McGovern health enough to start at LG?  And if not, is it going to be Edwards with Torrance at RG?  Bates is the backup center.  Can anyone tell me how he has looked this preseason?  Can Anderson play Center as well? 

 

I agree 10 O lineman seems like a lot.  But Anderson looked good against Chicago.  Is Ifedi better then Spencer Brown?  If so, get him in at starting RT.

 

Ifedi is this year's Ty Nsekhe/Daryl Williams, and that's not a Good Sign for Brown.

 

For those who don't remember, in 2019 the Bills had rookie Cody Ford starting at RT, but hedged their bets signing journeyman Ty Nsekhe, who only took 1 start but wound up playing 1/3 of the offensive snaps there.  The next year we signed Daryl Williams who quickly won the RT job outright over Ford, Got Paid, and sucked the next season.

 

Bates has looked decent this preseason by all accounts.  Anderson has taken snaps at C.