Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Just now, mrags said: the argument isn’t that people thought he would be bad. The argument is they were first round picks that were useless in the NFL. Wasn't my argument, sorry for any confusion. My opinion: People over-rate Oliver, including this FO. I mean they signed the guy to another contract when he clearly didn't earn one. 2 minutes ago, Success said: Not living up to his draft position doesn't = not being an impactful player. He's a good, solid player. He's not a star. I look at other DTs from his draft class and tend to disagree with your opinion. He's an average, undersized and underwhelming DT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Just now, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Wasn't my argument, sorry for any confusion. My opinion: People over-rate Oliver, including this FO. I mean they signed the guy to another contract when he clearly didn't earn one. This I 100% agree with. I’ve never really been a huge fan of Edmunds. Especially for the contract he got. But honestly I’d rather have Edmunds at his contract and let Oliver go than the route we took. But everyone wants to give Beane and McDermott so much praise they can’t be wrong right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 1 minute ago, mrags said: This I 100% agree with. I’ve never really been a huge fan of Edmunds. Especially for the contract he got. But honestly I’d rather have Edmunds at his contract and let Oliver go than the route we took. But everyone wants to give Beane and McDermott so much praise they can’t be wrong right. Exactly, for as much as people here over-rate oliver, they under-rate Edmunds. Now that he's gone, everyone's knickers are twisted up about the MLB position. Would have been better off giving Ed's money to Edmunds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: I look at other DTs from his draft class and tend to disagree with your opinion. He's an average, undersized and underwhelming DT. Not an unfair take. But I think he's ranked in the top half at his position (not great, but solid), and one thing I noticed is that he was much more impactful when Von was playing. Which isn't a great quality for a player to have. You want a guy who makes his own mark. But when he has good players around him, he makes impact plays. He gets more than his share of TFL's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Exactly, for as much as people here over-rate oliver, they under-rate Edmunds. Now that he's gone, everyone's knickers are twisted up about the MLB position. Would have been better off giving Ed's money to Edmunds. There's a wide range of possibilities between re-sign Edmunds to a cap crippling contract and draft two OLB's to compete with backup MLB's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, SCBills said: There's a wide range of possibilities between re-sign Edmunds to a cap crippling contract and draft two OLB's to compete with backup MLB's. I'm confused. Is our cap not already crippled? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Brand J Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Just now, BuffaloBillyG said: Not at all surprised. Hopefully they get something decent in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 1 minute ago, JayBaller10 said: Not at all surprised. Hopefully they get something decent in return. It's gonna be like a 6th that can turn into a 5th based on playing time, I bet. The "we could've had Creed Humphrey!" takes will never die... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted August 29, 2023 Author Share Posted August 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Looks like Sal was correct sad trombone for all that thought otherwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: Not at all surprised. Hopefully they get something decent in return. Late round pick swap is the early rumor. Looks like we just gave him away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Beane has been throwing his 2nd round picks in the garbage since he took over as GM. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Any good mlb depth on GMen? Fingers crossed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 22 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Exactly, for as much as people here over-rate oliver, they under-rate Edmunds. Now that he's gone, everyone's knickers are twisted up about the MLB position. Would have been better off giving Ed's money to Edmunds. I can’t stand Edmunds. But I agree I’d rather have him at the contract he got than Ed with the contract he got. people will be in a tizzy about it but that’s on Beane and McD for not addressing the position properly. The undersized and underweight LBs they over drafted the last 2 years are not the problem. The FO and coaching staff thinking they could take Uber as MLB however is the problem. I hope either one of them prove me wrong but I’m betting it won’t happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, mrags said: I can’t stand Edmunds. But I agree I’d rather have him at the contract he got than Ed with the contract he got. people will be in a tizzy about it but that’s on Beane and McD for not addressing the position properly. The undersized and underweight LBs they over drafted the last 2 years are not the problem. The FO and coaching staff thinking they could take Uber as MLB however is the problem. I hope either one of them prove me wrong but I’m betting it won’t happen. Noooo… I want NO part of Edmunds at the contract he got versus Oliver at his, even if Oliver is a rotational DL. I’ve seen Eddie O take over games, albeit not many, but he has. Edmunds has had 1 game where I felt like he was all over the place. Oliver is better at his job than Edmunds was at his and is cheaper. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 4 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: Noooo… I want NO part of Edmunds at the contract he got versus Oliver at his, even if Oliver is a rotational DL. I’ve seen Eddie O take over games, albeit not many, but he has. Edmunds has had 1 game where I felt like he was all over the place. Oliver is better at his job than Edmunds was at his and is cheaper. I shouldn’t have to say it because I’m pretty sure my dislike for them has been noted here. but I can’t stand either of them. With that said I think MLB is more important and harder to find than DT. I’d go with the importance of the position in this case. But again, I can’t stand either of them. The EO pick made me ill and Edmunds I was excited about and has all the talent in the world but just Cabrera put it together. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 1 minute ago, mrags said: I shouldn’t have to say it because I’m pretty sure my dislike for them has been noted here. but I can’t stand either of them. With that said I think MLB is more important and harder to find than DT. I’d go with the importance of the position in this case. But again, I can’t stand either of them. The EO pick made me ill and Edmunds I was excited about and has all the talent in the world but just Cabrera put it together. No GM views MLB as more important than DT.. except for maybe the Ravens and Bears. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, mrags said: I shouldn’t have to say it because I’m pretty sure my dislike for them has been noted here. but I can’t stand either of them. With that said I think MLB is more important and harder to find than DT. I’d go with the importance of the position in this case. But again, I can’t stand either of them. The EO pick made me ill and Edmunds I was excited about and has all the talent in the world but just Cabrera put it together. Lol if the opposite signing was made you’d have the opposite opinion. It’s so easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 1 minute ago, mrags said: I shouldn’t have to say it because I’m pretty sure my dislike for them has been noted here. but I can’t stand either of them. With that said I think MLB is more important and harder to find than DT. I’d go with the importance of the position in this case. But again, I can’t stand either of them. The EO pick made me ill and Edmunds I was excited about and has all the talent in the world but just Cabrera put it together. I think the inverse is true actually, which is also why top DTs get paid more than top MLBs. There’s no faster path to the QB than inside, so if you get a good one, they’re gonna get paid. I think Eddie O is a good player, just too inconsistent. He has too many games where he disappears and you wonder if he’s even playing. When he’s on, he’s on, but we need to see it more often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 10 minutes ago, mrags said: I shouldn’t have to say it because I’m pretty sure my dislike for them has been noted here. but I can’t stand either of them. With that said I think MLB is more important and harder to find than DT. I’d go with the importance of the position in this case. But again, I can’t stand either of them. The EO pick made me ill and Edmunds I was excited about and has all the talent in the world but just Cabrera put it together. An off the ball linebacker who doesn't get to the QB is not more important or harder to find than a DT. We have seen DT's go #1 overall in the draft because they can wreck a game plan faster than anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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