Boogie traded to Giants

[Roundybout]

16 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Yea… a Crowder injury was sooo surprising. 
 

come on man. Try harder. 

Im trying to figure out how taking flyers on former high picks - exactly what one is supposed to do in free agency - is somehow a bad thing 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I didn't even have a 2nd on Boogie. He went a full round before I had him graded. He did get some first round buzz in some quarters... I just never saw how he won at the NFL level. He only won in college by being a full grown 24 year old man mauling teenage boys. Limited speed. No bend. Bad hand usage. Poor technique. No rush moves. 

Me 2 I gave him a late 3rd / 4th rd grade! Absolutely horrible pick especially since we used our previous 2 high pks on the same position at DE. Horrible resource allocation McBeane is one of the worst in the league at drafting they hit a bunch of singles not much homers ! 

[Royale with Cheese]

10 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

His 2019 off-season was good… everything in between not so much… I mean the list is long:

 

Star Loulazylaz, Quinton Jefferson, OJ Howard, Trent Murphy, Vontae “im retiring at halftime” Davis, Saffold, Crowder, Vernon Butler, Josh Norman… even the Settle contract is ridiculous given his production.

 

The misses are FAR greater than the hits in FA… and Sam Martin?… you know it’s true when your putting a punter on your list as a positive.😅

 

Geezus you are so attracted to negativity it's amazing.

 

Every team, and I mean every team has a lot of swings and misses in the draft and FA.  Even Super Bowl Champs...even the dynasty Pats.

But you focus on every negative you can and try to hold it up like a shiny object.  You don't focus on a 53 man team, you focus on any miss.

 

Fact is this roster of 53 that he built has has the second most wins in the NFL in the last 3-4 years, only behind the Chiefs.  

And no, it's not only Josh Allen.  If you don't have a good team, even with a great QB, you aren't winning.  You become the Saints when Brees was their QB who missed the playoffs like 5 times in a weak NFC?  Matthew Stafford in Detroit.  

 

You talk as if Beane is a bottom dwelling GM.  

[Chaos]

13 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

I don’t see why it would as long as we keep winning double digit games and contend for a SB.

Final 8 is a bit short of “contending for the Super Bowl”

[ColoradoBills]

6 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

It was a forgone conclusion we would keep Shaq as a body while Von is on PUP, then he’s either PS or gone.  We had one to trade.  It was either Boogie or Epenesa.

 

We weren’t going to keep both as we most likely keep 5 interior.

 

So Beane has been working the angles for what he can get back for either and which one is he is easier to trade.  I’m not surprised by the trade, but disappointed Beane couldn’t have gotten something higher or a player.  It didn’t happen.

 

Its not a great situation, but Basham did flash at times, had 4.5 sacks last year, and was ok for a 2nd.

 

I guess that is up to Poona Ford making the team or not.  He hasn't exactly torn it up this summer.

[Airseven]

7 minutes ago, Coldfronts said:

Nothing a late round swap. The bills got shafted

 

Shafted how? Basham is worthless. Much like a lot of the Bills "depth."

[BillsfaninChicago]

1 minute ago, Chaos said:

Final 8 is a bit short of “contending for the Super Bowl”

Back in the drought era anything above 7-9 was considered Super Bowl contention. At least we are moving in the right direction. 

[1997WS6]

2 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

 

For a moment ponder what the Bills would look like and what the prevailing opinion of McDermott and Beane would be had the Browns or Jets selected Allen in that draft. 

For a moment ponder what the Bills would look like and what the prevailing opinion of McDermott and Beane would be had they selected Josh Rosen in that draft. Like nearly everyone wanted them to.

[Buffalo Super Fan]

2 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

When is Beane going to be held accountable?

When the Buffalo Bills don’t make the playoffs is when both Sean McDermott and Brandon Beane will be held accountable by the Bills fans. Now being held accountable by the Bills owner Terry Pegula is another story all together when it comes to things like this. So add a couple more years to that. That will be when both McDermott and Beane are held accountable by the Bills owner. So hypothetically 2023 plus two years for Howard Hughes like Terry Pegula so 2025 at the earliest by using hypothetically formula I came up with in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

Edited August 29, 2023 by I am leaving for good

[Warriorspikes51]

8 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I guess that is up to Poona Ford making the team or not.  He hasn't exactly torn it up this summer.

Poona Ford has actually proven himself.  I think we keep 5 DT's and 5 DE's to start. 

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Poona Ford has actually proven himself.  I think we keep 5 DT's and 5 DE's to start. 

 

I guess I just didn't hear much about him.  I'm just not a fan of 10 DL.  9 is more to my liking.

[folz]

2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Last year the Jets drafted two All Pros in Round 1 and the Bills drafted a 4th string corner.  Allen is saving Beane's job right now.

 

You guys are just getting ridiculous now.

 

The Jets had three 1st round picks that year. #4 Overall, #10 Overall, and #26 Overall.

The Bills had one first round pick. #23 Overall.

 

A lot easier (better odds) to pick All-Pros when you have more picks (and 2 in the top 10), rather than picking 23rd. Are you seriously trying to intimate that if the roles were reversed, the Jets would have picked a stud/All-Pro at 23 and Beane would have nabbed three busts at 4, 10, and 26? 

 

If you guys actually took your "realist" blinders off and looked around the league, you'd see that other teams make mistakes too and that overall Beane has done a great job. We have a very talented team...it isn't just Josh Allen on his own (the new battle cry). I have no problem with people criticizing particular moves or players (like drafting Boogie or whatever), but the exaggeration of the so called "realists" has now placed you guys further into fantasy land than any Bills Homer.

[John from Riverside]

16 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Final 8 is a bit short of “contending for the Super Bowl”

There are 32 teams in the league
If you finish eighth, while winning your division you had a good year

Just now, John from Riverside said:

There are 32 teams in the league
If you finish eighth, while winning your division you had a good year

I mean they’re drafting well, but they’re also getting better at bats because they missed the playoffs every year

 

 

[SCBills]

Just now, 1997WS6 said:

For a moment ponder what the Bills would look like and what the prevailing opinion of McDermott and Beane would be had they selected Josh Rosen in that draft. Like nearly everyone wanted them to.

 

They didn't though..

 

So much of a GM/HC success is based off hitting on a QB.  

 

Hit on a QB, and then all of a sudden the owner is willing to spend... build a contender and all of a sudden talented vet FA's are willing to sign for a bit less to play on your team... and so on...

 

If Beane didn't hit on Josh Allen, I highly doubt he or McDermott are still here.   And that's not an indictment on them.. it's just how it works.  

 

It's why Douglas/Salah really need Rodgers to work out, because they already blew it with Zack Wilson, despite all the other strong picks/decisions. 

[finn]

Just to be clear, Beane passed on Creed Humphrey, who was ALL PRO last year, to take a guy he's giving away for a box of tape. In 2025. 

 

Wow. 

 

 

[RyanC883]

48 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

And if Cleveland or Jets take Allen then Beane would have been out of a job last year. 

He got partially lucky drafting Allen. 

Since then he has pissed away several picks moving up for guys. His success rate is no better than average. If Elam is a bust he really starts to look bad. 

Can't miss on this many high round guys and stay competitive.  Oliver isn't even that good. Better hope Rousseau is a double digit sack guy this year. 

That said Kincaid and Torrence look good so far this year and maybe he found a late round gem in Bedford.

Just really hurts to invest this much into awful DL players. AJE probably doesn't even make the roster of a quarter of the NFL teams. 

Elam and Basham were the same mistake: chasing position of need over best football player available for your team.  

[John from Riverside]

4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

There are 32 teams in the league
If you finish eighth, while winning your division you had a good year

I mean they’re drafting well, but they’re also getting better at bats because they missed the playoffs every year

 

 

Ryan exactly what did I say that you didn’t agree with

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

 

If Beane didn't hit on Josh Allen, I highly doubt he or McDermott are still here.   And that's not an indictment on them.. it's just how it works.  

 

Depends by how much they didn't hit, right? If they ended up with Rosen they are gone. I think if they had drafted Baker Mayfield they'd have made a couple more playoff appearances in a down AFC East post Brady. Would that have been enough to keep them in the job until now.... that is the question. If they'd made it twice in the past four seasons 2019-2022, rather than four times, and been bounced in the first round both times, I suspect they'd be gone.... but only just. 

[Success]

2 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

I like Beane... but I will say that the early round trash pile has been growing around this team, and they need to start getting some mileage out of some of these guys or they will lose ground

 

Same.  And he certainly nails a lot of other picks, with particular luck in the later rounds.  

 

But we're at a point now w/ Allen's contract kicking in that early round misses are less acceptable.  There will always be misses - that's the draft.  But if you want to stay around as a top contender, they have to b rare.

 

[4merper4mer]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Please lay out the conspiracy theory that the Bills were somehow using Carolina's draft board and Beane, who was not close to being employed by the Bills yet, was feeding another team info. Because the Panthers would have already taken this up with the NFL and the Bills would have lost draft picks if even a WHIFF of this nonsense was true.

Lol are you for real?  Are you aware that a guy name Sean McDermott was already employed by the Bills?  Te GM drafts, not the HC, you say?  So Rex didn’t draft Reggie Ragland and Adolphus Washington?  That was Whaley too?  

Is your real name Philip Barbay?