The 2023 - ??? Edmunds Report

[Steptide]

59 minutes ago, Heitz said:

 

We're about to find out!    

Not saying we'll be better at the position, just that the drop-off won't be huge Imo 

[RunTheBall]

What’s the main Bears message board? I was trying to creep on some Edmunds talk but every site I tried was absolutely dead. Like Pats* fans without Brady dead

 

 

[Chaos]

12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I mean I wasn't doing that. I was just making the point that you don't draft a MLB early in this NFL unless that guy can cover. Because it is a passing match up league. 

Campbell was the top rated pass coverage LB in college in 2022.  And it seems like he was pretty good against Mahome too.  64.6 rating is pretty solid. Certainly better than 118. 


 

[Ray Finkel]

2 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Campbell was the top rated pass coverage LB in college in 2022.  And it seems like he was pretty good against Mahome too.  64.6 rating is pretty solid. Certainly better than 118. 


 

Beane and McDermott always said nice things about Tremaine but they didn’t sign him for a reason.  The tape doesn’t lie.

[Dopey]

3 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Campbell was the top rated pass coverage LB in college in 2022.  And it seems like he was pretty good against Mahome too.  64.6 rating is pretty solid. Certainly better than 118. 


 

I don’t recall Campbell having a hand in all those dropped passes. KC wins the game, if not for those drops and Mahomes’ rating would be much higher. 

[Shaw66]

27 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I will just point out that the second worst coverage grade on that list is the guy some Bills fans were adament we had to draft to replace Tremaine. I know, rookie, week 1, vs Chiefs... but those of us who were against the "draft Campbell in the first" or even "trade back and draft him early second" were saying he is gonna be on a steep learning curve in terms of his coverage skills in the NFL. I expect him to get better. I don't ever expect him to the worth the pick the Lions invested.

It's funny.  I paid very little attention to when Campbell was on the field, but one play stood out.   It was a nice, diving pass break up on a throw up the middle.  It was a more athletic play on the ball than we're accustomed to seeing from Edmunds.  Not that I'm drawing any conclusions about the guy, but it was a nice play.  

[Saint Doug]

2 hours ago, dorquemada said:

I absolutely love the bolded part

 

NO SERIOUSLY YOU GUYS IT'S WHAT HE'S NOT DOING THAT'S IMPORTANT, YOU JUST CANT SEE IT

Of course, the reason he wasn’t in on plays is because opposing players are so fearful of him, they run to where he’s not.

[Chaos]

2 minutes ago, Dopey said:

I don’t recall Campbell having a hand in all those dropped passes. KC wins the game, if not for those drops and Mahomes’ rating would be much higher. 

Fortunately we don't need your recollection, since we have the internet.  Only 3 passes were thrown near Campbell. This was one of them. 

https://www.detroitlions.com/video/highlight-campbell-shows-veteran-like-instincts-on-rookie-lb-s-diving-pbu

[Matt_In_NH]

Why a final thread when we can continue this forever. 

[Chaos]

7 minutes ago, Ray Finkel said:

Beane and McDermott always said nice things about Tremaine but they didn’t sign him for a reason.  The tape doesn’t lie.

They maybe didnt sign him for 74 million reasons. 

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Campbell was the top rated pass coverage LB in college in 2022.  And it seems like he was pretty good against Mahome too.  64.6 rating is pretty solid. Certainly better than 118. 


 

 

Again my point wasn't about Tremaine. It was about Campbell. He has a lot to learn in coverage. I like the kid. He can be a solid NFL player. But he is on a learning curve as a coverage 'backer which should have precluded him from being a top 20 pick.

[Chaos]

4 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

It's funny.  I paid very little attention to when Campbell was on the field, but one play stood out.   It was a nice, diving pass break up on a throw up the middle.  It was a more athletic play on the ball than we're accustomed to seeing from Edmunds.  Not that I'm drawing any conclusions about the guy, but it was a nice play.  

this is the play you are recalling:

https://www.detroitlions.com/video/highlight-campbell-shows-veteran-like-instincts-on-rookie-lb-s-diving-pbu

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Again my point wasn't about Tremaine. It was about Campbell. He has a lot to learn in coverage. I like the kid. He can be a solid NFL player. But he is on a learning curve as a coverage 'backer which should have precluded him from being a top 20 pick.

He had three passes thrown in his direction. Brilliant breakup on one of them.  He generated a 64.6 defensive passer rating.  Really not proof he has a big learning curve. 

[Sharky7337]

28 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

What’s the main Bears message board? I was trying to creep on some Edmunds talk but every site I tried was absolutely dead. Like Pats* fans without Brady dead

 

 

https://www.chicitysports.com/forum/threads/officail-fire-everyone-thread-bears-fans-only.95087/page-10#post-4251714

 

basically saying they miss roquan

 

"Edmunds so far (yeah only 1 week) appears to be a massive downgrade to roquan. Maybe it’s cause he didn’t practice, maybe he is just mediocre. Why spend all that money on him."

Edited September 11, 2023 by Sharky7337

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Chaos said:

this is the play you are recalling:

https://www.detroitlions.com/video/highlight-campbell-shows-veteran-like-instincts-on-rookie-lb-s-diving-pbu

He had three passes thrown in his direction. Brilliant breakup on one of them.  He generated a 64.6 defensive passer rating.  Really not proof he has a big learning curve. 

 

So you only pick the PFF stats u like? 

[Chaos]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

So you only pick the PFF stats u like? 

No. This is a thread about Tremaine Edmunds.  For some wierd reason you jumped into trash Jack Campbell (whom I don't give a ***** about one way or the other), and claimed his almost as bad of a rating as Edmunds is because he is not good at pass coverage.  So then I looked up the pass coverage stats, and saw that you had it completely backasswards.  He was good in pass coverage and sucked at other things.  

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 hour ago, 1onemangang7 said:

What in the wide wide world of sports is that avatar? Are you a Buffalo Lions fan or sumptin

And Browns fan too.😉 

[FireChans]

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

So you only pick the PFF stats u like? 

 

1 minute ago, Chaos said:

No. This is a thread about Tremaine Edmunds.  For some wierd reason you jumped into trash Jack Campbell (whom I don't give a ***** about one way or the other), and claimed his almost as bad of a rating as Edmunds is because he is not good at pass coverage.  So then I looked up the pass coverage stats, and saw that you had it completely backasswards.  He was good in pass coverage and sucked at other things.  

Can you both please stay on topic, we are trying to watch the Tremaine Edmunds disaster in Chicago.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 hour ago, Steptide said:

Honestly, this is why I'm not THAT worried about our middle linebacker position. I don't think we'll see a huge drop off. I do think the position needs to be addressed at some point, but I don't think it's as big a concern as alot of people think 

I think it will become very apparent early in this game that Bernard can not be a starter in the NFL.

 

By Week 3 Kirksey will be starting, if not sooner. 

[bobobonators]

At the end of the day folks, MLB does not win you championships in the NFL. This isnt 1985. 
 

1. QB

2. OL

 

3. DL

4. WR or vertical pass catching TE

 

QB is a no brainer. My 3 yr old knows this. OL is above all other positions bc of the importance of QB. You give an avg QB plenty of time to throw he’ll

be good; a good QB will be great; and a great QB will be unstoppable. 
 

Where is MLB (or non-pass rushing LB) on that pecking order? Damn near the bottom. Again, this isn’t 1985. 
 

I wish Edmunds the best he seems like a great person. Im glad we aren’t wasting precious cap money on him though. 

 

Edited September 11, 2023 by bobobonators

[Behindenemylines]

Missed a few tackles.  Missed a few gap coverages. Ran down a few backs that flew past him. Tackled a few guys from behind.  Made one good stop.

 

Good days work for 500k if you can get it.