Charles Romes Posted August 30, 2023 Posted August 30, 2023 10 hours ago, BillsFooteball said: Someone who knows way more about o-line than myself let me know is this an upgrade over Q in your opinion? Clearly bills do but everything I read this guy was (is?) a penalty machine and revolving door. I don’t know anything about the X’s and O’s of line play, but I do know a blocking dummy would be an upgrade over Q. 1 1 Quote
without a drought Posted August 30, 2023 Posted August 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Since1981 said: It strikes me as disturbing that we can see Beane dealing so heavy with Giants and Carolina. 29 other teams. Suggests an awful blinders situation for seeing the entire league. WE shouldn’t be able to pinpoint ANY trends like that!! I don't think Beane knows that teams like Seattle, Chicago and Atlanta exist. I'm done with this team. 2 1 Quote
MikePJ76 Posted August 30, 2023 Posted August 30, 2023 if a tackle gets a minor injury and has to leave for the remainder of the game he will probably be fine. if he has to fill for 4-6 weeks or something I imagine they end up going to one of the young tackles. Quote
newcam2012 Posted August 30, 2023 Posted August 30, 2023 16 minutes ago, Hsker4life said: Gotta love Bills fans. We just signed a player with a lot of starting experience to be a depth guy, and posters are acting like Beane is dumber than a bag of rocks for doing so. LOL. For me it's more than that. Not expecting a roster of all pro bowlers. What's disappointing is that the Bills oline still has major question marks. The oline doesn't even appear to be in the top 10. Granted the interior looks improved but it's still unproven and a work in progress. It's frustrating that Beane has had five plus years to really solidify the oline. I'd argue this Bills oline is a major reason why they haven't advanced further. As a result, it's hard for fans to get enthusiastic about a mediocre backup oline pick up. I get it it's necessary. 2 1 Quote
HIT BY SPIKES Posted August 30, 2023 Posted August 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: For me it's more than that. Not expecting a roster of all pro bowlers. What's disappointing is that the Bills oline still has major question marks. The oline doesn't even appear to be in the top 10. Granted the interior looks improved but it's still unproven and a work in progress. It's frustrating that Beane has had five plus years to really solidify the oline. I'd argue this Bills oline is a major reason why they haven't advanced further. As a result, it's hard for fans to get enthusiastic about a mediocre backup oline pick up. I get it it's necessary. Possibly barely top 20 however I suspect they are in the bottom 10 of the NFL and it is Josh Allen who makes them look better than they are when you consider Josh's scrambling for time to pass heroics and the fact that his rushing yardage is not due to holes the OL make but rather the fact the in the majority there has been a OL pass protection breakdown. Quote
SoCal Deek Posted August 30, 2023 Posted August 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: For me it's more than that. Not expecting a roster of all pro bowlers. What's disappointing is that the Bills oline still has major question marks. The oline doesn't even appear to be in the top 10. Granted the interior looks improved but it's still unproven and a work in progress. It's frustrating that Beane has had five plus years to really solidify the oline. I'd argue this Bills oline is a major reason why they haven't advanced further. As a result, it's hard for fans to get enthusiastic about a mediocre backup oline pick up. I get it it's necessary. I can bash Beane as much as the next guy, but from what we’ve seen Torrence appears to be the real deal at RG. Let’s hope it’s true. 3 Quote
newcam2012 Posted August 30, 2023 Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: I can bash Beane as much as the next guy, but from what we’ve seen Torrence appears to be the real deal at RG. Let’s hope it’s true. It's not a matter of bashing Beane. That's not my objective. Beane has done a lot of good too. Hit a grand slam with Allen. Agree Torrence looks very good but let's see how he plays in regular season games. Edited August 30, 2023 by newcam2012 Quote
newcam2012 Posted August 30, 2023 Posted August 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, HIT BY SPIKES said: Possibly barely top 20 however I suspect they are in the bottom 10 of the NFL and it is Josh Allen who makes them look better than they are when you consider Josh's scrambling for time to pass heroics and the fact that his rushing yardage is not due to holes the OL make but rather the fact the in the majority there has been a OL pass protection breakdown. Agree but that's my point. The regime has had five years to solidify the oline. They shouldn't be a bottom tier oline. Every year there's significant issues with the oline. It's not a coincidence that Philly and KC were in the SB. They arguably have the best olines in the league. I know it's difficult to build a great oline. All teams strive to improve. Just feels like the Bills have fallen way to short here. Maybe this year will be much improved? 1 Quote
HIT BY SPIKES Posted August 30, 2023 Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: Agree but that's my point. The regime has had five years to solidify the oline. They shouldn't be a bottom tier oline. Every year there's significant issues with the oline. It's not a coincidence that Philly and KC were in the SB. They arguably have the best olines in the league. I know it's difficult to build a great oline. All teams strive to improve. Just feels like the Bills have fallen way to short here. Maybe this year will be much improved? When you do not prioritize the OL through high round draft picks or top tier Free Agents then this is what you get. It has been a criticism of mine for a couple of decades and Beane is simply continuing this failed strategy. Beane really has no successful track record in OL personnel evaluation. It is what separates us from the other "contenders". Edited August 30, 2023 by HIT BY SPIKES 1 1 Quote
MasterStrategist Posted August 30, 2023 Posted August 30, 2023 37 minutes ago, SCBills said: Are we keeping 10 OL or is Alec Anderson a potential cut now? Id be disappointed if that’s the case, as Anderson looks really promising as a G/C, and with multiple years left on his deal. Anderson did not look good in his RT try out, so signing Ifedi makes all the sense in the world, but I really hope it’s a LB on the way out over a promising young OL piece. Jury is out. Some posters think we won't, and will go with 6 LBs or a 6th WR. Personally, I think we keep 10 OL, 5 LBs, and 5 Wrs on the 53. Injuries to OL are bound to happen. We have a center with concussion history, Edwards coming off a serious concussion, and Brown hopefully is over his back issues/can manage it. All to say, not predicting an injury but chances are we will need that 10th OL...and I'd rather have a capable player, like Anderson, to help protect our Franchise QB. Not to mention Anderson likely is competing next year for a starter role, perhaps, or top backup. Roll with Klein on P/S and a few WRs (ie: Isabella, Shavers, Johnson). And see what happens come week 5/etc, when IR guys and Von are eligible. Chances are, we will have 1-2 other guys battling through multi-week injuries. OR best case, we have a healthy problem. 2 Quote
Not at the table Karlos Posted August 30, 2023 Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Since1981 said: It strikes me as disturbing that we can see Beane dealing so heavy with Giants and Carolina. 29 other teams. Suggests an awful blinders situation for seeing the entire league. WE shouldn’t be able to pinpoint ANY trends like that!! Why? Beane was in Carolina for a while. As we get farther away from his time there we will most likely see less players from there but he was a part of building the Panthers so he knows and likes some of the players. The Giants have a lot of our former front office guys and coaches. They most likely look for similar qualities as the Bills. Not that difficult to understand why we pick up players from these teams or the other way around. Happens everywhere sports or not. Edited August 30, 2023 by Not at the table Karlos Quote
Haslett_Stomp Posted August 30, 2023 Posted August 30, 2023 43 minutes ago, without a drought said: I don't think Beane knows that teams like Seattle, Chicago and Atlanta exist. I'm done with this team. He knows where Minnesota is... 1 Quote
Don Otreply Posted August 30, 2023 Posted August 30, 2023 53 minutes ago, gordong said: that because they want 53 all pro's, when it just doesn't work that way There are a hand full of quite vocal posters here that think fantasy/Madden is how real football works, it’s not worth trying to explain things to them, it’s similar to dealing with DK syndrome folk. 3 Quote
Coldfronts Posted August 30, 2023 Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) I guess all the summer splash is gone. The best we can hope for is to kick the tire on a retread. Edited August 30, 2023 by Coldfronts 1 Quote
nucci Posted August 30, 2023 Posted August 30, 2023 13 hours ago, balln said: My god. Enough with Carolina Seattle, Chicago and Atlanta Quote
balln Posted August 30, 2023 Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) 42 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I can bash Beane as much as the next guy, but from what we’ve seen Torrence appears to be the real deal at RG. Let’s hope it’s true. We said same thing for Cody ford as rookie and Spencer brown No excuse for not picking creed Humphrey all pro player over Basham. That’s on beane and McD . Either being too rigid on “scheme fit” - that argument falls by wayside w elam pick. Or just too damn favorable to defense over offense Edited August 30, 2023 by balln 1 1 1 Quote
Captain Hindsight Posted August 30, 2023 Posted August 30, 2023 42 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I can bash Beane as much as the next guy, but from what we’ve seen Torrence appears to be the real deal at RG. Let’s hope it’s true. I told my brother I want a mean blocker with a big ass and Torrence fits that description perfectly 1 Quote
nucci Posted August 30, 2023 Posted August 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, balln said: We said same thing for Cody ford as rookie and Spencer brown No excuse for not picking creed Humphrey all pro player over Basham. That’s on beane and McD . Either being too rigid on “scheme fit” - that argument falls by wayside w elam pick. Or just too damn favorable to defense over offense I think that's McDermott's call Quote
finn Posted August 30, 2023 Posted August 30, 2023 12 hours ago, BigAl2526 said: A reliable veteran backup would be a relief. I feel a lot better about this team now. RT was a gaping hole in the roster. A very questionable starter at RT and only inexperienced (though promising) backups. It looks just fine now. Brown may end up improving, but if he's injured (again) and inconsistent (again), we now have two layers of replacements. So now I can confine my fretting to MLB and backup QB. 1 Quote
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