Beane concerned with Kyle Allen?

[LabattBlue]

What bizarro world am I living in when there is a ferocious debate about PJ Walker vs Kyle Allen 😂😂😂

[Buffalo_Stampede]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I won't. Don't you hide if Kyle is utter trash either. 

You’re missing the whole point, I already know that. Most backups are trash, unknowns, former starters turned expensive backup.

 

To sit here and argue for the Bills to cut Kyle Allen for PJ Walker though is comical. I originally thought you were arguing for Keenum.

 

 

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

He’s also 4-3 as a starter while playing for a bad team.  

 

Kyle Allen is 2-12 in his last 14 starts.  
 

 

Oh my goodness.

[TheBrownBear]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

You just want anyone different. Remember we didn’t particularly like Keenum last year in camp and preseason either. 

They signed Kyle Allen to backup. What exactly has changed? His previous starting game film hasn’t changed.

 

 

At the end of the day, you need a guy who can protect the football and run the offense.  If Kyle Allen isn't showing a basic ability to understand the concepts and get beyond a single read this many weeks in, that is very concerning.  As far as his past stats or good play, that was some years ago now.  He was terrible in the two games he started for Houston last season.  The only thing he has going for him is youth.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

6 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

At the end of the day, you need a guy who can protect the football and run the offense.  If Kyle Allen isn't showing a basic ability to understand the concepts and get beyond a single read this many weeks in, that is very concerning.  As far as his past stats or good play, that was some years ago now.  He was terrible in the two games he started for Houston last season.  The only thing he has going for him is youth.

We knew everything about Kyle Allen before signing him as a backup! 
 

Fans take preseason too seriously. If there’s a proven veteran upgrade then bring in the upgrade.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Forget about those bums !

 

Let's get TYROD !!

[TheBrownBear]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

We knew everything about Kyle Allen before signing him as a backup! 
 

Fans take preseason too seriously. If there’s a proven veteran upgrade then bring in the upgrade.

Honestly, I never liked the signing from the get go.  I admittedly didn't catch his early career peak with the Panthers, but I did happen to watch him last year with Houston and he looked clueless back there.  You could put pretty much any QB who has seen NFL action in there to produce at or above current Kyle Allen level.  I'm not sweating it too much, we do have bigger issues like MLB, but we will all be sweating it if Josh suffers the type of injury that keeps you out for a few weeks.

[C.Biscuit97]

2 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Just reading this thread.  I think you're right.  I was stunned that they were looking at Lance; he just doesn't seem like a fit, although I suppose he's sort of like the Trubisky case.  But the fact that they were looking is what is telling.  

 

Still, I'd think that they don't want to give up on Kyle as the long-term backup.  He has the basic skills, and as has been said, Keenum didn't jump right in and pick it all up at once, either.  

 

We'll know in a day or two.  

Lance seems like the perfect fit. I believe he was even compared to Allen coming out. He would have been the perfect development guy behind Allen.

2 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Forget about those bums !

 

Let's get TYROD !!

I was so out on Tyrod as a starter but he would be the perfect backup behind Allen. He may not win games himself but he certainly won’t be the reason you lose. 
 

can’t see the giants letting him go though. 

[C.Biscuit97]

23 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

What bizarro world am I living in when there is a ferocious debate about PJ Walker vs Kyle Allen 😂😂😂

Do you prefer Losman vs Holcomb? Or talking up Jeff Tuel???

 

at least it’s for backup! We have come a long way. The amount of time I wasted debating that 😂 

[TheBrownBear]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

Do you prefer Losman vs Holcomb? Or talking up Jeff Tuel???

 

at least it’s for backup! We have come a long way. The amount of time I wasted debating that 😂 

I really thought Jeff Tuel had what it took to be our next Jim Kelly there for about one half against the Chiefs.

[MJS]

2 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Kyle Allen isn't totally incompetent. You'd hope to go 2-1, might go 1-2. But the reason he has a job is because you really want to avoid bringing in the total replacement level guy who is likely to go 0-3.

I disagree. I don't think he has the ability to win you any games, personally. That's the problem.

[GunnerBill]

43 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

You’re missing the whole point, I already know that. Most backups are trash, unknowns, former starters turned expensive backup.

 

To sit here and argue for the Bills to cut Kyle Allen for PJ Walker though is comical. I originally thought you were arguing for Keenum.

 

 

 

I am arguing for Keenum. But I am arguing for trying anything better than Kyle Allen. And there is lots of that. I don't think PJ Walker is good, just like you don't think Kyle is good. 

 

I think one might have a better chance than the other of moving the ball on this team.

Edited August 28, 2023 by GunnerBill

[ColoradoBills]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

Let's be real...unless you have the cap space for a high end backup, you are going to struggle to win games if QB1 goes down.  Most teams that have that type of cap space for a high end back up have their starter on a rookie deal or the starter isn't very good so if he struggles they can turn to the high priced backup to hopefully come in and give them a boost for a few games.

 

 

Agree about the cap hit for a team like the Bills.

 

Personally, I was happy the Bills signed Kyle Allen for $1.1M and I really thought he would be a decent fit for the backup job.

From what I have seen, he's been a pretty big disappointment.  Add to that, it's seems to me that Matt Barkley bring nothing to that role too.

 

One of them HAS to go and a plan to rotate these guys out and bring in some others seems justifiable.  Of course, the guys they bring in

for the $1M to $1.5M might not be any better, but when it comes to younger backups you just never know.  I'd rather go that route looking

for another Purdy than what they seem to have now.

[DCofNC]

3 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

I just don't buy this.  The reality is that as soon as McDermott is addressing the team following a J Allen injury, McDermott is telling everyone on the team they have to step it.   He's telling Dorsey, "you MUST have a game plan that protects Kyle Allen.  He needs easy reads, easy throws, etc.  You MUST have a running game."   He's telling the DC (hah!), "you CANNOT give up more than 15 points this week."   And all of those messages are getting passed down through the lines of communication. 

 

His message is "complementary football," and when one guy goes down, someone else has to step up.   He has built his team to respond to challenges.   Josh is down for three weeks, McDermott is preparing his team to win three games, and his team will respond.  May not win three, but they will not roll over.  

 

So, I just don't think the world will end if Kyle Allen is playing QB.  Guys have to step up.   

 

J Allen out for 6-8 games, it's a different story.  But chances are very slim that any backup is replacing Josh for half a season and the team keeps winning.

I don’t think they would “give up” per se.  The thing is Allen IS the offense. Aside from Diggs, it can be argued there isn’t another starting WR on this roster.  Davis is ok, but he’s really a 3, his numbers lie a bit because of volume, but he’s not a legit 2.  The rest of the WRs are JAGs, nothing more.   Unless Kindcaid has an exceptional rookie season, which we hope for, there’s nobody on this team that anybody has to scheme against.   Take away Allen and plug in a bottom 15 starting QB, you have a sub .500 club.  
 

Every team has a plan to beat the Bills with Allen, without him hiding the deficiencies, it’s going to be Very tough to win.   The defense is ok, but if teams know they don’t have to worry about Allen dropping 30 on them, they can just play power ball, work the middle of the field and destroy the obvious weaknesses.  Hell the Pats didn’t even have to throw to beat them when Allen struggled in the elements.

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

I disagree. I don't think he has the ability to win you any games, personally. That's the problem.

He's 7-12 as a starter

[That's No Moon]

1 hour ago, TheBrownBear said:

I really thought Jeff Tuel had what it took to be our next Jim Kelly there for about one half against the Chiefs.

Has there ever been another QB to start one game, throw for 300 yards, and then never get another start?

[Gunsgoodtime]

2 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Forget about those bums !

 

Let's get TYROD !!

I would be all for this

[HappyDays]

Colt McCoy just became available. I would be all over this.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

Colt McCoy just became available. I would be all over this.

 

Yep. I'm in on Colt.

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

Colt McCoy just became available. I would be all over this.

36 years old,  career  79.9 rating   34 TD,  32 INT

Better than what we have 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Yep. I'm in on Colt.

He’s no PJ Walker.